General Star Trek thread

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123232134#Comment_123232134

No idea but it's called Ruling in Hell.

McFly85

Rumours about the Janeway show still circulating(mainly by Mulgrew not turning it down emphatically).

Star Trek is in a weird place these days. Executives want to make shows but dont seem to believe that the 50 years of world building are enough to get people to watch so they need to bring familiar characters back to the screen, but then ignore all but the most basic things about the character(or they act like different people entirely), and then wonder why people don’t like it.

They’d actually be much easier on themselves if they just went with what has worked before - a new crew! You don’t have to worry about much of what’s come before and can just do shows about humanity in space.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123243453#Comment_123243453

I have about as much interest in a dedicated Janeway series, as I do in the next season of Love Island. I really enjoyed SNW, but the retconning of certain characters annoyed me. However it does show they can write new story lines involving new(ish) characters when they want to.

AMKC

Now This could be good if Paramount or whoever iwn Star Trek these dsy were to make it,

https://youtu.be/2PbOqlimFlo?si=inFNmeNV2MmB7JdS

What do ye think. I like aome parts if it not all of it.

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123262633#Comment_123262633

The work gone into it is incredible, but subjectively anyway it just reeks of Discovery and Picard for me. I know the original opening sequence is a couple of flyby shots and nothing special, but it DID capture the notion that DS9 Is a station out on its own, in isolation (until the Season 4 intro).

This, for me, misses the point. It's all flash, no soul.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123262633#Comment_123262633

It's all pretty well made. The score could have done with some more variation, it's all far too soft. Other than that, nicely done.

AMKC

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/star-trek-ronald-d-moore-on-franchise-burnout-possibly-returning/

What do think?

I would have no problem with him returning to the Franchise if he done something brilliant in the Prime Universe after the 24th century say in the 25th or 26th Centurys. Bring it on.

Also,

https://www.space.com/entertainment/punch-it-star-trek-strange-new-worlds-season-4-starts-filming-before-season-3-even-airs

How about they just air season 3 of SNW sooner hopefully than later. It would not surprise me if season 5 was confirmed as soon as season 3 airs which is good with me.

fritzelly

Well I laughed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRk2nxjYHM

breezy1985

It would have saved us watching Voyager ruin itself with the Borg 🤣

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123288908#Comment_123288908

Lol

AMKC

You mean ruin the Borg.

AMKC

In the Voyager episode "30 days" The one with water world and the Moneans. Tom Paris says the Ocean has become unstable because they the Moneans are are mining it. How could they mine it if there is no land at all above or below the water. Never made sense unless they were taking the water away.

somuj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123294082#Comment_123294082

Oxygen extraction.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123288908#Comment_123288908

Kind of reminds me of how annoying a plot device the Spore Drive was in Discovery. It's akin to playing a shoot'em up in God Mode. Like…why even bother?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123295328#Comment_123295328

Transwarp conduits became the same. Just far to convenient.

Or the way warp just seems to be instantaneous now when the plot demands it. Picard was terrible for it.

eadrom

It's one of the reasons these shows work better as episodic television rather than a single serialised season-long story.

An episode can start as they're arriving at a new planet, take place on that planet, then finish with them setting off somewhere else. The time it takes to get to next weeks planet (or station or anomaly or whatever) is up to the viewer to imagine.

With everything so serialised they need to be on Earth, then Vulcan, then Qo'nos effectively in one afternoon — even if it is 3 episodes (and often it's not even) in TV time. I'm sure that's why a spore drive sounded good in the writers room.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123295328#Comment_123295328

Don't judge me ok…

In the beginning, I liked the spore drive. The micellium network was new and different. But of course, it got over used. Then it turns out their use of the micellium network was damaging the network. Having to use a captive tardigrade to accurately traverse the network very much went against the usual philosophies of Starfleet.

I can easily see, in a situation where Janeway was told they could get Voyager home instantly but they had to catch a tardigrade, and that usage of the network would be tantamount to torture of the creature and cause damage to the network, she would have been in an ethical pickle and ultimately decide they would find another way to get home.

Despite the acknowledged damage it does to the network, and psychological damage it was doing to Stametz, they use it "one last time" to defeat the klingons in a very convoluted attack plan.

As an easy plot device it reminds me of the beaming between ships at warp that was used in Star Trek 2009. Simon Peggs Scotty character has a eureka moment at a critical time and figures out how to beam from one place to another even when that other place is a ship travelling at warp speed. Thereby completely breaking the general laws of physics that have been enshrined in Star Trek since day one. It's just lazy story telling.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296116#Comment_123296116

Into Darkness had a galaxy wide transporter which made the whole premise of Star Trek obsolete.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296227#Comment_123296227

I didn't see into darkness, But that doesn't surprise me. It certainly seems like the kind of direction they were heading in.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296116#Comment_123296116

If it was a post Voyager programme, I'd probably get on board with the spore drive idea too. But the fact they made it Old Scientist tech meant you started asking yourself "How are you going to explain why Voyager never heard of it". Prodigy got it right with its Protostar technology.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296714#Comment_123296714

I wouldn't have been a big fan of that outside of a kids show. It's still the same problem of being too convenient.

Stark

A lot of the issues with season 1 could have been solved by setting it post Voyager and having the silly looking Klingons be a new species imo. When you remove those gripes, it was a solid enough season of entertaining television imo.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296847#Comment_123296847

Actually the "remain Klingon" plot works way better post Voyager than it did pre TOS.

Post Dominion war imagine the backlash when Mortok signs some "soft prissy" Federation led surrender deal with the Dominion. The Klingons we saw in "For the Battle" wouldn't have accepted any surrender and half the empire would be itching for a bit of genocide against the Cardassians and Breen. Far more creeping Federation cultural interference in that era.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296847#Comment_123296847

Absolutely. Large parts of Disco could have worked in a post-VOY era. Trying to retcon it into the TOS era was part of its downfall.

The best thing about Disco was it opened the door for SNW.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123296847#Comment_123296847

"A lot of the issues with season 1 could have been solved by setting it post Voyager and having the silly looking Klingons be a new species imo. When you remove"

Exactly. That's what them fake Klingons shoukd have been. A whole new species and yes I agree it shoukd have been ser post Voyager.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123297773#Comment_123297773

The Best thing. It was the only good thing about Disco.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123297810#Comment_123297810

I debated typing "only", but there were a few bits I did like. I'm paying homage to Picard by being diplomatic :P

breezy1985

SNW would also be better off as a post VOY show. There is nothing really about most of the plots that wouldn't carry over. All you lose is Spock and the captain's backstory and Spock is the worst thing about the show.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123297878#Comment_123297878

I disagree. I think it works in it's current era. The fashions and tech. I would definitely drop Spock, and the original crew though. Except Pike and the new characters.

JayRoc

I finally finished Enterprise yesterday. Considering I started watching it on its release (having to buy a VHS every two weeks was the only way to see it in those days) that was a long trip.

I got one season in and couldn't stomach any more so I gave up.

I decided to give it another bash a few months ago (after rewatching Voyager for the first time since its release late last year) and they're certainly up there (down there?) as the two worst ST series. (Discovery doesn't count because Discovery didn't happen)

But the last half of the 4th season, just as cancellation loomed, showed us what the show could have been. The penultimate episode (Terra Prime) had the best acting (Billingsley) and the most affecting storyline in the whole show. Infuriating

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123299994#Comment_123299994

"Considering I started watching it on its release (having to buy a VHS every two weeks was the only way to see it in those days) that was a long trip."

Don't you mean that was a long road, getting from there to here?