Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

He was FFS.

Just because he was an evil asshole doesn't mean that he wasn't democratically elected. The level of intelligence on display by the "No" side is laughable.

You don't understand how the economy, taxation, democracy or pretty much anything actually works. Just admit it, you don't want to pay because you just want to keep your cash and **** the running of the country. That's fine. I'd have infinitely more respect for the campaign if they would just tell the truth.

Yet you admire a Govt that was elected on lies. Who never kept their word and are bending over backwards to please their European masters.

mickydoomsux

tayto lover wrote: »

On a tissue of LIES and BROKEN PROMISES.

Which is how you get elected.

If any of the other parties had been elected they would have had to do the exact same thing in some form or another, probably through a rise in income tax.

We need the money. This is merely an unpopular way of of raising it because they went after one of the sacred cows of Irish society - property.

mickydoomsux

tayto lover wrote: »

their European masters.

Our European masters. We're part of the EU whether you like it or not.

They dragged us out of our past as a backwoods, third-world ****hole.

mikom

tayto lover
On a tissue of LIES and BROKEN PROMISES.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Which is how you get elected.

What a great example to the youth.

Think I'll try some heroin........ after all, the government said it is bad for me.

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You don't understand how the economy, taxation, democracy or pretty much anything actually works.

I'm seeing another fish blindly thrashing around in a barrel! :cool:

Just admit it, you don't want to pay because you just want to keep your cash and **** the running of the country.

I'd barely stoop to pick €100 off the ground (:rolleyes:) -means nothing to me. But democracy does.

So I'm supporting those who can't/won't pay on the grounds that this tax is illegitimate; an imposition imposed on innocent Irish households to pay German bankers' gambling debts that those households did nothing to incur.

And this illegitimate extortion must be opposed as a moral duty.

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

He was FFS.

Just because he was an evil asshole doesn't mean that he wasn't democratically elected. The level of intelligence on display by the "No" side is laughable.

You don't understand how the economy, taxation, democracy or pretty much anything actually works. Just admit it, you don't want to pay because you just want to keep your cash and **** the running of the country. That's fine. I'd have infinitely more respect for the campaign if they would just tell the truth.

Wouldn't he make an excellent politician ?

mickydoomsux

Wild Bill wrote: »

an imposition imposed on innocent Irish households to pay German bankers' gambling debts ...

I asked you for genuine proof of this yesterday and you didn't actually address it yet.

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

They dragged us out of our past as a backwoods, third-world ****hole.

Don't agree.

But they are certainly threatening to drag us into a backwoods, third-world ****hole.

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I asked you for genuine proof of this yesterday and you didn't actually address it yet.

Then you should show him how its not true.

alastair

hondasam wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything?
Tell me the cost of living in all those states? Tell me what their local government provide? No point in saying I pay less tax if you have noting else to compare it with.

You simply don't pay enough out of your wages to sustain the costs of local services - and nor do those in europe who pay more out their wages than you do - that's why they pay property taxes or rates.

hondasam

alastair wrote: »

You simply don't pay enough out of your wages to sustain the costs of local services - and nor do those in europe who pay more out their wages than you do - that's why they pay property taxes or rates.

If I am asked to pay any more I will just pack it in and go on the dole.
If this is true then local services will have to suffer because I have suffered enough stoppages from my wages and I'm not prepared to work for nothing, I work for fcuk all as it is.

alastair

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Just admit it, you don't want to pay because you just want to keep your cash and **** the running of the country. That's fine. I'd have infinitely more respect for the campaign if they would just tell the truth.

You think that genius managed to get himself into property ownership? I'd be surprised if he's torn himself away from his ma's stewardship yet.

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I asked you for genuine proof of this yesterday and you didn't actually address it yet.

I said I has explained it many times previously on this thread and couldn't be arsed rehashing it.

I'm an educationalist - but frankly, I'd don't do special classes for pupils with very poor learning ability.

mickydoomsux

Wild Bill wrote: »

I said I has explained it many times previously on this thread and couldn't be arsed rehashing it.

I'm an educationalist - but frankly, I'd don't do special classes for pupils with very poor learning ability.

I don' want your explanation, you clearly have a bias so your explanation is worthless.

Provide me with some valid evidence that the money collected will be used to pay off these mystical "German gamblers".

Wild Bill

alastair wrote: »

You think that genius managed to get himself into property ownership? I'd be surprised if he's torn himself away from his ma's stewardship yet.

Not only do I own a property I also gifted one to my mother.

You assume a lot for one who clearly knows so little; guess you must fill the gaping holes in your knowledge of economics and politics with fantasy.

Believe me - it shows :cool:

dxhound2005

Wild Bill wrote: »

I said I has explained it many times previously on this thread and couldn't be arsed rehashing it.

I'm an educationalist - but frankly, I'd don't do special classes for pupils with very poor learning ability.

An educationalist who wouldn't stoop down to pick €100 of the ground. Clever and rich.

One area of expenditure that's certainly ripe for reform is the salaries of some educationalists.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/education/2011/1206/1224308615416.html

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Provide me with some valid evidence that the money collected will be used to pay off these mystical "German gamblers".

I already have - so I suggest you follow the course advocated by Mr Tayto :cool:

Wild Bill

dxhound2005 wrote: »

An educationalist who wouldn't stoop down to pick €100 of the ground. Clever and rich.

One area of expenditure that's certainly ripe for reform is the salaries of some educationalists.

I agree fully. But I never accept payment from the State for my services.

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Which is how you get elected.

If any of the other parties had been elected they would have had to do the exact same thing in some form or another, probably through a rise in income tax.

We need the money. This is merely an unpopular way of of raising it because they went after one of the sacred cows of Irish society - property.

"Which is how you get elected" On LIES ???

Jesus what a country. In the week that we have the Mahon Tribunal telling us of the corruption and antics of Fianna Fail and others you come out with this line.

Shame on you.

mickydoomsux

Wild Bill wrote: »

I already have - so I suggest you follow the course advocated by Mr Tayto :cool:

So in other words you have zero actual proof and you're just parroting what the rest of the short-sighted xenophobic buffoons in the no campaign have been spouting.

mickydoomsux

tayto lover wrote: »

"Which is how you get elected" On LIES ???

Jesus what a country. In the week that we have the Mahon Tribunal telling us of the corruption and antics of Fianna Fail and others you come out with this line.

Shame on you.

Reality sure is terrifying, isn't it?

howamidifferent

Even if this tax somehow made it to local government coffers, I have no interest in paying for libraries or parks cos I dont have any or use them. Just as I have to live within my means, so to should the local government...If they cant afford the library then close it or reduce its opening hours. Any other crap about services is just that, all others are chargeable when you use them like fire brigade and ambulance etc...

dxhound2005

Here is another educationalist Dr Brian O'Boyle who wants people to break the law. Not too surprising really since he is a member of the Socialist Workers Party. Some owners of private property have placed their trust in people who would take it from them given the chance.

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=18843

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Reality sure is terrifying, isn't it?

Correct. No better than F.F.
Maybe that's why very few are paying. No trust.

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So in other words you have zero actual proof and you're just parroting what the rest of the short-sighted xenophobic buffoons in the no campaign have been spouting.

No :rolleyes:

What part of "I already have" stretches your mental capacity to breaking point?

mickydoomsux

Wild Bill wrote: »

No :rolleyes:

What part of "I already have" stretches your mental capacity to breaking point?

The fact that you won't so much as post a link to something that supports your claim.

You're just saying that you previously explained it and apparently that's supposed to be undeniable proof.

tayto lover

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The fact that you won't so much as post a link to something that supports your claim.

You're just saying that you previously explained it and apparently that's supposed to be undeniable proof.

Maybe he's telling lies to you !!! If so you should respect him and look up to him cos you seem to admire that kind of thing.

Wild Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The fact that you won't so much as post a link to something that supports your claim.

You're just saying that you previously explained it and apparently that's supposed to be undeniable proof.

Anything can be denied; most of Christendom once denied the Earth orbited the sun.

We are borrowing vast sums to repay banker's gambling debts - are you actually denying this ?! :rolleyes:

mickydoomsux

Wild Bill wrote: »

We are borrowing vast sums to repay banker's gambling debts - are you actually denying this ?! :rolleyes:

Yes.

Prove me wrong.

Bruthal

hondasam wrote: »

Spoken like a true politician, avoiding the question is your strong point. Tuppence halfpenny to you Principle to me.

I will ask again, are you prepared to pay what ever sum they ask you to pay next year?

Didnt take you long to come to the same conclusion as the rest of us there sam.