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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #3212
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Any suggestion as to having a different view is mocked or replied to with a smart arsed answer.

    Pot, meet kettle.
    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Sounds like he's stoned...


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    #3213
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    I don't own a house. My wages aren't nearly high enough to have one

    And this is in reference to what?


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    #3214
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Pot, meet kettle.
    What?


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    #3215
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    But you brought up the embarrassment scenario, not me.

    The fact that I brought it up doesn't make your response to it make any more sense, that he made a sacrifice so that he'd have something that he would have had anyway


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    #3216
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    I don't own a house. My wages aren't nearly high enough to have one
    Why do you think that is Sam?


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    #3217
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    And this is in reference to what?

    He told me to go pay my household tax


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    #3218
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Why do you think that is Sam?

    Because my company has had pay cuts and freezes since I joined


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    #3219
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    And this is in reference to what?
    Here Rob, I need a drink.......


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    #3220
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Yup, Enda said that not so long ago. And he had to know people would pick up on that line when he announced the charge. Pretty embarrassing for him wouldn't you say? Therefore don't you think he would have avoided it if he possibly could have?

    Of course he could, but he seems to have figured it would be a handy way of rummaging up a few bob, and then give us a proper shafting later.

    "Sometimes" they get it wrong...

    "I admit that we got it wrong," said Mr Quinn. "You get it wrong sometimes, we make mistakes and I accept we got it wrong."

    "All government decisions are open to review" Enda Kenny


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    #3221
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »
    Not paying bondholders has been ruled out by the trioka.

    I didn't vote troika in the last election.
    dvpower wrote: »
    Further paycuts in the PS would save money, but would probably be even more politically damaging.

    Putting their political careers ahead of the needs of the nation? Fuhk 'em.
    dvpower wrote: »

    They do. A property tax is in the MOU.

    .and it's not gonna happen. It will have to be negotiated on that basis.


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    #3222
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Anyway, off to bed now so no more replies. Toodles...


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    #3223
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Thank **** for that.......

    And a final question Sam,
    What's your favourite humming sound?
    Mines, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!


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    #3224
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    I didn't vote troika in the last election.
    Nobody voted for the trioka, but the majority of voters voted for parties who stood on a platform of implementing the MOU.

    Perhaps you didn't vote for one of those parties; that being the case, you're side lost. Now you need to suck it up and accept the democratic wishes of the people.


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    #3225
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Thank **** for that.......

    Sorry what was that about smart arsed answers?

    I'm really gone now :p


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    #3226
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »
    .... accept the democratic wishes of the people.

    90+% of the people haven't registered and (it looks like) will not register. That's democracy in action.


    My blood is boiling. I'm off.


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    #3227
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Sorry what was that about smart arsed answers?

    I'm really gone now :p

    Only messing!
    It's a bit of banter...


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    #3228
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    90+% of the people haven't registered and (it looks like) will not register. That's democracy in action.
    Sure it is; if tax evasion/civil disobedience trumps a democratic election as an expression of democracy in action.


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    #3229
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Sure it is; if tax evasion/civil disobedience trumps a democratic election as an expression of democracy in action.
    Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn, time for bed!


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    #3230
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Here Rob, I need a drink.......

    So do i, bloody pc froze, and i couldnt find a hammer.


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    #3231
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I have reached a turning point with this country lately. I really have. Injustice is rife and there is a growing rift between the amount of rich and poor in this country and from reading these threads there seems to be no sense of empathy towards fellow man. People dont seem to care that people are paid obscene amounts in this country and many people in abject poverty are being crucified. Suicide has gone up 13% last year and its no surprise why. Some of the lack of empathy in this country sickening.


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    #3232
    bagsmcg
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    what household charge?


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    #3233
    gigino
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    dvpower wrote: »
    Not paying bondholders has been ruled out by the trioka.
    Further paycuts in the PS would save money, but would probably be even more politically damaging.
    The public service pay cuts will happen in a year or two anyway : better make them now so they will not be as severe.
    I'm not paying property tax seeing as I paid a fortune in stamp duty already on my house, and seeing as public service pay + pensions , social welfare etc south of the border is double what it is north of the border / in the UK.


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    #3234
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    The fact that I brought it up doesn't make your response to it make any more sense, that he made a sacrifice so that he'd have something that he would have had anyway

    He took the job, knowing there will be awkward and embarrassing times. Why? Because they are small prices to pay (sacrafices) [insert equivelant word here] for a life of likely financial security. It was likely not because he thought he would save Ireland from the abyss.


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    #3235
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,538 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Only messing!
    It's a bit of banter...

    I miss the proper invective from our friend The Quadratic Equation. Like this:

    Paying the charge, bending over, and sticking your cowardly head in the sand, while leaving your compliant servile ass in the air for riding at will by the corrupt golden circle, is far from a worthy principle.

    He seems to have disappeared this last few days, maybe he is away on a pilgrimage somewhere.


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    #3236
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gigino wrote: »
    The public service pay cuts will happen in a year or two anyway : better make them now so they will not be as severe.
    PS pay may well be cut again (or at least increments frozen) but, unfortunately, we need PS cuts and the property tax.

    We're committed to taking another (I think) 3bn from the economy next year and a further 3bn the year after, so there will have to be further cuts and tax rises.


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    #3237
    gigino
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    dvpower wrote: »
    PS pay may well be cut again (or at least increments frozen) but, unfortunately, we need PS cuts and the property tax.

    We're committed to taking another (I think) 3bn from the economy next year and a further 3bn the year after, so there will have to be further cuts and tax rises.

    The property tax will raise f**k all, and dampen spending even more. Even is 500,000 houses pay 100, thats only 50,000,000. On the other hand the government is giving €600,000,000 in tax free lump sum gratuities to public servants retiring this month. Fifty million versus 600 million.

    At least you will know where your 100 euro goes.


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    #3238
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Because my company has had pay cuts and freezes since I joined
    sounds like you're a jinx so. Pottler for one won't be paying. I pay a sh1tload of tax, a shedload of prsi, I pay eight peoples wages in an industry thats fecked and all the tax, Vat and prsi that goes with that responcibility, but on this one, they can go and sh1te.
    Won't pay, no way. Well I might, but it's gonna be at the last minute, just before they start to waterboard me, and waay after they start with the electric shocks.


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    #3239
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,500 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    gigino wrote: »
    The property tax will raise f**k all, and dampen spending even more. Even is 500,000 houses pay 100, thats only 50,000,000. On the other hand the government is giving €600,000,000 in tax free lump sum gratuities to public servants retiring this month. Fifty million versus 600 million.

    At least you will know where your 100 euro goes.

    Is that why you go from thread to thread ? To slate the P.S ?. Every thread you go on you have the same agenda. I can see one of the P.S. posters finding out where you live.


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    #3240
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    Sure it is; if tax evasion/civil disobedience trumps a democratic election as an expression of democracy in action.

    Civil disobedience is a legitimate way of registering your disagreement with what you regard as an unjust or amoral law. If enough people are willing to partake, then it is representative of the will of the people. This is as democratic as you can get, even more so than a coalition government, where each party blames the other for their decisions.


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    #3241
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gigino wrote: »
    The property tax will raise f**k all, and dampen spending even more.
    Dampening spending - that's bad. :mad:
    gigino wrote: »
    On the other hand the government is giving €600,000,000 in tax free lump sum gratuities to public servants retiring this month.
    Government to the rescue. :)


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