Inter Marital Rape was just fine in 1981

Leftist · 03-01-2012 01:32PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Yes, quite correct. Indeed, there was one pharmacist in Portlaoise - a wizened little craw-thumping, altar-eating limp-dick Catholic, probably a member of Opus Dei or the Knights of Columbanus or some such organisation of Catholic zealots - who refused to sell them to my sister, whom he knew to be married. As far as I know, he just refused to sell them to everyone, despite the fact that his licence required him to serve the public in Ireland rather than the Protector of Paedophile Everywhere in Rome.:eek:

That bizarre law prompted amusement and/or bemusement in Britain and one journalist - from the Guardian, I think - mentioned it in an interview with that paragon of family values (when he wasn't shagging his mistress) Charles J. Haughey.

Haughey replied that it was "An Irish solution to an Irish problem".:rolleyes:

In the meantime, to the chagrin of those who would like to control our lives in the way they imagine the sky fairy wants them to, we have also found a solution to another Irish problem - abortion.

The name of that solution is "England". Eat your hearts out Holy Joes and Holy Auld Biddies - of whatever age!:rolleyes:

Well said.

You have people following those orders because they feel it proves they are irish. How can people be so stupid.

Scanlas The 2nd · 03-01-2012 01:36PM

It makes sense from a religious point of view( the mjor ones anyway) that marital rape is perfectly acceptable. The whole idea behind religion is to allow a man to work hard, earn property including women, make sure women don't have sex with other men ever so you know the babies are your own.

Rape is bad according to religion because it means another man has potentially had sex with another man's woman, that is unacceptable according to religion and powerbase at the time. Religion is about looking out for the man.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife.

Thous shalt not commit adultery.

Thous shalt not steal.

So basing laws on religion is insane and incredibly unfair to women.

Dudess · 03-01-2012 01:41PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol

Yeah, jokes aside, Ireland might still have backwards pockets but it's not a case of being as bad as 30 years ago once you step outside an urban area.
What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

smash · 03-01-2012 01:44PM

Dudess wrote: »

What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

Capt'n Midnight · 03-01-2012 01:45PM

For women who weren't married the Magdalene asylums ran until 1996. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/world/europe/25iht-abuse25.html?_r=4

In the old days you could have an elderly relative signed in to a mental asylum if you got a priest and doctor to countersign the form (or did you just need one + family member ?) Very handy if the relative stood in the way of you owning their farm , plus you didn't have to support them.

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 01:48PM

I know a family who signed their 2 brothers in to the local mental hospital because they were intellectually disabled wtf like their sister got the house

number10a · 03-01-2012 01:48PM

goose2005 wrote: »

When he said "a city", he meant Dublin. Cork city is just a big village.

If he meant a specific city, he would have said the city. A city implies he was being ambiguous as he could have been referring to any of our cities. Get back to your English grammar book and look up articles.

And while you're at it, Cork, a city of 200,000, is a city by the standards of any country in Europe (even Germany, with its 81m people), so it certainly is a city in a country of 4.5 million people. If you like looking down your nose on Ireland so much, you know where the airport is.

/off-topic

Should this not be intra-marital rape??

Inter-marital rape to me sounds like going around raping other people's wives rather than your own.

Dudess · 03-01-2012 01:51PM

smash wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Logical Fallacy · 03-01-2012 01:51PM

smash wrote: »

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

I'd dispute that. Can't say i noticed any more repression where i spent 17 years growing up that the assorted cities I spent the last 13 years living and working in.

Would be interested to see you post some examples though as i am always open to changing my mind in the face of well reasoned points.

smash · 03-01-2012 01:53PM

Dudess wrote: »

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Dudess · 03-01-2012 01:56PM

smash wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Could you give examples?

That person meant some people in Cork have that attitude, plenty do in Dublin too - older generations and such. I live in Cork - it's not repressed.

Leftist · 03-01-2012 01:57PM

smash wrote: »

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Frightening.

I went to Christmas day mass (for the sake of someone else) in Dublin this year. Boom: half empty. Great to see. This is a small church in a big village.

You go out of dublin and every service is packed out. It's sick. They think it's a positive though.

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 01:57PM

We still do have a improvement on 30 yrs ago, but there are niggly little bits and education and people being less ignorant can improve them

number10a · 03-01-2012 01:58PM

smash wrote: »

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

It's not actually very repressed at all. I'm openly gay, living back home again for a few months, in a very small town in West Cork, and no one has taken issue at all with it since a few mindless comments were passed in secondary school. I'm 25 now. For a few years in college, I worked in a typical culchie-land pub at weekends. All the customers knew, and no one gave a shìt. You want to talk about repression and backwardness, just have a look at what happens at Gay Pride Marches in Warsaw, Vilnius or Belgrade. Ireland will look like Utopia to you then.

I'm with Dudess on this one, there are just some people who love to go on and on about the backwardness, closed-mindedness and Holy-Catholic-Ireland shìte which thankfully, quite some time ago, went into a coma (I will concede that it's not dead yet).

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 02:01PM

Leftist wrote: »

smash wrote: »

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Frightening.

I went to Christmas day mass (for the sake of someone else) in Dublin this year. Boom: half empty. Great to see. This is a small church in a big village.

You go out of dublin and every service is packed out. It's sick. They think it's a positive though.

Never please someone else
The hell I had with the old dear over No 1 not making her communion

Dudess · 03-01-2012 02:03PM

pickarooney wrote: »

We should bomb that time out of existence!

No way - ant music ftw!

Motorist · 03-01-2012 02:08PM

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

44leto · 03-01-2012 02:12PM

Ireland is still in need of more progressive legislation. There are still issues with gay marriage and people in their 1000s still have to go abroad to have an abortion.

Motorist · 03-01-2012 02:13PM

44leto wrote: »

Ireland is still in need of more progressive legislation. There are still issues with gay marriage and people in their 1000s still have to go abroad to have an abortion.

Gay marriage requires a referendum.

Jaxxy · 03-01-2012 02:14PM

Motorist wrote: »

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

It's lack of education IMO, it was a problem thirty years ago, it's still a problem now.

Dudess · 03-01-2012 02:14PM

44leto wrote: »

people in their 1000s still have to go abroad to have an abortion.

In fairness, they're too old to be having babies anyway.

44leto · 03-01-2012 02:15PM

Motorist wrote: »

Gay marriage requires a referendum.

So did divorce and so would the legalisation of abortion. What is your point?

old hippy · 03-01-2012 02:16PM

Motorist wrote: »

Gay marriage requires a referendum.

Not long now

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 02:18PM

Motorist wrote: »

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

It's also great that you don't have to stay in an abusive relationship for fear of your husband do me a big favour do done research on your topic

Motorist · 03-01-2012 02:18PM

44leto wrote: »

So did divorce and so would the legalisation of abortion. What is your point?

Just that the constitution would have to be changed first before government could be lobbied to produce legislation, or it tested in the courts. I think Enda Kenny mentioned a few referendums coming up last week (eurozone debt crisis, Presidential election process and gay marriage).

Leftist · 03-01-2012 02:21PM

Motorist wrote: »

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

35% reduction in teenage pregnancies in Ireland in the last ten years.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=19411

nice try though.

Motorist · 03-01-2012 02:24PM

Leftist wrote: »

35% reduction in teenage pregnancies in Ireland in the last ten years.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=19411

nice try though.

Ten years ago was 2001. Aren't we talking about 1981?

And the point was not about teenage pregnancy. Nice try for trying to compartmentalise and misrepresent it though. While the modern age is an improvement, it's no Utopia.

Son Of A Vidic · 03-01-2012 02:24PM

smash wrote: »

The sooner the people with these kinds of beliefs die off, the better! You'd assume it's heading that way but when you step outside a city in Ireland you see just how backwards the place still is.

You don't even need to step outside of a city to see how backward some still are.

44leto · 03-01-2012 02:24PM

Motorist wrote: »

Just that the constitution would have to be changed first before government could be lobbied to produce legislation, or it tested in the courts. I think Enda Kenny mentioned a few referendums coming up last week (eurozone debt crisis, Presidential election process and gay marriage).

Yeah
Your post reminds of another whole area where Ireland really needs reform and that is the constitution, rip it up and start again is what I say.

But this is not the thread for that debate.

Logical Fallacy · 03-01-2012 02:25PM

Leftist wrote: »

Frightening.

I went to Christmas day mass (for the sake of someone else) in Dublin this year. Boom: half empty. Great to see. This is a small church in a big village.

You go out of dublin and every service is packed out. It's sick. They think it's a positive though.

I find it hilarious that you, who were made to go to a service you have no spiritual investment in don't see that in that circumstance you are the one being repressed.

Also, i am wondering how you know so much about the levels of attendance for other services you were not at?

There is potential for a decent discussion here based on Smash's comment (which he has still failed to expand upon and offer decent examples of ) if people actually want to have a decent look at the issue instead of just trying to make themselves feel better about bowing down to someone and pay lip service to the Church. Which, no offence, you did.

Inter Marital Rape was just fine in 1981

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