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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #3182
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    IMF did not appear on the ballot paper.


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    #3183
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Slick50 wrote: »

    It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home!

    Yup, Enda said that not so long ago. And he had to know people would pick up on that line when he announced the charge. Pretty embarrassing for him wouldn't you say? Therefore don't you think he would have avoided it if he possibly could have?


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    #3184
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Yup, Enda said that not so long ago. And he had to know people would pick up on that line when he announced the charge. Pretty embarrassing for him wouldn't you say? Therefore don't you think he would have avoided it if he possibly could have?

    That embarrassment is a very small sacrafice, for the wages and pension for life he will recieve.


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    #3185
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Ok, so where are all these better ideas that will get us out of the hole we're in without an ounce of pain for anyone?

    A refusal to pay the promissory notes on anglo, after all it is just an IOU from OUR government to OUR central bank.


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    #3186
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Post 3162, re; corporation tax.

    if you really think it's the answer to all of our problems might I suggest you contact your TD, start a campaign etc and get your idea out there. If it's as good as you think it is I'm sure you'll get massive support


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    #3187
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    if you really think it's the answer to ask of our problems might I suggest you contact your TD, start a campaign etc and get your idea out there. If it's as good as you think it is I'm sure you'll get massive support

    Where`s your solutions?


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    #3188
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Your a few years too late asking that one regarding the pain bit.

    That's the thing though isn't it? Just about every suggestion to fix the crisis that I've heard is about start we should have done. Unfortunately time machines don't exist so we're left in a situation where our country has to get its finances in order and that unfortunately involves austerity


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    #3189
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    A refusal to pay the promissory notes on anglo, after all it is just an IOU from OUR government to OUR central bank.

    So why do you think they didn't do that?


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    #3190
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    if you really think it's the answer to ask of our problems might I suggest you contact your TD, start a campaign etc and get your idea out there. If it's as good as you think it is I'm sure you'll get massive support
    I have contacted my local TD about this and the household charge. He lives about 300 meters from me.
    He is a labour backbencher and whilst he agrees with me he says there's not a lot he can do.
    The idea about corporation tax is out there only enda & co. are too scared to even contemplate doing it.


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    #3191
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    That embarrassment is a very small sacrafice, for the wages and pension for life he will recieve.

    Now that's just silly. The household charge will only have a negative effect on his re-election chances. So he's being embarrassed and at the same time negatively affecting his his future wage and pension prospects


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    #3192
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    That's the thing though isn't it? Just about every suggestion to fix the crisis that I've heard is about start we should have done. Unfortunately time machines don't exist so we're left in a situation where our country has to get its finances in order and that unfortunately involves austerity

    Well then, tell us your suggestions, or you`l have donal in saying you wont answer. And il thank his post then.


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    #3193
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    So why do you think they didn't do that?

    Why do you think they don't do that??


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    #3194
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Well then, tell us your suggestions, or you`l have donal in saying you wont answer. And il thank his post then.

    Again, my point is that there are no easy answers that the government are just ignoring for no apparent reason


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    #3195
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Well then, tell us your suggestions, or you`l have donal in saying you wont answer. And il thank his post then.
    I think there may have been a PM or two there....donal is having a night off.
    Why do YOU think that is??:D


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    #3196
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Why do you think they don't do that??

    Because the people who are currently keeping our country afloat wouldn't let them, or any other government that happened to be in charge


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    #3197
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Now that's just silly. The household charge will only have a negative effect on his re-election chances. So he's being embarrassed and at the same time negatively affecting his his future wage and pension prospects

    Not silly at all, his salary and pension will be wildly above almost all the workers in this country, no matter what he does now.


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    #3198
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Because the people who are currently keeping our country afloat wouldn't let them, or any other government that happened to be in charge

    Not true.
    In order to scrap the promissory notes they just need the backing of two thirds of governments in the eurozone.


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    #3199
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I think there may have been a PM or two there....donal is having a night off.
    Why do YOU think that is??:D

    Not being able to say "credibility" or "insult me" left feck all else to say, or could it be a rebadge or relation?


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    #3200
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Not being able to say "credibility" or "insult me" left feck all else to say, or could it be a rebadge or relation?
    Sounds like he's stoned...


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    #3201
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Not silly at all, his salary and pension will be wildly above almost all the workers in this country, no matter what he does now.

    That's not in dispute but you said that the embarrassment was a "sacrifice" for his wages and pension. Now you're saying that his pay is irrelevant because it'll be high regardless. Which is it?


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    #3202
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Not true.
    In order to scrap the promissory notes they just need the backing of two thirds of governments in the eurozone.

    Do they have that?


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    #3203
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Not true.
    In order to scrap the promissory notes they just need the backing of two thirds of governments in the eurozone.
    As easy as that?:rolleyes:


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    #3204
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Again, my point is that there are no easy answers that the government are just ignoring for no apparent reason

    There's several hard options the government are not taking. Putting it up to unsecured bondholders, putting it up to PS unions, putting it up to NAMA chiefs, etc.........

    They're having a go at a soft target and hoping to get away with it by introducing this property tax. They won't. EU/IMF couldn't care where the money comes from once it gets paid back.


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    #3205
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Do they have that?
    dvpower wrote: »
    As easy as that?:rolleyes:

    Listen lads, go and pay your household tax.
    You both really add nothing to this thread.
    Any suggestion as to having a different view is mocked or replied to with a smart arsed answer.
    I really don't know why you bother yourselves by coming on here.
    Why do YOU think that is Sam?


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    #3206
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    There's several hard options the government are not taking. Putting it up to unsecured bondholders, putting it up to PS unions, putting it up to NAMA chiefs, etc.........
    Not paying bondholders has been ruled out by the trioka.
    Further paycuts in the PS would save money, but would probably be even more politically damaging.
    I don't understand how 'putting it up to NAMA chiefs' raises anything?
    squod wrote: »
    EU/IMF couldn't care where the money come from once it gets paid back.
    They do. A property tax is in the MOU.


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    #3207
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    That's not in dispute but you said that the embarrassment was a "sacrifice" for his wages and pension. Now you're saying that his part is irrelevant because it'll be high regardless. Which is it?

    But you brought up the embarrassment scenario, not me.


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    #3208
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    squod wrote: »
    There's several hard options the government are not taking. Putting it up to unsecured bondholders, putting it up to PS unions, putting it up to NAMA chiefs, etc.........

    They're having a go at a soft target and hoping to get away with it by introducing this property tax. They won't. EU/IMF couldn't care where the money come from once it gets paid back.

    Putting it up to bondholders is something the EU are very much against. And if they didn't care how they got the money back I wouldn't think they would have made a property tax a binding part of the agreement

    As for putting it up to PS unions, why do you think they haven't done that yet?


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    #3209
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Cue the "are you now saying that we should pay the household charge, gerry?"
    smart arsed reply......


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    #3210
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Listen lads, go and pay your household tax.
    You both really add nothing to this thread.
    Any suggestion as to having a different view is mocked or replied to with a smart arsed answer.
    I really don't know why you bother yourselves by coming on here.
    Why do YOU think that is Sam?

    Sam hire of dvpower perhaps?


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    #3211
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Listen lads, go and pay your household tax.
    You both really add nothing to this thread.
    Any suggestion as to having a different view is mocked or replied to with a smart arsed answer.
    I really don't know why you bother yourselves by coming on here.
    Why do YOU think that is Sam?

    I don't own a house. My wages aren't nearly high enough to have one


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