Grand National 2012

finbarrk

Becauseicouldntsee ran a great race in the Kim Muir. He jumped super. Worth looking at if he gets in off 10.3.

RichieLawlor

Id love to see Synchronized run. It's not like he is a 7 year old up and coming Gold Cup winner. Stays longer than the mother in law and obv has the class.

Morgans

I think Synchronised is a little on the small side for the national and would struggle over the fences. Would like to see him run still. Add a whole lot of interest to the race.

I'm still happy with Organisedconfusion. Thought Killyglen did it nicely at the weekend and is another worth keeping on your side.

RichieLawlor

Morgans wrote: »

I think Synchronised is a little on the small side for the national and would struggle over the fences. Would like to see him run still. Add a whole lot of interest to the race.

I'm still happy with Organisedconfusion. Thought Killyglen did it nicely at the weekend and is another worth keeping on your side.

Agreed, he is like a pony compared so some. But the hype that would surround the Gold Cup winner running would add to the occasion.

Still, If he got round he would have to go close, serious engine.

Nulty

Morgans wrote: »

I think Synchronised is a little on the small side for the national and would struggle over the fences. Would like to see him run still. Add a whole lot of interest to the race.

I'm still happy with Organisedconfusion. Thought Killyglen did it nicely at the weekend and is another worth keeping on your side.

He did it fairly easily didn't he. Value for more than the form book suggests. He took a bit of stoking but won readily on ground he wouldn't like.

I heard a terrible stat for horses in the national who have Strong Gale in their pedigree. About 8-10 or more of them have run in the national and best finish is 6th. Apparently they empty very quickly after 4 miles. All the previous horses were 2nd gen Strong Gale while On His Own, Cappa Bleu and Killyglen are 3rd gen.

Offshore Account, Darkness, Southern Vic, Idle Talk, Hear The Echo, Silver By Nature, Golden Kite, Grand Slam Hero, Dooneys Gate, Belon Gale and more.

I specialise in NH bloodstock. One thing you can be sure of is that anything with Strong Gale in its pedigree will not even be placed let alone win.

http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2011/who-will-win-the-grand-national-2011-main-thread-page-2/#comment-96226

Nulty

Cappa Bleu has Strong Gale as a damsire which is worrying for his prospects but On His Own and Killyglen have a bit of distance from Strong Gale as a grand damsire. Killyglen is sired by a Grand National sire in Presenting which bodes well (Ballabriggs)

Nulty

Killyglens damsire Phardante had a placed horse in the National with Niki Dee in Papillions National in '00

Nulty

I like to have a no hoper outsider I think could surprise. Last year It was Surface To Air at 100/1. This year I'll go with Grand National winning trainer Kim Baileys Midnight Haze. He's nearly 300/1 on betfair but is fairly unexposed and been aimed at the race all year. He looks a national type and Kim Bailey seems excited about him taking his chance. He ran a nice prep for the race at Cheltenham in the Cross Country and took to the fences well. He's a good jumper and was just outpaced when it came to the crunch at Cheltenham. That is a good run going into the national imv. He is in the handicap proper at 10-00 and needs only 9 to come out at the next forfeit stage. I make it 8 after Pearlysteps was pulled up today at Newbury.

Colonel Sanders

Re Synchronised surely the national is all about rythm & jumping and he neither travels nor jumps well enough for me.

Still may well take a huge chunk out of the book on the day of he was to run......

Nulty

Burton Port is the proverbial barge atm on Betfair. Non runner fo sho.

NaiveMelodies

Although he's very well handicapped, Think they're better off not running Burton Port, was a very tired horse coming up that hill.
Genuinely think too, that with a bigger break between his reappearance and the GC would have seen him go alot closer then he did.. but that's for another day.


Re Sychronised, I think the race might suit him, McCoy will happily have him toward the back, won't have to travel at the speed of the GC, and pick off the non-stayers/ strong travellers as the race goes on..
Although McCoy's gonna be nackered come the end of the race thats for sure!

hucklebuck

I never thought of Burton Port as a national horse, he was under pressure a fair bit from home and was treading water at the end of the Gold Cup, not sure he would see out the National Trip.

Neptune Collonges could be interesting off around 11-2

RichieLawlor

Bet €3.65 NRNB for the National

bookshelf

I haven't heard anyone mention Chicago Grey yet. There's seems to be a lot of talk about him around my part of the country (Galway) with lots of big bets going on according to a friend of mine.
I'm not too sure about him, I think I'd go for Prince de Beauchene or Killyglen.
Also I think Rare Bob is great value at 40/1 with a fairly decent weight, i'll have a few quid on him anyways.
I'll have to go through it all over the weekend and have a right look.

Nulty

I love the Grand National....:)

Markgc

Nulty wrote: »

I love the Grand National....:)

The smiley face conveys your passion and enthusiasm perfectly!

Nulty

Liverpool -v- Everton in the FA Cup Semi-Final on the same day as the Grand National!

:pac:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/03/29/grand-national-tickets-flogged-online-as-sports-fans-face-dilemma-ahead-of-liverpool-fc-v-everton-fc-fa-cup-semi-final-clash-100252-30648764/

finbarrk

If its an evening kick off they won't be showing it in the racecourse bars because of their outdated and backward rule that says the bars must close after the start of the last race.
They should follow the likes of Cheltenham and Ascot and leave the bars open for a few hours after racing.

finbarrk

Kick off for the football has been announced for 12.30. Could be a messy evening in around town after racing!

Pj!

Prince De Beauchene out according to Racing Post

Nulty

Wow. Fav is out according to oddschecker and more importantly 170 on Betfair.

Pj!

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"Prince De Beauchene disappointed in a bit of work during the week. We had him checked out and the veterinary examination revealed that he has a stress fracture of the ilium in the hip area. It will mean about eight weeks box rest and, unfortunately, there will be no Aintree for him this year."

bookshelf

Rare Bob for me so at 40/1 and a bit on Chicago Grey too at 16s (missed him at 25/1 last week). I'll take your advice Nulty and not bother with Killyglen

Nulty

bookshelf wrote: »

Rare Bob for me so at 40/1 and a bit on Chicago Grey too at 16s (missed him at 25/1 last week). I'll take your advice Nulty and not bother with Killyglen

Advice? I don't remember giving out any advice..

Nulty

If your talking about the pedigree thing, I wasn't advising anyone not to back Killyglen.

He's going to win.

finbarrk

I wonder what will Ruby ride now?

UrbanSea

Seabass I'd imagine

Nulty

Great story about According to Pete - OR149 - 10-10 - 40/1

Nulty

Wylie’s other National hopeful, Thyestes Chase winner On His Own – a 20-1 chance with Ladbrokes, William Hill and BlueSquare – will now be leased to a children’s heart unit charity for the day and any prize money won will be donated to the fund.

Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/2012/04/02/prince-de-beauchene-s-injury-absence-forces-shake-up-in-the-betting-market-for-the-john-smith-s-grand-national-100252-30673314/#ixzz1qutP0o5C

finbarrk

Nulty wrote: »

Great story about According to Pete - OR149 - 10-10 - 40/1

Great story Nulty, it would be great to see him win.