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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #5402
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    He seems to be saying that their working with the Data Protection commissioner, and that is going well, but if there are issues, then they're willing to introduce additional legislation.

    He is certainly not for turning - that much is clear.

    I couldn't care less if he writes to me personally or calls to my home in person. I am not paying. It is an unjust tax put on a citizen's home by a shower of European lick asses wanting to look good in front of Angela.


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    #5403
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Doesn't even BEGIN to compare. That tax is a given.

    Sorry to break bad news mate. So is this one.


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    #5404
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    And you seem to have no problem with people who were provided with houses by the state being exempt. Your "logic" truly defies belief.

    They don't own them. Same story with the car owning citizens. You do get the whole logic thing, yeah?


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    #5405
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I am not paying. It is an unjust tax put on a citizen's home by a shower of European lick asses wanting to look good in front of Angela.

    Again with the 'unjust' stuff. Care to articulate why this specific tax is unjust? No waffle about the IMF or ECB, or negative equity (or castles for that matter) - just some actual directed arguments?


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    #5406
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    Again with the 'unjust' stuff. Care to articulate why this specific tax is unjust? No waffle about the IMF or ECB, or negative equity (or castles for that matter) - just some actual directed arguments?

    Sure didn't your master even say it

    "It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a person's home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

    A home is the last thing they should be touching. What next ? Child Tax ?


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    #5407
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Again with the 'unjust' stuff. Care to articulate why this specific tax is unjust?

    1. Ground rent on a persons shelter, on top of mortgage and estate maintenance fees.
    2. Ryan Tubridy paying the same as Padraig Nally.


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    #5408
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Sure didn't your master even say it

    "It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a person's home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

    A home is the last thing they should be touching. What next ? Child Tax ?

    So, neither you nor Enda can actually point to a quantifiable problem with property tax? Fair enough. Talk of 'castles' isn't really going to cut it, and last I looked, no-one was advocating child tax.


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    #5409
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    1. Ground rent on a persons shelter, on top of mortgage and estate maintenance fees.
    2. Ryan Tubridy paying the same as Padraig Nally.

    1. You think motor tax on top of credit union / car loan payments is unjust? Many homeowners pay neither mortgage nor estate fees btw.

    2. Haven't you heard the tiered system, with proper rates is what we're getting after the registration year?


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    #5410
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    So, neither you nor Enda can actually point to a quantifiable problem with property tax? Fair enough. Talk of 'castles' isn't really going to cut it, and last I looked, no-one was advocating child tax.

    I wonder has Enda expressed his true feelings to Angela on this tax ? Would be interesting if she was made aware of his previous statement. She might break it off.


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    #5411
    jonnygee
    Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭jonnygee


    I cant decide whether to register or not. I can pay the 100 euros all right at the moment but im not so confident that i can pay 500 or 1000 euros in years to come. I have no wages coming in and am not recieving any social welfare due to a redundancy payment putting me above means test limits.
    Also I know many people , family and friends who definetly cant afford to pay any more, they have no more disposable income to give this goverment and i feel that registering and paying would be a selfish thing for me to do.
    Why does the government not understand that many of it,s citizens are on the borderline of poverty right now. Why does Phil Hogan insist that he will take it off you regardless of whether you can afford it or not.


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    #5412
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I wonder has Enda expressed his true feelings to Angela on this tax ? Would be interesting if she was made aware of his previous statement. She might break it off.

    You believed FG promises and statements ahead of the election? I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.


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    #5413
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    jonnygee wrote: »
    I cant decide whether to register or not. I can pay the 100 euros all right at the moment but im not so confident that i can pay 500 or 1000 euros in years to come. I have no wages coming in and am not recieving any social welfare due to a redundancy payment putting me above means test limits.
    Also I know many people , family and friends who definetly cant afford to pay any more, they have no more disposable income to give this goverment and i feel that registering and paying would be a selfish thing for me to do.
    Why does the government not understand that many of it,s citizens are on the borderline of poverty right now. Why does Phil Hogan insist that he will take it off you regardless of whether you can afford it or not.

    They have to please the Germans and look after their rich gambling friends as well.


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    #5414
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Freddie59 wrote: »

    The interesting thing is that if the Govermnent reduced the CS/PS wages by just €10 for each one, it would bring in €152m per year. Imagine. The ones causing the deficit actually paying for it.

    Then do the same with SW. And so it goes on..

    This is very basic math and household budgeting. A child in 1st class could manage this. But our "Government"? No.

    what makes you think that this scenario won't happen as well?


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    #5415
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    1. You think motor tax on top of credit union / car loan payments is unjust? Many homeowners pay neither mortgage nor estate fees btw.

    Senario:
    A family of 5 can't afford motor tax.......... they get rid of the car

    A family of 5 can't afford property tax.......... what again.....



    alastair wrote: »
    Haven't you heard the tiered system, with proper rates is what we're getting after the registration year?

    You'll be waitin'


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    #5416
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Back to playing obtuse again. And you crying about people selectively quoting you.
    You haven't been paying attention... (people were complaining about me doing the selective quoting, not the other way around)
    Slick50 wrote: »
    How about responding to the bit highlighted in bold, seeing as you won't post a link, like you so often seek from others.
    ...even to the national news.


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    #5417
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    You believed FG promises and statements ahead of the election? I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.

    I am going to have Enda's quote translated to German and put on a big banner for the protest just in the hope that it embarrasses him. Could i have a couple of planks out of your bridge to nail it to ?


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    #5418
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    jonnygee wrote: »
    I cant decide whether to register or not. I can pay the 100 euros all right at the moment but im not so confident that i can pay 500 or 1000 euros in years to come. I have no wages coming in and am not recieving any social welfare due to a redundancy payment putting me above means test limits.
    Also I know many people , family and friends who definetly cant afford to pay any more, they have no more disposable income to give this goverment and i feel that registering and paying would be a selfish thing for me to do.
    Why does the government not understand that many of it,s citizens are on the borderline of poverty right now. Why does Phil Hogan insist that he will take it off you regardless of whether you can afford it or not.

    Higher taxes are going to be a reality here. If it didn't include a property tax component, it would come out of your pocket elsewhere. The tiered system of property taxes will (if every other property tax model provides some guidance), allowances for ability to pay, so if you're genuinely broke, it shouldn't be a concern. Of course there's no knowing what sort of mess could be made of it (or any other taxation arrangement they might drum up).


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    #5419
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mikom wrote: »
    2. Ryan Tubridy paying the same as Padraig Nally.
    mikom, you're outdoing yourself:pac::pac:


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    #5420
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Senario:
    A family of 5 can't afford motor tax.......... they get rid of the car

    A family of 5 can't afford property tax.......... what again.....

    Well, two possibilities there my friend - firstly most property tax systems (not 100 euro registration arrangements) make some allowance for ability to pay, so family of five fill in the appropriate exemption forms, and secondly - there's always renting. A four bedroom house would pay for a lot of rental years.


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    #5421
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Higher taxes are going to be a reality here. If it didn't include a property tax component, it would come out of your pocket elsewhere.

    Cool.
    Just hands off the family home.

    alastair wrote: »
    Well, two possibilities there my friend

    First off, you can shove the "my friend" stuff up your hole.

    alastair wrote: »
    most property tax systems (not 100 euro registration arrangements) make some allowance for ability to pay, so family of five fill in the appropriate exemption forms,

    You'll be waitin'

    alastair wrote: »
    and secondly - there's always renting. A four bedroom house would pay for a lot of rental years.

    Remind me again how you go about that on a mortgaged house in the current property market.


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    #5422
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    You'll be waitin'

    You think that this whole thing is about pulling as little revenue as possible? There's all that stamp duty to make up for - they need a tiered system asap.


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    #5423
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Cool.
    Just hands off the family home.

    The govt doesn't have any insterest in taking your family home. They want your money.


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    #5424
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    mikom wrote: »
    Senario:
    A family of 5 can't afford motor tax.......... they get rid of the car

    A family of 5 can't afford property tax.......... what again.....
    '

    Option 1: Let the charge build up and hope their circumstances improve in the future to allow them discharge the debt.

    Option 2: set up a system whereby people who are in the circumstances you describe, can apply for a waiver.


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    #5425
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    You think that this whole thing is about pulling as little revenue as possible? There's all that stamp duty to make up for - they need a tiered system asap.

    lol, you''ll be waitin'........ or else it will be a shambles.
    Have you seen how well they are managing the registration system.
    It's like an episode of "Some mothers do 'ave 'em"

    "Ohhh Betty"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRNm0_TAj_4


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    #5426
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    alastair wrote: »
    The govt doesn't have any insterest in taking your family home. They want your money.

    ...And where do they then like to spent it also? HUH?

    * http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/374/img741.jpg

    * http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3071/img742c.jpg

    Right!!!

    Nice to have a credit card in your pocket that has allows you to spend €15,000 a month - and the people will pay it for you!
    ...And he's NOT on his own remember. How many in the government and state departments have this perk and to what level?


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    #5427
    OldeCinemaSoz
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭OldeCinemaSoz


    Carlsberg dosen't do household charges...

    but if they did they'd be PROBABLY the best PAYERS IN THE WORLD.

    :)

    Just don't pay it...shut your door...don't answer it unless
    you know who's calling (and the same for the 'phone)...

    IGNORE THEM.

    They'll soon go away. ;):)


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    #5428
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    OldeCinemaSoz wrote: »
    ...They'll soon go away. ;):)
    No, they won't.
    They will now invade your very privacy - possibly home via the bills that come through your door from your ESB and other home bills!

    More taking the piss out of the public!


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    #5429
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    black francis wrote: »
    Option 1: Let the charge build up and hope their circumstances improve in the future to allow them discharge the debt.
    .
    Would that not be breaking the law that the yes side hold so dear? When it suits them


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    #5430
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Biggins wrote: »
    No, they won't.
    They will now invade your very privacy - possibly home via the bills that come through your door from your ESB and other home bills!

    More taking the piss out of the public!

    It absolutely is taking the piss out of the public. Its astonishing that there are people on this thread that dont see that.

    It further shows how seperated the likes of hogan is from the average person.


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    #5431
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    alastair wrote: »
    I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.


    will ye be putting a tax on it if i buy it?


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