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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #4862
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    So the services are not €10 a month, you said we can get our services for €10 a month a couple of posts back. #4849

    You're not paying so its free for you.(illegally that is). Less than a tenner a month is a tuppence.


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    #4863
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gurramok wrote: »
    You're not paying so its free for you.(illegally that is). Less than a tenner a month is a tuppence.

    How is it illegally?


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    #4864
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mconigol wrote: »
    They are arguments for a general property tax. Not valid arguments for the justification of this specific charge.
    This specific charge is a precursor for a property tax - the reason we have this charge now and haven't gone straight to a property tax have been well aired.


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    #4865
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    How is it illegally?

    You have to ask? Its the law of the land as laid down by our Dail, a law that was passed by our democratic reps..


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    #4866
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    gurramok wrote: »
    ...Less than a tenner a month is a tuppence.

    It really isn't.


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    #4867
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I think the Pro Tax crowd are absolutely hysterical. Did you not see the baldy lad on the news the other night threatening all sorts of things he has NO power to carry out. I had a great laugh at him.

    Councillors going DOOR TO DOOR in Waterford asking people to sign up.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #4868
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    gurramok wrote: »
    You have to ask? Its the law of the land as laid down by our Dail, a law that was passed by our democratic reps..

    Like suicide or man on man lovemaking being a criminal offence a few years back..........


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    #4869
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    seamus wrote: »
    1. The state needs money to pay for everyday costs

    Another pearl of wisdom, jeez, I'm convinced now.
    seamus wrote: »
    2. Property taxes are one of the most stable forms of income you can have, i.e. they do not vary with the strength of the economy

    Of course they do, people can't pay what they don't have.
    seamus wrote: »
    It's got nothing to do with the ability to pay. If you live in your property, then I don't see the problem.

    Which is exactly what makes it inequitable.


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    #4870
    Stiffler2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    F**K the lot of them. You'd swear half the people posting here are actually TD's themselves within FG promoting the Tax.

    Idiots - the bankers, Sean Fitzpatrick / Bertie can pay my house tax charge.

    ****


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    #4871
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    As predicted, the surge in those paying is underway.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/increase-in-numbers-registering-for-household-charge-543786.html


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    #4872
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    mikom wrote: »
    Like suicide or man on man lovemaking being a criminal offence a few years back..........

    Nope, very poor comparison. The charge mandated by the people who elected FG\Lab\FF\(most others bar the far left) as it was part of the IMF bailout. Same for water charges on the way, ignorance of current affairs is no excuse.


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    #4873
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    mikom wrote: »
    Like suicide or man on man lovemaking being a criminal offence a few years back..........


    Don't forget Martin Luther King either - he's always a good one to mention. Tireless anti-property tax campaigner that he was.


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    #4874
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    mikom wrote: »
    Like suicide or man on man lovemaking being a criminal offence a few years back..........
    You might need a lot more straw to build that man.
    Slick50 wrote: »
    Another pearl of wisdom, jeez, I'm convinced now.
    The anti-campaigners seem to have missed it though, a simple fact of economics. It's nothing to do with bankers or bondholders. The State needs money. How else do you propose it gets it?
    Of course they do, people can't pay what they don't have.
    Again, a fundamental misunderstanding of the real world. Stable taxes are stable because they can be predicted in advance. Even if some people have difficulty meeting the tax, the majority will pay it. Unstable taxes can't be predicted in advance because people will do their best to avoid paying it, even when they can afford it.
    Which is exactly what makes it inequitable.
    I have no problem with inequitable taxes at the moment. We are massively top-heavy at the moment, lower earners do not pay enough tax.


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    #4875
    johnnyrotten
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten


    Whats all this rumour i'm hearing about a household charge?


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    #4876
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gurramok wrote: »
    Less than a tenner a month for your services, that's a bargain you should grab right now!

    But its not. We pay lots of other taxes. €50 euro from a back pocket or front pocket has equal value. So any tax paid is toward the state.
    gurramok wrote: »
    Do you expect to get your services for free? Freeloading is not nice.
    Were you free loading up until now?
    gurramok wrote: »
    You're not paying so its free for you.(illegally that is).

    If you can point out anyone in the country who has broken a tax property law, that would be good.


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    #4877
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gurramok wrote: »
    As predicted, the surge in those paying is underway.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/increase-in-numbers-registering-for-household-charge-543786.html

    I've heard this also been reported on Newstalk.
    No doubt the usual suspects will be on telling us that this is just government propaganda designed to scare people into submission.


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    #4878
    Savage Henry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Savage Henry


    gurramok wrote: »
    As predicted, the surge in those paying is underway.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/increase-in-numbers-registering-for-household-charge-543786.html

    25% increase on 12% is hardly a surge. More propaganda.


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    #4879
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    dvpower wrote: »
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    I've heard this also been reported on Newstalk.
    No doubt the usual suspects will be on telling us that this is just government propaganda designed to scare people into submission.
    Or I love the comments on Breakingnews; "Sure 25% is really only 3% more people paying. That's not a surge. Don't believe the propaganda!". Of course I would expect this level of mathematical genius from the kind of people who oppose being taxed.


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    #4880
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Im expected to pay this charge.

    But TDs can break rules on purpose,use 50k in ink,give 37k salary increases to advisors,run up massive dail bar drinks bills and so on.

    Im not paying,and it will cost the goverment more money to chase me down and make me pay.And even then I still wouldnt pay.

    MY esb bill states that no information will be used,only for the purpose of the leccy bill.#

    So if the goverment try this tactic,they will breaking both my european civil and human rights,and I will have them up in court on this matter.

    The leaflet thing is a shambles too.

    My case in court will be that I never recieved a bill/invoice to pay the tax,I never recieved a leaflet informing me on the various ways to pay.

    Therefore Im not legally oblidged to pay it,as I knew nothing about it.


    Oh and Vincent Brown tore that Fine Gael minister a new ar5ehole last night.

    She was well and truely put in her place.


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    #4881
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    But its not. We pay lots of other taxes. €50 euro from a back pocket or front pocket has equal value. So any tax paid is toward the state.

    Were you free loading up until now?

    If you can point out anyone in the country who has broken a tax property law, that would be good.

    They will after March 31st. Why oppose the law as decided by your democratically elected Dail?

    Do you wish to see a dictator in power to dictate your needs? You shouldn't as we have a democracy which reflects the will of the people.


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    #4882
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Im expected to pay this charge.

    But TDs can break rules on purpose,use 50k in ink,gibe 37k salary increases to advisors,run up massive dail bar drinks bills and so on.

    Im not paying,and it will cost the goverment more money to chase me downa and make me pay.

    The leaflet thing is a shambles too.

    My case in court will be that I never recieved a bill/invoice to pay the tax,I never recieved a leaflet informing me on the various ways to pay.

    Therefore Im not legally oblidged to pay it,as I knew nothing about it.

    Good thinking Perry Mason - doubt you'll have your day in court, just a large bill for you or your heirs to discharge in the future.


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    #4883
    [Deleted User]
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    paddy147 wrote: »
    Im expected to pay this charge.

    But TDs can break rules on purpose,use 50k in ink,give 37k salary increases to advisors,run up massive dail bar drinks bills and so on.

    Aengus O Snodaigh won't be paying the household charge either, so you're in good company.


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    #4884
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    I just got a cheque from the postman for 1000 euro . It was tax back . I dont see what all the fuss is about . The taxman is cool as far as Im concerned.


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    #4885
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    dvpower wrote: »
    [/URL]
    No doubt the usual suspects will be on telling us that this is just government propaganda designed to scare people into submission.
    As if by magic:
    Savage Henry wrote: »
    25% increase on 12% is hardly a surge. More propaganda.


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    #4886
    Stiffler2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    gurramok wrote: »
    They will after March 31st. Why oppose the law as decided by your democratically elected Dail?

    Do you wish to see a dictator in power to dictate your needs? You shouldn't as we have a democracy which reflects the will of the government.

    Fixed that for ya :rolleyes:


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    #4887
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    seamus wrote: »
    Or I love the comments on Breakingnews; "Sure 25% is really only 3% more people paying. That's not a surge. Don't believe the propaganda!". Of course I would expect this level of mathematical genius from the kind of people who oppose being taxed.

    Well 3% isn't a surge.


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    #4888
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gurramok wrote: »
    They will after March 31st.
    I was a law abiding citizen yesterday you said. Now im a future criminal.


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    #4889
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    Fixed that for ya :rolleyes:

    A true intellectual you are, Stiffler2.


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    #4890
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    mconigol wrote: »
    Well 3% isn't a surge.

    Id be surprised myself if there was not a fairly big surge in the last few days though.


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    #4891
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Councillors going DOOR TO DOOR in Waterford asking people to sign up.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Hi Freddie which councilers are they and what part of waterford are they going door to door?


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