ZV registration county allocation ranges

macplaxton

I've made a table:
|Licensing Authority|1st ZV Allocation|Qty|2nd ZV Allocation|Qty|Notes
CW|Carlow|101-300|200|22201-24700|2500|
CN|Cavan|301-500|200|19701-22200|2500|
CE|Clare|501-700|200|17201-19700|2500|
C|Cork|701-1200|500|24701-30700|6000|
DL|Donegal|1201-1400|200|30701-33700|3000|
D|Dublin|5801-6800|1000|7201-17200|10000|
G|Galway|1401-1700|300|33701-36700|3000|
KY|Kerry|1701-2000|300|42201-45200|3000|
KE|Kildare|2001-2200|200|36701-39700|3000|
KK|Kilkenny|2201-2400|200|39701-42200|2500|
LS|Laois|2401-2600|200|57701-60200|2500
LM|Leitrim|2601-2800|200|55201-55700|500
LK|Limerick CC|2801-3000|200|52701-55200|2500
L|Limerick City|6801-7000|200|45201-47700|2500
LD|Longford|3001-3200|200|47701-50200|2500
LH|Louth|3201-3400|200|50201-52700|2500
MO|Mayo|3401-3600|200|65701-68200|2500
MH|Meath|3601-3800|200|60201-63200|3000
MN|Monaghan|3801-3999|200|63201-65700|2500
OY|Offaly|4001-4200|200|68201-70700|2500
RN|Roscommon|4201-4400|200|70701-73200|2500
SO|Sligo|4401-4600|200|73201-75700|2500
TN|Tipperary N|4601-4800|200|75701-78200|2500
TS|Tipperary S|4801-5000|200|78201-80700|2500
W|Waterford|7001-7200|200|80701-83200|2500
WD|Waterford CC|5001-5200|200|83201-85700|2500
WH|Westmeath|5201-5400|200|85701-88200|2500
WX|Wexford|5401-5600|200|91201-94200|3000
WW|Wicklow|5601-5800|200|88201-91200|3000
ZV1 to ZV100 have not been allocated.
ZV1000, ZV2000, ZV3000, ZV4000, ZV5000, ZV6000, ZV7000 & ZV8000 were originally not allocated, but at a later stage were, as all bar ZV7000 have been issued. ZV7000 presumably has been subsequently allocated, but as of now appears unissued. It is unclear if these x000 numbers were issued by the licensing authority they would have come under or as a special issue batch.


Based on the two lists that I seen here on boards.ie and borrowed some time back so I could find them if need be.

The first allocation list:


and the second allocation list:


Now there are some inconsistencies, so please post up and comments and corrections and I'll edit the table.

carchaeologist

While they were not originally meant to have been issued, they subsequently have been, though im not sure if the later ones cost extra to buy.
ZV1000, Bentley
ZV2000, Ford Escort 1.1, but i dont think its still a 1.1 Escort.
ZV3000, Renault 8
ZV4000, Honda 50
ZV5000, VW Beetle
ZV6000, A Volvo
ZV7000, not allocated, yet.
ZV8000, VW Beetle 1303
ZV9000, Rolls Royce Silver Shadow II

Blue850

Carky, sell all that Jap stuff and buy a big Merc. ZV 45069 would look cool on a 450SEL 6.9

carchaeologist

Blue850 wrote: »

Carky, sell all that Jap stuff and buy a big Merc. ZV 45069 would look cool on a 450SEL 6.9

ZV666 is already on a Merc....:D

Blue850

and a sinister looking car it is

macplaxton

carchaeologist wrote: »

While they were not originally meant to have been issued, they subsequently have been, though im not sure if the later ones cost extra to buy.

Under which issuing authority? Presumably the authority they would have come under or are they special cases?

carchaeologist

macplaxton wrote: »

Under which issuing authority? Presumably the authority they would have come under or are they special cases?

I dont know the answer to that. Why were they to be held over in the frst place, was it because they were seen as 'desirable' and thus saleable issues?
When the original ZVs were originally allocated in around 1992 there wasnt the demand to buy or reserve a registration like you can today (For the frankly crazy price of 1000quid!) IIRC?
I dont know at what stages were they issued either, were they sold/issued as special orders? Doubtfull too, as they are on such varied vehicles, including a Honda 50.
My guess is that they were issued by the various authorities as a runout of the old system around about the time of the 5 digit changeover?

The vehicle registration system in this country is always convoluted. Makes things interesting for guys like us trying to figure out the mess...

macplaxton

Another question about the first list is the gap between Kerry and Kildare. Which one got the unaccounted hundred? (between 1901-2000) Kerry?

carchaeologist

macplaxton wrote: »

Another question about the first list is the gap between Kerry and Kildare. Which one got the unaccounted hundred? (between 1901-2000) Kerry?

Kerry, I know of many cars in that range. Wonder was it just a typo on the original list, there would no reason i could see to not allocate those 100 registrations.

carchaeologist

Theres a discrepancy/typo in that original list for Sligo, it should read ZV4401-ZV4601 but it reads ZV4401-ZV4800.

I dont know why they didnt use the entire 9999 availible issues(less the first 100) in the original series, there would have been more numbers availible to each county, why end it at ZV7200?

And whats become of ZV7000....

macplaxton

Table corrected.

The reason for stopping at 7200 in the first allocation was to give Dublin a load of extra 4 digit ZVs which I could benefit from

carchaeologist

Have Dublin finally crossed the 10k barrier and sent the original 4 digit series to the history books?!
I only ask because theres a Vauxhall Royale on DoneDeal and the owner says the registration is ZV 10001?

End of an era!

macplaxton

carchaeologist wrote: »

End of an era!

Perhaps not...

The online Motor Tax records are fairly up-to-date. The last vehicle showing on that as far as I can ascertain is 9889. (same goes for two other online databases)

The "NICE REG NO" is so nice that it isn't attached to the vehicle in the picture.

I have drawn the conclusion that there is still around 100+ to go. At the current rate of issue (30 done since I last registered a car), I reckon that 110 will run out around March next year.:rolleyes:

alastair

The current owner has probably just reserved the number. Which is fair enough - it'll be along in a couple of months.

carchaeologist

alastair wrote: »

The current owner has probably just reserved the number. Which is fair enough - it'll be along in a couple of months.

Fair enough indeed, if he is keeping the car, not sure if the next owner would appriciate waiting a few months for a registration.

Bit of a mystery?

Type 17

alastair wrote: »

The current owner has probably just reserved the number. Which is fair enough - it'll be along in a couple of months.

They might have moved to ZV+5 digits in Dublin early - there is a report on another forum of someone registering a ’78 car on a 78-D reg and being told that they were getting 78-D-120001. When other years (classic and newer) were checked on the system, they were all in the 120xxx range…

Link

carchaeologist

^ Confused.com.

78 D 120.000?? As in one hundred and twenty thousand? Surely a clerical error?

corktina

that cant be right,Theres no sense in that....ZV 120,001 surely...

carchaeologist

corktina wrote: »

that cant be right,Theres no sense in that....ZV 120,001 surely...

No sense maybe, but there's no sense in the fact large parts of the current issues are missing also. Take 66KY as an example, it originally started off at 66KY1 and up from the start of the new system in 1/1/87, then at some point jumped to 66KY500 and continued on from there. This has happens with other KY issues and i have no doubt to other counties aswell.

Also earlier issues like '40s '30s and earlier all started at #1 in 1987 for imports, but again at some they all point jumped to #20. This is plain to see with recently imported cars in this era as they all have 20 or 21 in their registration, As in 35KY21.

He's not saying its the ZVs starting at 120001, just imports on a year plate, presumably so it will be easy for the average joe to spot an import.
At least that's all I can think it could be???

hi5

That will be up to 12 digits for most counties when you take the dashes into consideration,there goes your american style plates:(

carchaeologist

None of these registrations are showing on Cartell, so i think someone is being silly? And its not even April 1st!:D

Silvera

alastair wrote: »

The current owner has probably just reserved the number. Which is fair enough - it'll be along in a couple of months.

I've never heard of anybody being allowed to reserve a 'ZV' plate.
AFAIK, the only plates which can be 'reserved' are plates for new vehicles, e.g. say, for example, if somebody wanted '12-WW-520' for a BMW 520 (and were willing to shell out €1000 for the privilige of course!).

Having said that i have come across cases of s/h imports being issued with 'appropriate' plates, e.g. a 1978 BMW 320 at Terenure Show with the reg '78-D-320' (or was it another county? well. you get what i'm saying) and a 2001 BMW 520 registered in 2005 getting 01-WX-500.

Will the powers-that-be and the IVVCC EVER! get a proper ZV system in place?!!!

For example -

'1 ZV' - '999 ZV' for 1900 - 1920 vehicles
'1000 ZV' - '9999 ZV' for 1920 - 1959 vehicles
'ZVA 1' - 'ZVA 999', 'ZVB 1 - ZVB 999' etc etc etc for 1960 - 1987 vehicles

carchaeologist

Silvera wrote: »

Having said that i have come across cases of s/h imports being issued with 'appropriate' plates, e.g. a 1978 BMW 320 at Terenure Show with the reg '78-D-320' (or was it another county? well. you get what i'm saying) and a 2001 BMW 520 registered in 2005 getting 01-WX-500.

Yep, 86C316 is a BMW 316, a pretty early example of an apropriate reg for an import.

You can still use an unissued registration from a given year in a following year provided you want to pay for it and its not issued.

Anything under 201 is availible for the last few years(2011 back)
They also ****ed this up by charging an extortionate amount for buying the plate, up from 350 to 1000 quid.

macplaxton

carchaeologist wrote: »

None of these registrations are showing on Cartell, so i think someone is being silly? And its not even April 1st!

None of what? I've had a quick check just now. All pointers are to a recent change in issuing policy, commencing 07/12/2011 (co-incidentally post-Budget?).

County Dublin (D) imports (all years) start now from 120001.
County Cork (C) imports (all years) start now from 40001.

No information on new starting points so far for other counties. Perhaps one of a few questions for the Revenue Commissioners.

I'm going to make a guess and suggest that the new starting points are to identify imports registered after a certain date. This would allow the Revenue to easily identify qualifying vehicles for the Budget proposal of refunding the VRT element on permanent exports.:cool: I hardly think it is to help Joe Public identify imports, only perhaps the trade....and anoraks.:o

carchaeologist

I stand corrected. I checked some if the earlier quoted regs on Cartell and I kept getting invalid registration.

Hmm.

Who makes these decisions?

If you think ZV plates look bad, 78D120123 is going to look much worse.

corktina

will it actually fit on a plate?:eek:

I can foresee a good trade in "exporting" end of life vehicles with the approriate number to get the VRT back :cool:

macplaxton

corktina wrote: »

will it actually fit on a plate?:eek:

Yes it will, for two reasons.

Before Dublin exceeded 100,000 back in 2000, there was some ammendment to the number plate legislation to cope. Something to do with shortening the prescribed length of the hyphens.

Given that Dublin has the highest numbers, but is only a single letter county, that's a 9+2 (9 digits plus 2 hyphens), Although technically, it could be described as a 8.5 digits as there is pretty much a guarantee of a "1" in it.

Other counties will either be 8+2 or 7+2 as their "High" zone will be 5 digits and below 100,000.

So yes, it will fit on a plate, but it will only fit correctly on a new format plate, but then again, the only concession to not using a modern (86>) plate is to either have an original series reg, or ZV as legislation permits.

Whoever dreamt this up was oblivious to the unintended consequences of it, and as the the ZV plus one lark, nothing will get done about it.

carchaeologist

macplaxton wrote: »

Whoever dreamt this up was oblivious to the unintended consequences of it, and as the the ZV plus one lark, nothing will get done about it.

As usual....:mad:

It's a bit silly that the pre '87 cars are getting hit with this too. There would seem not to be a need as any pre '87 year plate is an import anyway.

Have the last few 4 digit ZVs been issued? How do you diffrienciate the new import ZVs if they want to highlight the new year plate issues?

macplaxton

carchaeologist wrote: »

How do you diffrienciate the new import ZVs if they want to highlight the new year plate issues?

Doing some work on this later, I think we may have jumped to a 3rd set of allocations for ZVs

carchaeologist

macplaxton wrote: »

Doing some work on this later, I think we may have jumped to a 3rd set of allocations for ZVs

There must be, otherwise there's no easy way of telling what's newly imported and what's not.

ZV 123456 anyone?

antodeco

Anyone know what Dublin ZV reg they're at now?

macplaxton

9890 or thereabouts, don't think it has jumped.

steinbock123

Carchaeologist wrote: ''You can still use an unissued registration from a given year in a following year provided you want to pay for it and its not issued.''

What exactly do you mean by this? Does that mean I can get a '68 reg.(CZO or whatever) for my '68 import that's still on UK plates??

carchaeologist

steinbock123 wrote: »

Carchaeologist wrote: ''You can still use an unissued registration from a given year in a following year provided you want to pay for it and its not issued.''

What exactly do you mean by this? Does that mean I can get a '68 reg.(CZO or whatever) for my '68 import that's still on UK plates??

No, unless you do it illegally( but that doesn't happen at all:rolleyes:)
I'm talking about the newer issues in the last couple of years, the first 200 are withheld to be sold for €1000 apiece. You can still buy say 10D156 in 2011, or at least that was the way, providing the new system for imports that was unveiled last week hasn't changed that.

The ****ers keep moving the goalposts, this time into the next field!

macplaxton

macplaxton wrote: »

9890 or thereabouts, don't think it has jumped.

Can I change my answer?

It has jumped. Last Dublin 4-digit issue was 9889, next issue in "order" after that was 10001.

So my new answer is: at least 10005.

(ZV10001 - that Vauxhall Royale, along with ZV10002 and ZV10004 have deffo been issued)

MercMad

Wow its getting very confusing, and the new reg's will make it worse.

I was also told that some of the ZV's were not issued to avoid confusion particularly ZV 1XXX etc as the "1" could be confused with an "I". Different Authorities could make the decision based on what they got !

Seems a bit odd however I do recall a particular story where a certain C124 Mercedes was issued with the reg 91 OY 1 but someone took offense as they currently owned a car with the reg 91 OYI. I dunno how true it is but I have seen the C124 on that reg.

carchaeologist

Thanks for that Macplaxton. I thought as much that the Royale was 10001 alright.
Re 90OY1, I have 90KY1 and it could easily pass for 90KYI if you looked quickly.

macplaxton

Confirmed: Changes came into effect 5th December 2011.

hi5

carchaeologist wrote: »

Thanks for that Macplaxton. I thought as much that the Royale was 10001 alright.
Re 90OY1, I have 90KY1 and it could easily pass for 90KYI if you looked quickly.

Like this non-Waterford reg

carchaeologist

Was there an S.I issued to cover the new changes?
Anyone know the number if so?

macplaxton

Had a quick look, can't see one, but then I can't see the need for one. I can only see S.I.'s for changes in index marks, not serial numbers.

YBTurbo

Can someone please explain this in simple terms, I am epically confused?

carchaeologist

YBTurbo wrote: »

Can someone please explain this in simple terms, I am epically confused?

Explain what exactly?

YBTurbo

carchaeologist wrote: »

Explain what exactly?

What changes they are making to the current system.

If I say want to register a 76 car in Limerick, I either get 76-LK-???? or ZV ????, But are the plates now going to be from a certain number and then given out from there, From my understanding the ZV will be going to 6 digits.

Also what if I want to register a 99 car, Will I get a silly number like 99-LK-46743, where people will automatically know its an import, or is it just the next number available on the system, like for ecample 99-LK-6432?

Sorry, I just don't understand.

carchaeologist

YBTurbo wrote: »

What changes they are making to the current system.

If I say want to register a 76 car in Limerick, I either get 76-LK-???? or ZV ????, But are the plates now going to be from a certain number and then given out from there, From my understanding the ZV will be going to 6 digits.

Also what if I want to register a 99 car, Will I get a silly number like 99-LK-46743, where people will automatically know its an import, or is it just the next number available on the system, like for ecample 99-LK-6432?

Sorry, I just don't understand.

Right, its a bit convoluted but here goes- When you go to register an import car you will now get a registration from a special import series specific to your county. It depends on the highest issue in each county how high the import reg will be. For example Dublin will be xxD120001 and upwards for all years. Kerry will be xxKY10001 and upwards. You are right, all imports will now stick out like beacons in the night! I think that was the general idea though.

The thing to remember here is that even a 1955 car imported to Dublin that won't have a ZV issued will get 55D120001, which is a really messy registration to try and make fit a normal size plate and still look authentic. It can't be done.
The 5 digit ZV plates are the lesser of the two evils now. Sadly.

If your import is over 30 years old you can still choose a ZV registration, these are all now ZV+5 digits(no more 4s now). There has been a slight jump in each county's ZV issues to accommodate and differinciate the new registrations post 5/12/11.
This is to all intents and purposes a third series of ZVs as the first two( original 1993 4 digit series and the newer mid '00s 5 digit series) are now effectively closed due to the new jump in numbers.
There is a few other changes but nothing really applicable to the vintage/classic scene.
Hope this helps.

macplaxton

For LK, ZV estimated to start at 53301 and for a new county format I think above 11001.

corktina

a fourth series is badly wanted already....

why o why cant they get their act together and charge €1000 for whatever you want on a plate! (ie BMW 318 etc)

gipi

carchaeologist,

Thanks for the simple explanation of the new registration rules. These rules apply regardless of vehicle, I presume? If one imports a motorbike (non-ZV), it'll get the xxD120001 series (or whatever, depending on county)?

That's a heck of a lot of numbers to put on a bike plate!

carchaeologist

Yes, it would seem so. If its an import, it's getting an import series registration. In Dublin that's xxD120001 and upwards.
I have a feeling this is also partially a knee jerk reaction to the fact that there was beginning to be century overlap on the original series. Now there can't be a crossover apart from what's registered already, which is relitivly few.

The lord Mayor in Dublin won't get his usual xxD1 reg every consecutive year in the future though!:D

Type 17

The reason that the Lord Mayor will start to miss reg’s like 12-D-1 is that they were given away in the late 80’s or early 90’s to 1912 cars being imported - more forward thinking from the authorities who, in the future will be wondering why they don’t get any decent eyewitness reports on car reg’s leaving the scene of an accident, etc - who will be able to read and memorise rubbish like 08-D-125438 in a fraction of a second? :mad:

Maybe I should buy a quick import (especially a bike ) and register it in Dublin - then I can drive like an ar5e and, if I keep it lit properly, no one will be able to report me :pac:

macplaxton

corktina wrote: »

why o why cant they get their act together and charge €1000 for whatever you want on a plate! (ie BMW 318 etc)

Because they're a bunch of muppets? :rolleyes:

Besides a grand for whatever you want could be faaaaarr to cheap. That's why the DVLA over the water auctions off all the money magnet stuff.