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    #92
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    The point I was trying to make is that you cant see the light of day.

    You're going around in circles here but not actually making any point at all. You are making veiled points without actually putting your cards on the table.

    What i've been trying to do is get you to verify what exactly you were trying to say without jumping to the worst conclusion, which would've been easy to do. But it seems you don't want to make yourself clear. That's your choice.


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    #93
    Sitec
    Registered Users Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Sitec


    studdlymurphy wrote: »
    Im not one to snitch but there is 4 done so far. Link here for anyone who wants to be a snitch with me.

    I don't see how it's being a "snitch". We're not in primary school and frankly if everyone did it we wouldn't have this problem.


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    #94
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Offy wrote: »
    The point I was trying to make is that you cant see the light of day.

    You're going around in circles here but not actually making any point at all. You are making veiled points without actually putting your cards on the table.

    What i've been trying to do is get you to verify what exactly you were trying to say without jumping to the worst conclusion, which would've been easy to do. But it seems you don't want to make yourself clear. That's your choice.
    Why do you dislike lone parents so much?


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    #95
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Sitec wrote: »
    I don't see how it's being a "snitch". We're not in primary school and frankly if everyone did it we wouldn't have this problem.


    Ya we'd all be in prison


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    #96
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

    Thats utter rubbish, the government would take it in a different way.


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    #97
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    What have you got against single parents though. Be honest, whats the problem?

    Nothing. Nothing at all. Where have I indicated i've something against single parents? You're getting very very sensitive here.

    Also, you seem to be an economic expert here. Mind clearing up your "post of the year" from earlier? You're denying that eradication of social welfare fraud would lead to lack of spending in Social Welfare......... is this correct?

    I'm not sure if it's scarier that you failed to understand simple budgetry procedure in your retort or the fact that others agreed with it.

    PS: I don't teach Economics but I am qualified to lecture Economics if that helps you.


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    #98
    Owryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    I reported someone about a year ago, claiming loan parents but living with her partner. He earns in excess of a grand a week and has property in dublin too.

    They run up gas n esb bills then go to their cwo to get whatever they can. Its sickening to see the way they are abusing the system.

    Had no problem reporting them at all. I agree not everyone is a fraud but there are plenty to give all lone parents a bad name.


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    #99
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    A LOT of people would do this. It has reletively minimal effects on the future of the child when compared to the benefits for the parent who looks to do such a thing in order to manipulate the state. If you don't believe people do this, then I can assure you you're wrong.
    What about the politicians that manipulate the state, or the bankers, or the property developers? Why dont you have a go at them rather than picking on the poor?


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    #100
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    Why do you dislike lone parents so much?

    Where have I said I dislike lone parents? Could you indocate to me where I have either said this or eluded to this.
    Offy wrote: »
    Thats utter rubbish, the government would take it in a different way.

    Not the point I was making. The point I was making was that eradicating Social Welfare fraud would reduce spending in Social Welfare. You seem to disagree with this, may I ask why? it's a simple concept.


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    #101
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    I think there is a lot of talk from the current minister for social devastation(thanks david Norris for that one) about fraud and particular OPFA, which seems to justify for all the right wingers that wrongly stereotypes OPFA as young, uneducated and sitting on their ass getting every possible allowance know to man,and opening our legs to every known man along with it, 4*4 anyone , like Handy Sandy off bloody republic of telly, when it's simply not true, average age is 37 and we are educated And also compared to other European country's who have fantastic childcare facilities which allow a lot of people to go back retrain/college/work we have nothing in Ireland unless your willing to pay excessive prices, my older bro is in France and he is pretty much sorted childcare wise + lack of any job creation in this country, just seen Sean Sherlock on pt tonight, if we want more money in coffers we need people back working but they are doing zero


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    #102
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    What about the politicians that manipulate the state, or the bankers, or the property developers? Why dont you have a go at them rather than picking on the poor?

    I have had a go at them. This isn't a thread about bankers, it's a thread about welfare fraud.

    Having a go at bankers would be off topic.

    also, I havent had a go at people on Social Welfare, I simply said people engaging in Social Welfare fraud are commiting fraud, what's the problem with that?


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    #103
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Mind clearing up your "post of the year" from earlier?

    fedor didnt say that, I did, try reading it again.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    PS: I don't teach Economics but I am qualified to lecture Economics if that helps you.

    Im afraid it doesnt.


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    #104
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Nothing. Nothing at all. Where have I indicated i've something against single parents? You're getting very very sensitive here.

    Also, you seem to be an economic expert here. Mind clearing up your "post of the year" from earlier? You're denying that eradication of social welfare fraud would lead to lack of spending in Social Welfare......... is this correct?

    I'm not sure if it's scarier that you failed to understand simple budgetry procedure in your retort or the fact that others agreed with it.

    PS: I don't teach Economics but I am qualified to lecture Economics if that helps you.


    This is why the country is in the state it is, you should have known what was coming down the line economically but you did nothing. You were too busy spying on lone parents


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    #105
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I have had a go at them. This isn't a thread about bankers, it's a thread about welfare fraud.

    Having a go at bankers would be off topic.

    also, I havent had a go at people on Social Welfare, I simply said people engaging in Social Welfare fraud are commiting fraud, what's the problem with that?

    Its old and boring. We are sick to death of this thread, like I said it been done to death.


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    #106
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    This is why the country is in the state it is, you should have known what was coming down the line economically but you did nothing. You were too busy spying on lone parents

    +1


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    #107
    ziggy23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    This pisses me off so much. I'm a genuine lone parent my son's father pays nothing towards him doesnt want to see him cos he is a sh1tebag:mad: The amount of people I've heard of living with their partners and claiming OPFP. They are the ones who give genuine folk a bad name. There is never any house checks done just a letter every 6 months or so to say you are still entitled to it.


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    #108
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    fedor didnt say that, I did, try reading it again.

    The post you were quoting was a reply to Fedor, try reading it again.
    Im afraid it doesnt.

    The post you were quoting was a reply to Fedor, try reading it again.


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    #109
    Ledger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Ledger


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    This is why the country is in the state it is, you should have known what was coming down the line economically but you did nothing. You were too busy spying on lone parents

    How would a lecturer change how the banks ran their business and how developers borrowed? Get back in your box.


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    #110
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    The post you were quoting was a reply to Fedor, try reading it again.



    The post you were quoting was a reply to Fedor, try reading it again.

    Well at least your funny :)


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    #111
    Ms. Pingui
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ms. Pingui


    Owryan wrote: »
    I reported someone about a year ago, claiming loan parents but living with her partner. He earns in excess of a grand a week and has property in dublin too.

    They run up gas n esb bills then go to their cwo to get whatever they can. Its sickening to see the way they are abusing the system.

    Had no problem reporting them at all. I agree not everyone is a fraud but there are plenty to give all lone parents a bad name.

    How do you know who's claiming what though? I would barely know what people in my own close family are earning/ claiming, let alone complete strangers!


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    #112
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    This is why the country is in the state it is, you should have known what was coming down the line economically but you did nothing. You were too busy spying on lone parents

    What are you on about now? I am not an Economist, nor a Govt. minister or even work in Economics.

    I'll ask again, do you deny that eradicating Social Welfare fraud would cut spending in Social Welfare? It's a simple question but you seem to keep dodging it.


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    #113
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Ledger wrote: »
    How would a lecturer change how the banks ran their business and how developers borrowed? Get back in your box.



    My box:confused: eh.....ok


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    #114
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Ms. Pingui wrote: »
    How do you know who's claiming what though? I would barely know what people in my own close family are earning/ claiming, let alone complete strangers!

    Is that because you mind your own business?


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    #115
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    What are you on about now? I am not an Economist, nor a Govt. minister or even work in Economics.

    I'll ask again, do you deny that eradicating Social Welfare fraud would cut spending in Social Welfare? It's a simple question but you seem to keep dodging it.

    The answer is NO.


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    #116
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    Well at least you're funny :)

    I can also spell.

    Now, if you're like to get back to the topic at hand please? i've no idea why you think I have anything against lone parents. I do not. I have something against those who are defrauding the state though.


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    #117
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    What are you on about now? I am not an Economist, nor a Govt. minister or even work in Economics.

    I'll ask again, do you deny that eradicating Social Welfare fraud would cut spending in Social Welfare? It's a simple question but you seem to keep dodging it.


    Never said you were or did


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    #118
    Ledger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Ledger


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    My box:confused: eh.....ok

    As usual you ignore the important part of the post. Ok so, why didn't you do something about the way things went?


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    #119
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Offy wrote: »
    The answer is NO.

    Again, I wasn't talking to you but since I asked you earlier and you didn't answer i'll ask you this time.

    So, you think that the Social eradicating all of the payments they need to make to those defrauding the state, Social Welfare spending wouldn't come down?

    May I ask you to explain how you think this works?


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    #120
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I can also spell.

    Now, if you're like to get back to the topic at hand please? i've no idea why you think I have anything against lone parents. I do not. I have something against those who are defrauding the state though.

    Then pick a thread that doesnt have a title of "One-Parent Family Payment" to post in, that might help! Theres loads of fraud going on but this thread is titled "One-Parent Family Payment" NOT social welfare fraud.


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    #121
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Ledger wrote: »
    As usual you ignore the important part of the post. Ok so, why didn't you do something about the way things went?


    Why, how did things go?


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