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Socialist Sweden, Norway vs the rest...

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    #92
    Norwayviking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    JustinDee wrote: »
    The only 'socialist' element in Norway that drives economic success on top of the oljefund is high taxation, despite being under grips of unions. Irish people, given uproar at budgetary spending cuts, seem to want everything for nothing and would never stick having to fork out more to the country's infrastructure.
    Norway, a monarchy, practises protectionist oligopoly in a nr of trades and despite the import restrictions on even the most basic of luxury goods, is the most materialistic country I've lived in.

    People should quit trying to find comparisons where there are none.

    Well said Justin +1


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    #93
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    How is a free market impossible? Perhaps not feasible (as in, practical), but certainly possible. Just remove the government and state.

    I look forward to the misconceptions of the above statement.

    How do you remove the government and state ?


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    #94
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Norwayviking wrote: »
    Well said Justin +1
    I don't agree with you on race and immigration matters and probably never will but . . . likevel tusen takk for det.


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    #95
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Sweden is not a a socialist country by any stretch of the imagination. It is, in fact, a successful capitalist country with good and humane social policies and its government is headed by Fredrik Reinfeldt of the Moderata Samlingspartiet (Moderate Coalition Party, i.e. non-virulent conservatives). The same approach to taking proper care of education, health services and social security for those who need it is adopted in neighbouring Norway (which has a social democratic government) and Finland (which has a conservative-led coalition government).:)


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    #96
    Norwayviking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    JustinDee wrote: »
    I don't agree with you on race and immigration matters and probably never will but . . . likevel tusen takk for det.
    I am sure we can work something out bro:D
    No worries its just a matter of opinion no hard feelings;)


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    #97
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    MungBean wrote: »
    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    How is a free market impossible? Perhaps not feasible (as in, practical), but certainly possible. Just remove the government and state.

    I look forward to the misconceptions of the above statement.

    How do you remove the government and state ?

    Never said it was practical. In fact, I said it wasn't.

    *high fives mungy*


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    #98
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    Never said it was practical. In fact, I said it wasn't.

    *high fives mungy*

    You said it was possible, by removing the government and the state. I was asking you to explain how you remove the government and the state ?

    But it seems you didnt actually have a point, you were just talking to hear your own voice as it were with vague "Anything is possible" type arguments.


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    #99
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    No offence leonal I'm sure you think yourself a lovely chap but I'm going to have to stick you on ignore as your quite possibly the more irritating person I've come across on this thing.

    Do Pm me though if you'd like to try and overcome this as I dont want to develop a personal problem with anyone. I wouldnt like to impose myself on you by pming so I'll leave it up to you.


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    #100
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    Victory.


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    #101
    ed2hands
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    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    How is a free market impossible? Perhaps not feasible (as in, practical), but certainly possible. Just remove the government and state.

    Here you go Duke. Here's your Libertarian utopia:

    Somalia.

    http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Democracy-For-$ale20feb05.htm

    :P


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    #102
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    I never said it would work!


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    #103
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Sweden is not a a socialist country by any stretch of the imagination. It is, in fact, a successful capitalist country with good and humane social policies and its government is headed by Fredrik Reinfeldt of the Moderata Samlingspartiet (Moderate Coalition Party, i.e. non-virulent conservatives). The same approach to taking proper care of education, health services and social security for those who need it is adopted in neighbouring Norway (which has a social democratic government) and Finland (which has a conservative-led coalition government).:)

    A lot of the posters here consider " taking proper care of education, health services and social security for those who need" as a socialist luxury. All western countries are effectively Capitalist. It is possible to be capitalist and look after children, sick and poor. This is what people mean by socialism here, i believe.


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    #104
    karma_
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    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    Victory.

    From the guy who seemingly appealed for logical discourse, and remonstrated that others were attempting to troll earlier in this very thread.


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    #105
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    karma_ wrote: »
    From the guy who seemingly appealed for logical discourse, and remonstrated that others were attempting to troll earlier in this very thread.

    I give as good as I get. Now, go away. You bore me.


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    #106
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    zero_hope wrote: »
    I am pretty sure Sweden's big tumble happened in the nineties when they had a rightwing government with Mr Carl Bildt as prime minister and Mrs Anne Wible who was minister of finance from 1991-1994... For some reason this was the period when Sweden came crashing down from the sky above. Huge amounts of jobs were lost during this time and employment levels NEVER recovered to what they were in the seventies and eighties and this was during a time when a centre right government was managing things...

    It's not always what a country is doing but the changes outside a given country that could cause this. Things change and states must change their strategies too to cope.


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    #107
    RichieC
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    Investors more often than not are right wing fiscal conservatives. You'll notice the financial news in the US prior to the 2008 election declaring a fall in the DOW on the back of news that Obama is leading the polls, and other such stories. Fox news run with it declaring that Obama is bad for america, here's the proof!!1
    I think this cabal of money men basically punish countries for not voting the way they would like. It's a tyranny that will never go away.


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    #108
    K-9
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    Mod]

    Thread seemed to have run its course a few months ago. Can't see anything new to discuss.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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