NFL DRAFT 2012

TimThomas

HigginsJ wrote: »

agree with Neilster on this. The amount of s**t these guys get themselves into boggles the mind but they will sweep DUI under the carpet. Is this his 1st "infraction" if so you could almost write it off as stupidity

They do it because they don't care about getting caught as they know NFL teams will still take a punt on their talents. But the NFL are about giving 2nd chances these days so why not be stupid when you have the talent. If the kid has the potential to make you money he is worth the risk.

OAOB

It will end up being a very expensive few beers for the amount of hassle it will cost him, you think they'd keep their head screwed on for a few more weeks

HigginsJ

OAOB wrote: »

It will end up being a very expensive few beers for the amount of hassle it will cost him, you think they'd keep their head screwed on for a few more weeks

If Janoris Jenkins can get away with fighting/resisting arrest, 2 drug possesion charges, and generally being a twat and still be a 1st round pick (for the Bengals who else) then Orson Charles's DUI shouldn't affect his draft stock too much

JaMarcus Hustle

It's less what he did, more the timing of it that will bother teams. That's ignoring the fact his pro day this week was awful. His stock will take a hit, but not too much because up to this point he actually has quite an impressive list of personal accolades. It's just a very stupid thing to do at the most stupid time possible for him.

UnitedIrishman

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

It's less what he did, more the timing of it that will bother teams. That's ignoring the fact his pro day this week was awful. His stock will take a hit, but not too much because up to this point he actually has quite an impressive list of personal accolades. It's just a very stupid thing to do at the most stupid time possible for him.

That's exactly it. Teams will look at it and say 'can we rely on him to keep his head down before key games, if he does this a month before the biggest moment of his career? Does he care all that much?'. Well I'm sure he does care, but he's going to take a hit in his first rookie contract as a result. There's a lot to be said for locking a player away for a month after the combine and letting them have a party the day of the draft!

Wonder what the offence per player ratio is at this stage and how does it fair against the general population in the US? It's actually amazing the amount of players getting arrested for DUI, drugs, assault etc.

Paully D

Could RGIII refuse to play for the Browns, which is what I've read Eli Manning did with the Chargers when he was drafted?

JaMarcus Hustle

He could refuse to sign his contract but he'd have to sit out the year and re-enter next year's draft. That's too big of a financial risk for the player (refusing to play, your stock inevitably takes a big hit). Or the Browns could trade him like what happened with Manning. Eli said he'd never play for San Diego so they arranged a trade with the Giants. The Chargers draft Eli, waited for the Giants to draft Philip Rivers, then they traded players and the Chargers got a few extra picks too (which turned into Merriman and Kaeding).

Regardless, it very rarely happens and I can't envisage a scenario where RG3 refuses to play for Cleveland. That's because he's going to Washington

kmart6

No I don't think he'd be able to really! With Eli it was different, he was the No.1 pick so it was easier to do, he had control of it by stating he wouldn't play for the Chargers before evy thing, which allowed them to get a deal in place with the Giants that they'd draft Rivers and then 2 additional picks they'd give the Chargers!

With RG3,it's different as everyone knows the Rams are going to trade him, but he doesn't know where so can't demand anything, and it's not something that would be sorted out on draft night, would leave things too tight!

kmart6

Well here we have it, RG3 is now Washington's!

Jay Glazer wrote:

Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks.

Surprised they've come to an agreement so early but it must have been the best deal the Rams felt they could get! Pretty great deal for the Rams in fairness, only dropping a few spots this year, 2 what will prob be mid round first rounders and whatever the additional ones are!

Won't be seeing Luck-v-RG3 this season though, looking at some projections the earliest will be 2014, but that's all guess work!!

Syferus

Ouch, three first rounders and change. They're mortgaging the farm on RG3, at least he's an exceptional talent.

mikemac1

2012: 1.6, and 2.39
2013: 1st rounder
2014: 1st rounder

The future looks bright for St Louis

kmart6

Really don't see the point in this...

Adam Schefter wrote:

Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.

Syferus

Dan Synder must have got socked in the head or something, what's the point in mortgaging the next three seasons' worth of top-tier draft picks on RG3 to want to bench him for those three years for Peyton? Yikes.

kmart6

Well they're not going to get Peyton so it's not really relevant!

kmart6

Very good point...stupid fecking strength of schedule going in our favour!

Adam Schefter wrote:

If Colts finished with No. 2 - not No. 1 - pick, maybe could have kept Peyton and gotten same package Rams did. One spot changed everything.

Syferus

Dunno about that, the Rams would have been trade happy with the #1 pick too and that'd have diluted interest in the #2 pick. And it'd have been very, very dangerous for the Colts to not just draft RG3 in that scenario and forget about trying to get added value.

frostie500

Syferus wrote: »

Dan Synder must have got socked in the head or something, what's the point in mortgaging the next three seasons' worth of top-tier draft picks on RG3 to want to bench him for those three years for Peyton? Yikes.

If you think that you have found a QB in the draft that can lead your team for ten to 15 years no price is too high for him. Look at what the Giants traded away to get Eli Manning in 04 because they believed he could win them Superbowls. If the 'skins think Griffin can be the kind of player to lead them to success they had to pull the trigger. We've seen time and again that this is a QB driven league and it is impossible to have lasting success with anything less than a world class signal caller

frostie500

Just out of curiousity has any top two draft choices ever come into the league with more pressure on their shoulders?

kmart6

Syferus wrote:

Dunno about that, the Rams would have been trade happy with the #1 pick too and that'd have diluted interest in the #2 pick. And it'd have been very, very dangerous for the Colts to not just draft RG3 in that scenario and forget about trying to get added value.

Yeah, suppose you have a point alright! But say the Rams still made that trade with the Redskins, I'm pretty sure the Browns would have been happy enough to take the #2 off the Colts!

frostie500 wrote: »

Just out of curiousity has any top two draft choices ever come into the league with more pressure on their shoulders?

Eh, maybe Leaf and Peyton, but don't think it was as extreme, both were expected to do great things though....one succeeded and one failed miserable!!

frostie500

kmart6 wrote: »

Eh, maybe Leaf and Peyton, but don't think it was as extreme, both were expected to do great things though....one succeeded and one failed miserable!!

I think Manning and Leaf are comparable in terms of exposure and media interest prior to the draft and the fact that both the Colts and Chargers were looking at them as franchise saviours but on the other hand Manning replaced Jim Harbaugh as the Colts starter and Stan Humphries with the Chargers. Harbaugh was a functional QB by all accounts and Humphries led the Chargers to a Superbowl but its hardly replacing Manning and three first rounders compared to what Luck and Griffin are going to be doing in a couple of weeks time!

kmart6

Oh yeah, I get that alright!

Both didn't give up anything, compared to what the Redskins have done this year! Looking back on Leaf though, it really is a cautionary tale of how the big thing can fail! We really won't know until the season starts and they experience NFL intensity, don't expect either of them to fail(although if Luck does I'll walk to Indy and kill Irsay), but you just never know!

matthew8

Well worth it for both teams.

JaMarcus Hustle

I now know what the term "king's ransom" means. Washington better make sure they've got the best of the best contract negotiators backstage, because they're not doing anything significant in the draft until 2015.

And for the love of God please give the kid someone better than Santana Moss to be his #1.

RGIII

Lot of picks but if he becomes a franchise QB who cares what he cost. I hope the Rams miss on every pick.

Very happy he landed in Washington, the NFC. I think Griffin and Newton will become the next Brady-Manning rivalry.

Can't wait to see RG3 bring his talents to Washington.

JaMarcus Hustle

RGIII wrote: »

I think Griffin and Newton will become the next Brady-Manning rivalry.

Completely forgot they'll actually be facing each other this year.

That'll be fun!

Mr. Guappa

Jeff Fisher has some selection of picks over the next few years now:

2012: 3 picks in the top 39 including #6 overall.
2013: 2 first round picks, both of which are likely to be top 10 picks.
2014: 2 first round picks.

I feel for the Browns fans in this though. A bold move like the Redskins have pulled off would have created a buzz about that franchise that is sorely lacking. Maybe they like Matt Flynn, or Tannehill or Weedon in the draft.

Silver-Tiger

Browns were in for RG3 but wouldn't cough up enough. Don't know what to think now. Thinking our best bet now is to trade down a little and still pick up 2 premier offensive players like Richardson and Wright. Not sure Blackmon will be worth 4th overall. If that happens i'll be happy to give Colt another season under centre.

Not crazy on all this Matt Flynn talk. If Dolphins fail to get Manning and Phibbin doesn't take him there is something seriously wrong.

Paully D

The Rams have a big chance of becoming quite the force over the next few years then.

Many say they have the QB, now with 3 top picks in the top 40 this year, and 2 picks that will be likely top 10-15 next year they have a great opportunity.

I think this is a really good deal for them.

JaMarcus Hustle

Would be hilarious if Manning ended up in say Denver, and Flynn with the Browns. Dolphins then are resigned to drafting Tannehill at #7, only for Seattle to decide they want him and trade with....the Rams at #6 to make sure Miami don't get him. St. Louis then with potentially 3 first round picks next year (probably won't happen, but there's a small chance it could!).

adrian522

I'm not sure about Bradford though, big year for him. Hopefully they f**k up the next few drafts which they are well capable of.

also hope the redskins do well so the Rams picks aren't top 10 for the next few years