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Tralee to Fenit Greenway

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 pooka on wheels


    amadain wrote: »
    Just noticed in the nearby townland of Ballynahoulort (again shortly after the Fenit and Limerick lines split BUT on the Fenit line) the first house called "Shinawill" seems to have BUILT ON THE LINE, with what looks like a concrete yard and store ???

    An appropriately named house :eek:

    They might yet open a coffee/gift shop to passing tourists !

    (Search "Ballynahoulort Tralee" on Google maps)


    That building is built on CIE ground beside the rails. The occupant carries on a buisness there repairing pallets. In recent times he concreted over the line and uses the area for parking. It is only since the move to establish the greenway that he erected gates enclosing and blocking the route. I will try and get a photo over the weekend. To be fair to the occupants of Shinwill, which is an old railway cottage, I dont think they are connected to the pallet business


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    amadain wrote: »
    Just noticed in the nearby townland of Ballynahoulort (again shortly after the Fenit and Limerick lines split BUT on the Fenit line) the first house called "Shinawill" seems to have BUILT ON THE LINE, with what looks like a concrete yard and store ???

    An appropriately named house :eek:

    They might yet open a coffee/gift shop to passing tourists !

    (Search "Ballynahoulort Tralee" on Google maps)

    They can start digging up the concrete yard.

    What is it about Kerry?

    Probably the most scenic county in Ireland, yet gob****es push it beyond the limit in terms of planning.

    Even pre Celtic Tiger, houses were built without planning permission, garages outbuildings erected without any consideration for the environment let alone thought to planning regs.

    I have no sympathy for these gombeens who are holding up the Trailway.

    It is not their land,the contractor for the project should be given permission to simply drive the machinery through and continue on .


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They can start digging up the concrete yard.

    What is it about Kerry?

    Probably the most scenic county in Ireland, yet gob****es push it beyond the limit in terms of planning.

    Even pre Celtic Tiger, houses were built without planning permission, garages outbuildings erected without any consideration for the environment let alone thought to planning regs.

    I have no sympathy for these gombeens who are holding up the Trailway.

    It is not their land,the contractor for the project should be given permission to simply drive the machinery through and continue on .
    Absolutely. Ah shur, build it anyway and apply for retention.

    My parents moved near Listowel in 1996. Their solicitor missed it, but it turned out that the two extensions to the house were built without planning permission. We had to apply for retention, which luckily we got.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    That building is built on CIE ground beside the rails. The occupant carries on a buisness there repairing pallets. In recent times he concreted over the line and uses the area for parking. It is only since the move to establish the greenway that he erected gates enclosing and blocking the route. I will try and get a photo over the weekend. To be fair to the occupants of Shinwill, which is an old railway cottage, I dont think they are connected to the pallet business

    Whoever gave this guy permission to carry on a commercial business activity at that location?
    He has built on land not belonging to him..mmmmmmmmmm!
    Send in the crane and wrecking ball.!!!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Squatters Rights take much longer to establish where the land is state owned, it requires 30 years rather than 10-12 as would be the case with privately owned lands.

    None of Tralee - Fenit or Tralee - Limerick or Athenry - Colooney have been continually squatted for that long. CIE can send a bulldozer in a straight line through their own property at any time. They might see a bush a few 100 yards down the line that they think needs clearing.

    Single these squatters out for a septic tank inspection every 2 months and they will get the message soon enough, make sure that Listowel councillor is treated as equitably as the squatters. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 pooka on wheels


    Whoever gave this guy permission to carry on a commercial business activity at that location?
    He has built on land not belonging to him..mmmmmmmmmm!
    Send in the crane and wrecking ball.!!!!!

    "Permission" - What's that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Karsini wrote: »
    Absolutely. Ah shur, build it anyway and apply for retention.

    My parents moved near Listowel in 1996. Their solicitor missed it, but it turned out that the two extensions to the house were built without planning permission. We had to apply for retention, which luckily we got.

    You were lucky.

    Nothing would surprise me, it is like the wild west!

    Their solicitor missed it! Kerry based?;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    "Permission" - What's that.

    A little known fact about the Achill greenway is that it is still owned by the farmers who bought it 60 or more years ago.

    The Achill Greenway went ahead after these farmers gave permission for it ....all 160 of them. The same principle would apply were a greenway proposed on the Tralee - Dingle line....or at least on the usable section west of Camp...the rest of it is destroyed be bungalows. Same on the railway towards Caherciveen of course although that is pretty much intact.

    Look up "Permissive Access" at some stage, Permissive Access can be withdrawn...one must normally give notice of perhaps one year first and the greenway must reroute by the end of it.

    The first stage of reopening would be for a local community based campaign to go to all the landowners along those routes, explain permissive access properly, and see if they would support the IDEA in principle....not the same as giving permission. Then present Tourism Minister The Bull Deenihan
    Varadkar with the results of this survey.

    None of the 160 landowners along the Achill Greenway have withdrawn permission that I know of. I am aware of others who have been asked for and granted permissive access on their lands and where these are not old railway alignments in Mayo since the Greenway opened.

    I think the same will be true in Kerry after one successful Greenway is finally completed down there. Best of luck to ye. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    "Permission" - What's that.

    Permission is doing the exact opposite to planning regulations.

    Shur twill be grand out lads!:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Squatters Rights take much longer to establish where the land is state owned, it requires 30 years rather than 10-12 as would be the case with privately owned lands.

    None of Tralee - Fenit or Tralee - Limerick or Athenry - Colooney have been continually squatted for that long. CIE can send a bulldozer in a straight line through their own property at any time. They might see a bush a few 100 yards down the line that they think needs clearing.

    Single these squatters out for a septic tank inspection every 2 months and they will get the message soon enough, make sure that Listowel councillor is treated as equitably as the squatters. :)

    Many thanks,glad to hear that CIE can send in a bulldozerand clear the line. I can,t fathom why they don't just get on and do it.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Many thanks,glad to hear that CIE can send in a bulldozerand clear the line. I can,t fathom why they don't just get on and do it.

    They are a tad overly sensitive to the fact that Deenihan would be stuck in meetings with misc.gobdaws that he might have hurled against in a 1961 County Junior semi final, or something like that, is why.

    The best thing for CIE to do is to first explain fthe law to Deenihan and then announce their 2013 line junk clearance program.

    Do let Deenihan have his inevitable meetiings....and finally, a few weeks later, just clear the shagging things.

    After they reassert state ownership by clearing the lines the 30 year clock will start again and the gobdaws won't have the heart to continue their crap.

    I'm sure CIE will be glad to be shot of the lot for the price of hiring a bulldozer for a week and ringing the guards to tell them when they are driving it. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    They are a tad overly sensitive to the fact that Deenihan would be stuck in meetings with misc.gobdaws that he might have hurled against in a 1961 County Junior semi final, or something like that, is why.

    The best thing for CIE to do is to first explain fthe law to Deenihan and then announce their 2013 line junk clearance program.

    Do let Deenihan have his inevitable meetiings....and finally, a few weeks later, just clear the shagging things.

    After they reassert state ownership by clearing the lines the 30 year clock will start again and the gobdaws won't have the heart to continue their crap.

    I'm sure CIE will be glad to be shot of the lot for the price of hiring a bulldozer for a week and ringing the guards to tell them when they are driving it.
    :D

    Thank you, I am all in favour of getting this project moved on for the greater good of the County and Tourism.
    Minister Deenihan has my sympathies, it is an awful waste of his time having to listen to and placate gombeens,,but that is how Politics works in this country, parish pump mentality, never see the bigger picture and The Field!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Hopefully when the Tralee Fenit line project is completed, we can persuade the joggers and cyclists and walkers to use the facility as opposed to the roadway.
    It is amazing there has not been a serious accident on the road involving a motor vehicle and joggers or cyclists.
    The road from Tralee to Spa and Fenit is too narrow, with blind bends, often obstructing drivers views to be faced with with joggers running 3 &4 abreast running towards them.
    The sooner the project is completed the better.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    amadain wrote: »
    Just noticed in the nearby townland of Ballynahoulort (again shortly after the Fenit and Limerick lines split BUT on the Fenit line) the first house called "Shinawill" seems to have BUILT ON THE LINE, with what looks like a concrete yard and store ???

    An appropriately named house :eek:

    They might yet open a coffee/gift shop to passing tourists !

    (Search "Ballynahoulort Tralee" on Google maps)

    Another example here http://goo.gl/maps/qP2p1

    Although, looking how that building is so close to the line I'm guessing it was a railway level crossing cottage at one point. Either way, bulldozer or slight diversion and everyones happy.

    And thats one sad looking donkey across the road :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    RikkFlair wrote: »
    Another example here http://goo.gl/maps/qP2p1

    Although, looking how that building is so close to the line I'm guessing it was a railway level crossing cottage at one point. Either way, bulldozer or slight diversion and everyones happy.

    And thats one sad looking donkey across the road :(

    Looks like an LC cottage to me, the different sized windows and the colours of the slate indicate it was extended, those cottages were quite poky.

    And the donkey does look a bit sad...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy




  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    CIE HAS insisted that it will fight any attempt by North Kerry farmers to claim ownership of the old Limerick-Tralee railway line.

    A row over the property erupted two weeks ago when protesting farmers erected a barricade on the Kerry border outside Abbeyfeale to block 150 leisure walkers from accessing the disused line.
    The farmers, who have formed a protest body called the North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group, are currently in dispute with CIE over the ownership of the old line, which could be worth up to €1 million.

    However a spokesperson for CIE told the Limerick Leader that the rail line is its property, and will remain so.
    “It is a legal issue at the moment. But the land registry clearly states that the land is in our ownership, and we will continue to assert that”.

    The controversy has been sparked by plans to extend the Great Southern Trail, a walking and cycling route which runs along the old rail line from Rathkeale to the Kerry border, into county Kerry.
    A tense stand-off took place for over three hours between farmers and walkers on February 2, after a barricade was erected on the border at Kilmorna to coincide with an organised leisure walk.

    The incremental development of the Great Southern Trail in West Limerick has been carried out with funding from various statutory bodies, as part of a licensing agreement with CIE. The old railway line, which had its last scheduled passenger train in 1963, retains a public right-of-way.
    The CIE spokesperson said that it is “very keen” for the trail to be extended into Kerry under the existing terms in force in Limerick. “We aren’t using the line and aren’t likely to again for the foreseeable future”.
    However, the spokesperson said that it is important that the line remains in public ownership as it remains part of the national infrastructure grid, and is home to underground fibre optic cabling.

    The stand-off between farmers and walkers on the border drew national media attention. Abbeyfeale-based Fine Gael councillor, Liam Galvin, urged all parties involved to engage in dialogue and seek a compromise solution.
    “What happened the last day shouldn’t have happened. That’s not going to solve anything. I think all parties need to sit down and discuss the issues, so that they could all come to a proper agreement.
    “There are a lot of farmers back there, and in fairness to them some of them do have genuine concerns. Dairy farmers need to bring their cattle in twice a day, and some of them have to cross that line to get there”.

    Cllr Francis Foley said that the success of the Great Southern Trail in Limerick should reassure Kerry farmers that the development is nothing to fear.
    “Negotiation and dialogue is the way forward. The trail is an ideal way to promote local tourism, and I would hope that the people on the Kerry side can embrace this going forward.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    amadain wrote: »
    CIE HAS insisted that it will fight any attempt by North Kerry farmers to claim ownership of the old Limerick-Tralee railway line.

    A row over the property erupted two weeks ago when protesting farmers erected a barricade on the Kerry border outside Abbeyfeale to block 150 leisure walkers from accessing the disused line.
    The farmers, who have formed a protest body called the North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group, are currently in dispute with CIE over the ownership of the old line, which could be worth up to €1 million.

    However a spokesperson for CIE told the Limerick Leader that the rail line is its property, and will remain so.
    “It is a legal issue at the moment. But the land registry clearly states that the land is in our ownership, and we will continue to assert that”.


    The controversy has been sparked by plans to extend the Great Southern Trail, a walking and cycling route which runs along the old rail line from Rathkeale to the Kerry border, into county Kerry.
    A tense stand-off took place for over three hours between farmers and walkers on February 2, after a barricade was erected on the border at Kilmorna to coincide with an organised leisure walk.



    The incremental development of the Great Southern Trail in West Limerick has been carried out with funding from various statutory bodies, as part of a licensing agreement with CIE. The old railway line, which had its last scheduled passenger train in 1963, retains a public right-of-way.
    The CIE spokesperson said that it is “very keen” for the trail to be extended into Kerry under the existing terms in force in Limerick. “We aren’t using the line and aren’t likely to again for the foreseeable future”.
    However, the spokesperson said that it is important that the line remains in public ownership as it remains part of the national infrastructure grid, and is home to underground fibre optic cabling.

    The stand-off between farmers and walkers on the border drew national media attention. Abbeyfeale-based Fine Gael councillor, Liam Galvin, urged all parties involved to engage in dialogue and seek a compromise solution.
    “What happened the last day shouldn’t have happened. That’s not going to solve anything. I think all parties need to sit down and discuss the issues, so that they could all come to a proper agreement.
    “There are a lot of farmers back there, and in fairness to them some of them do have genuine concerns. Dairy farmers need to bring their cattle in twice a day, and some of them have to cross that line to get there”.

    Cllr Francis Foley said that the success of the Great Southern Trail in Limerick should reassure Kerry farmers that the development is nothing to fear.
    “Negotiation and dialogue is the way forward. The trail is an ideal way to promote local tourism, and I would hope that the people on the Kerry side can embrace this going forward.”

    Thank you very interesting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    amadain wrote: »
    Abbeyfeale-based Fine Gael councillor, Liam Galvin, urged all parties involved to engage in dialogue and seek a compromise solution.
    “What happened the last day shouldn’t have happened. That’s not going to solve anything. I think all parties need to sit down and discuss the issues, so that they could all come to a proper agreement.
    “There are a lot of farmers back there, and in fairness to them some of them do have genuine concerns. Dairy farmers need to bring their cattle in twice a day, and some of them have to cross that line to get there”.
    Liam, that's a crock of sh1t. Getting cattle back and forth across the line is not the concern of these people - it's having to surrender illegally-occupied land that's the problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    Picked this up from the Soc / Commuting & Transport / "Western Rail Corridor" Thread.

    [QUOTE=Quackster;80638758]As far as I'm aware, this line hasn't been formally abandoned and therefore the Act of Parliament establishing it hasn't been repealed. In that case, the permanent way is protected by statute law so (as statute law trumps common law) adverse possession cannot take place, no matter how long a person swats on it.

    Of course, the actuality of removing said swatter(s) is another matter due to the time and resources consumed in taking legal action. We're currently suffering such a problem here in Kerry trying to develop the Tralee to Fenit Greenway.[/QUOTE]

    The Tralee/Fenit line has not been abandoned so it's only a matter of time. TIME TO NAME AND SHAME !


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    CIE is perfectly entitled to inspect their line with a Caterpillar D-9 at any time they wish. Giving notice that they fully intend to do so this month would be a good start. :)

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqayaahMcR06mllAn-7lFvi0yV2GIYRkyti2NRwAnZv-xtrAI5


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    amadain wrote: »
    Picked this up from the Soc / Commuting & Transport / "Western Rail Corridor" Thread.



    The Tralee/Fenit line has not been abandoned so it's only a matter of time. TIME TO NAME AND SHAME !

    Yeah , time to name and shame. Perhaps the names could be highlighted on the flashing signage at Kellihers Garage?:cool:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Ground Zero has moved back to the Kerry Border Barricade east of Listowel. :)

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/local-business/farmers-blocking-plans-to-extend-limerick-walking-trail-told-to-back-off-1-4967494
    The farmers, who have set up the North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group, are claiming ownership :D of the old railway line, which could worth up to €1 million. However CIE is insisting that it holds the deeds to the property, which has remained a public right of way.

    and

    a recent meeting between CIE and representatives of the North Kerry farmers has not progressed the stand-off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Ground Zero has moved back to the Kerry Border Barricade east of Listowel. :)

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/local-business/farmers-blocking-plans-to-extend-limerick-walking-trail-told-to-back-off-1-4967494[/QUOTE]

    Would these people kindly fcuk off? Hopefully CIE will put them back in their boxes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Word on the street is that there was yet another tranche of funding available for projects such as this with a deadline recently, and yet again KCC have not applied for a penny for the North Kerry Railway despite the project being an objective of the county development plan.*

    * hearsay, I could be totally wrong here [hopefully]

    In other news KCC are reaching the citizens of Kerry for input on what should be in the next county plan...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    I just passed the upper end of the first section and it looks like the final surface is being laid today. Time to move on to the other side of the road then I hope...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    The surface was laid in a few hours, which makes you wonder why it took so long to do so when the initial surfacing work was completed before xmas ? Anyway was on the route a few time over the weekend and I can't believe how many people are using it, they may have to widen it before long !
    Quaderno wrote: »
    I just passed the upper end of the first section and it looks like the final surface is being laid today. Time to move on to the other side of the road then I hope...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    kingdumb wrote: »
    The surface was laid in a few hours, which makes you wonder why it took so long to do so when the initial surfacing work was completed before xmas ? Anyway was on the route a few time over the weekend and I can't believe how many people are using it, they may have to widen it before long !
    Which section were you on? From the Tralee end or the Mounthawk end?

    And have they removed the wall at the Tralee end?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Yes they have removed that wall. It is now time to proceed work on the rest of the lien to Feint.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    It is open between Rock Street and Mounthawk, although the Mounthawk entrance is not complete, but you can sill access it there.

    Yes the wall is gone, there is a photo up here:
    http://traleetofenitcycleway.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/more-progress/
    serfboard wrote: »
    Which section were you on? From the Tralee end or the Mounthawk end?

    And have they removed the wall at the Tralee end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭groovie


    I cycled this on Saturday, from Fat Mile to Rock Street. Super stuff. They need to put up a 'doggie bag' dispenser though, I didn't appreciate having to dodge several bits of 'doggy doo' on my spin. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭RevBlueJeans


    kingdumb wrote: »
    The surface was laid in a few hours, which makes you wonder why it took so long to do so when the initial surfacing work was completed before xmas ?

    Most hot tar works like this occur duning the summer months when the tar plants are operating and the days are long and the ambient temperatures are a little higher than at Christmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭TigerTim


    groovie wrote: »
    I cycled this on Saturday, from Fat Mile to Rock Street. Super stuff. They need to put up a 'doggie bag' dispenser though, I didn't appreciate having to dodge several bits of 'doggy doo' on my spin. :(

    I walked it at Christmas on the old surface & it was destroyed with dog poo. Walked is just after new surface was put down & noticed how devoid of dog poo it was. Guess it didn't take long to get filthy again.

    T,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    Unless KCC punish the owners of these culprits it will be called the Tralee to Fenit BrownWay.

    It is not much point in having expensive signage about fines unless there is actual policing of it. A couple of heavy fines and dog owners wouldn't be long getting the message.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭snams


    Any news when they are going to finish the walkway?

    I know the path is finished and it looks lovely as I'm using it frequently but there are no rubbish bins, benches, soil or gravel on the sides of the walkway, etc.

    I agree with the other posters that "doggie bags" dispensers at the both sides of the walkway are sorely missed, the place is plagued with poops.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Is it wandering dogs or accompanied dogs that are making all the crap?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭flanders1979


    Is it wandering dogs or accompanied dogs that are making all the crap?

    Its high time somebody rubbed the owners noses in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    Interesting and somewhat related: http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/e50000-allocated-for-greenway-on-old-glenbeigh-to-caherciveenrenard-railway-line/
    €50,000 has been allocated for the development of a greenway along the old Glenbeigh to Caherciveen/Renard railway line. (...) This route will mirror the iconic Ring of Kerry, and the long term objective is to develop a Ring of Kerry cycleway. (...)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Unless KCC punish the owners of these culprits it will be called the Tralee to Fenit BrownWay.

    It is not much point in having expensive signage about fines unless there is actual policing of it. A couple of heavy fines and dog owners wouldn't be long getting the message.

    Even wose it may become known as Dog **** Alley!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    This is good news, but I find it funny that KCC applied for the money to develop a cycle way on private land while refusing to apply for the same funding for the North Kerry railway which is still in state ownership and is a project that the minister for transport has indicated that he would like developed.

    Quaderno wrote: »


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    kingdumb wrote: »
    This is good news, but I find it funny that KCC applied for the money to develop a cycle way on private land while refusing to apply for the same funding for the North Kerry railway which is still in state ownership and is a project that the minister for transport has indicated that he would like developed.
    Nail. On. Head.

    Why? Because this way they can distribute moolah to locals under the guise of building a greenway.

    On the North Kerry side, they would have to confront some locals who are squatting on state land, and they ain't gonna do that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    serfboard wrote: »
    Nail. On. Head.

    Why? Because this way they can distribute moolah to locals under the guise of building a greenway.

    On the North Kerry side, they would have to confront some locals who are squatting on state land, and they ain't gonna do that.

    It's CIE's land, not KCC.
    It's up to CIE to give the rednecks the bums rush and CIE's property dept moves as a pace that can be best described as 'glacial'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭groovie


    Looks like the stretch from Rock Street to Mount Hawk has been christened "The Skinny Mile", to distinguish it from "The Fat Mile", no doubt. It measures approx. 1.18 miles, according to Map My Ride.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    I understand the CIE issues, but Kerry CoCo had no problems sorting out any ownership/planning/funding when they wanted built a road on the land in Listowel, I also doubt they went pandering to any 'objectors' or 'landowners'.
    It's CIE's land, not KCC.
    It's up to CIE to give the rednecks the bums rush and CIE's property dept moves as a pace that can be best described as 'glacial'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    kingdumb wrote: »
    I understand the CIE issues, but Kerry CoCo had no problems sorting out any ownership/planning/funding when they wanted built a road on the land in Listowel, I also doubt they went pandering to any 'objectors' or 'landowners'.

    On whose land? CIE's or a local's? For the latter there are compulsory purchase orders I believe. For the former, there would have to be some point of contact between the CC and CIE.

    Basically, the rednecks want to use the trackbed to feed cattle on and move cattle around, store rotten old silage bales on without being bothered by brightly attired cyclists and walkers stepping into cow sh!te, i.e. treat it as if they owned the place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Basically, the rednecks want to use the trackbed to feed cattle on and move cattle around, store rotten old silage bales on without being bothered by brightly attired cyclists and walkers stepping into cow sh!te, i.e. treat it as if they owned the place.
    Yep, it's a land grab, pure and simple, and it should not be allowed/tolerated.

    Anyone know if Deenihan has made any comment on this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    His party colleague is one of the ringleader !
    serfboard wrote: »
    Yep, it's a land grab, pure and simple, and it should not be allowed/tolerated.

    Anyone know if Deenihan has made any comment on this?

    The ring road, was that not built on the railway line, similar to the the road at Banagh gap and the Rathkeale ?

    No problem building roads in this county, but when you mention cycle facilities 'issues' come into play.
    On whose land? CIE's or a local's? For the latter there are compulsory purchase orders I believe. For the former, there would have to be some point of contact between the CC and CIE.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    serfboard wrote: »
    Yep, it's a land grab, pure and simple, and it should not be allowed/tolerated.

    Anyone know if Deenihan has made any comment on this?

    Don't know. However the issue needs to be sorted.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    I just want to leave that here for future reference:
    KCC doesn’t have funding to progress development of Great Southern
    Tuesday, September 17th, 2013 at 11:19 am.

    Kerry County Council says it doesn’t have the resources to progress development of the Great Southern Trail. The old rail line from Limerick to Tralee has been cleared for use as a recreational greenway in west Limerick and there are hopes to extend the project into Kerry.

    Previously Listowel Town Council has called on the local authority to support the development of the Listowel Rail Line Greenway as a recreation and tourist amenity. The Great Southern Trails has also criticised Kerry County Council for what it claimed was inaction on seeking funding for the greenway. A group known as the North Kerry Abandoned Rail Line Action Group is objecting to the development. Responding to a motion by Sinn Féin Councillor Toiréasa Ferris, Kerry County Council says it’s involved in progressing four other trails in Kerry. These are the Glenbeigh to Reenard trail, Fossa Loop, Tralee/Fenit cycleway, and Ballyseedy/Tralee/Spa walk and cycleway. Nationwide funding of €6.5m is available from the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport.Kerry County Council says the allocation of this funding is by means of a competition, and as a result, the local authority must concentrate its efforts to these four walks. An engineer has been appointed by Kerry County Council to oversee work on thes these walks.


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