The Religion of Aliens

mcmoustache · 20-12-2011 3:41pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

Anyone who claims to be certain there is no God is just as wrong as anyone who claims they're certain there is one.

No.No.No.No

That's ridiculous. Given the lack of evidence for any of the Gods, it's quite sensible to assume that there isn't one. Given the same lack of evidence, it's quite stupid to assume that there is one. It's more stupid still to believe in the existence of a particular god.

There is also plenty of evidence that gods are a human, made up concept. The Old Testament god, for example, displays some downright bronze-age thinking which doesn't match with his supposed eternal nature.

If that makes no sense, switch the word "god" with "unicorn" and read it again. The same amount of evidence exists for both the OT god and unicorns - none at all.

In summary, the two propositions (God exists; God doesn't) are far from equal in probability. To say that they are is wrong.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 3:43pm

RichieC wrote: »

true enough but that's not what I mean.

l mean exact copies of earth and its
inhabitants far off in the infinite universe.

if theres infinite space and infinite atoms then that situation is how it is becausr there is a finite amount of ways atoms can be arranged.

There's also infinite number of past and future "you"s.

Which is cool. It means somewhere out there you're getting laid for the first time over and over and over and over.

RichieC · 20-12-2011 3:45pm

As cool as that is it doesnt strike me as realistic.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 3:47pm

RichieC wrote: »

As cool as that is it doesnt strike me as realistic.

A man can dream...

mickrock · 20-12-2011 3:52pm

Seachmall wrote: »

we can explain the complexity of life without the need for a designer

Not yet you can't.

As I already said, the origin of life can't yet be explained and neo-Darwinism has major flaws.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 3:54pm

mickrock wrote: »

Not yet you can't.

As I already said, the origin of life can't yet be explained and neo-Darwinism has major flaws.

Which is irrelevant.

Gaps in abiogensis or evolution are not evidence for ID.

RichieC · 20-12-2011 3:56pm

god of the gaps...poor.

mickrock · 20-12-2011 4:05pm

Seachmall wrote: »

Gaps in abiogensis or evolution are not evidence for ID.

I never said they were.

I was refuting your statement that "we can explain the complexity of life".

Cú Giobach · 20-12-2011 4:07pm

mickrock wrote: »

Not yet you can't.

The origin of life and the complexity of life are two different things.
We don't yet know about one, but the other is very well understood.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 4:15pm

mickrock wrote: »

I never said they were.

I was refuting your statement that "we can explain the complexity of life".

We know how life becomes complex.

We may not have documented every example of complex life and how exactly it evolved but we can, with certainty, say they arose from simpler life forms through genetic mutations, natural selection, genetic drift and other similar methods.

telecaster · 20-12-2011 4:16pm

The universe is infinite.
All things must exist or occur at some point in infinity.
God and aliens both exist, and simultaneously don't.
Aliens are arguing 'elsewhen' both about the existence of god and the existence of other life forms.

Ellis Dee · 20-12-2011 4:27pm

As vast as our universe is, some scientists now surmise that it may be only one of many, perhaps even an infinite number of universes, in what they are calling the "multiverse". And for all we can grasp with our limited intellects, maybe the multiverse is only one of many ---

And so on, in a kind of reversal of Jonathan Swift's famous dictum:

"So, naturalists observe, a flea
Has smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bite ’em;
And so proceed ad infinitum. "

Against that background, religion is so irrelevant to anything.:):)

mickrock · 20-12-2011 4:46pm

RichieC wrote: »

god of the gaps...poor.

Abiogenesis and neo-Darwinism of the gaps...

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 4:52pm

mickrock wrote: »

Abiogenesis and neo-Darwinism of the gaps...

Idiotic statement of the gaps...

prinz · 20-12-2011 4:53pm

Mind the gap.

mickrock · 20-12-2011 5:02pm

Seachmall wrote: »

Idiotic statement of the gaps...

It's no less idiotic saying abiogenesis of the gaps than God of the gaps.

Helix · 20-12-2011 5:06pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

Anyone who claims to be certain there is no God is just as wrong as anyone who claims they're certain there is one.

no

only one of them can be right, and only one of them can be wrong

Helix · 20-12-2011 5:09pm

Solair wrote: »

Eh, there are about 50 billion planets in the Milky Way...

there are between 200 billion and 400 billion stars in the milky way alone

Kanoe · 20-12-2011 5:10pm

back to aliens.
what if they didn't have any physical form, I mean if they were less dense than humans (pun not entirely intended but valid) If they were made of light for example then they would have no problem travelling much greater distances and flaking around the galaxy checking out saturns rings and having fun, hey.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 5:10pm

mickrock wrote: »

It's no less idiotic saying abiogenesis of the gaps than God of the gaps.

The purpose of abiogensis is to find out how life emerged when there was no life.

It's the exact opposite of an argument from ignorance, which is what "God of the Gaps" relates to.

RichieC · 20-12-2011 5:10pm

mickrock wrote: »

Seachmall wrote: »

Idiotic statement of the gaps...

It's no less idiotic saying abiogenesis of the gaps than God of the gaps.

youre kinda failing here, Bud...

conor.hogan.2 · 20-12-2011 5:13pm

Helix wrote: »

there are between 200 billion and 400 billion stars in the milky way alone

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/941958--how-many-planets-in-milky-way-at-least-50-billion-scientists-say

Not all those have planets with them apparently.

bbam · 20-12-2011 5:20pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's kind of like saying in reply to someone saying "We need to build defence shields for the possibility of tsumami's to protect our coastline"... "Well, I think the money would be better spent on protecting office workers from the dangers of paper cuts."

I've had a couple of paper cuts... nasty buggers !!
Tsunami.... nope not much round here...

So what are you going to do about those damn paper cuts ??:p

Kanoe · 20-12-2011 5:22pm

I think the universe is pretty smart in all fairness, but then again I think venus flytraps are too but it's not like they are killing flies for our merriment. Intelligent design doesn't suggest sentience just that there is method to it.

anyway, back to aliens.

bbam · 20-12-2011 5:29pm

telecaster wrote: »

The universe is infinite.
All things must exist or occur at some point in infinity.
God and aliens both exist, and simultaneously don't.
Aliens are arguing 'elsewhen' both about the existence of god and the existence of other life forms.

Based on what scientific proof is it infinite??
Because we'd like it to be or because someone with a huge IQ reckons it is??

You missed the word PROBABLY..
The universe is probably infinite

Just because something is very big, bigger than we are capable of envisaging doesn't mean it's infinite..
To a flea the earth and it's surroundings must seem infinite... but it isn't.

God and aliens both exist...
That's like saying Jack Frost and Goblins exist.... saying it doesn't make it true...

There are no facts that can be analised to prove even the possibility of a God like being..
We can search the sky and extrapolate that there are vast numbers of potential planets which may support life, and then statistically if life can start here it may have started on one of those vast numbers of planets too.. there are boffins working on that stuff, Mr Hawking and his crew..

Faith and Fact are very different things and should not be mixed up...

RichieC · 20-12-2011 5:30pm

Kanoe wrote: »

I think the universe is pretty smart in all fairness, but then again I think venus flytraps are too but it's not like they are killing flies for our merriment. Intelligent design doesn't suggest sentience just that there is method to it.

anyway, back to aliens.

Evolution is a incredibly smart system. we can even utilise its principles in design. aircraft design for instance.

mickrock · 20-12-2011 5:42pm

Seachmall wrote: »

The purpose of abiogensis is to find out how life emerged when there was no life.

You seem to take it as fact that life emerged from inanimate matter by chance.

It's only a theory and it's been making hardly any progress.

Seachmall · 20-12-2011 5:46pm

mickrock wrote: »

You seem to take it as fact that life emerged from inanimate matter by chance.

Where did I suggest that?

It's only a theory and it's been making hardly any progress.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

bbam · 20-12-2011 5:49pm

mickrock wrote: »

You seem to take it as fact that life emerged from inanimate matter by chance.

It's only a theory and it's been making hardly any progress.

I think that say over the last 1000 years science has made much more progress towards explaining the potential evolution of life on the planet than religion has at proving that a divine being exists... For most of that time the popular religions have been busy becoming wealthy and beating down the masses so as not to question the existence of a God..

If I were a betting man I'd be backing science..

mickrock · 20-12-2011 5:58pm

Seachmall wrote: »

Where did I suggest that?

I assumed you believed abiogenesis could explain the origin of life.

What are the alternatives?

The Religion of Aliens

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