Do you listen to Irish Original music or prefer cover bands?

The Jammy dodger

Poll to follow so wait before you respond:

First of all instead of taking this to the music thread, I consider this to be an AH chat kind of thread because the question is being proposed to non-musicians ( and musicians too I guess ).

Do you think Ireland is very anti-new Irish artists out on the road doing their thing? Does Louis Walsh really control the music here? Are Chrystal swing really what the Irish public want?

Am I a musician? yes. Am I annoyed at the Irish music scene? yes. Am I the only one? NO ( at least I wouldnt like to hope so. )

But its not just the big guns ( record companies ) that are making all the wrong moves its the Irish people. I find that if the Irish have a choice between a covers band on a thursday night and watching lets say...an Irish Original band such as pugwash ( my all time fav irish band by the way and no I'm not them, to prove it this is me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90TFXuXxmbM) then they wont bother going to see pugwash, even if their album is backed by record companies such as EMI but would rather have a few drinks listening to some guy with a backing track singing desperado.

I suppose this is a post for the Irish public. I dont get you and would like to get to know you and why it is there is no love from you for the Irish underground artists who are soooooooo much better than JEDWARD ( not blowing my coal saying I'm better than anyone but speaking about other artists. )

Hopefully you'll all prove me wrong and tell us you love the original music scene.

It's just sad to here a great irish band like Pugwashs lead singer say ''Most of are fans are not from ireland, but from the far east, England and America.''

*sigh*

Kasabian

What are you touting, I prefer Plan B.

phasers

Oh wah wah wah, why am I not famous

Pherekydes

Glen Miller, Mozart, Chopin and many others are dead.

The Jammy dodger

phasers wrote: »

Oh wah wah wah, why am I not famous

Nope thats not my agenda at all. I know people who arent musicians who have the same thoughts as myself.

Just a thread to get into the hearts and minds of the Irish public thats all.

TheZohanS

It seems to me that most Irish bands have to make it big abroad before they're appreciated in Ireland. Personally I don't like the crap "artists" such as jedward etc and any of that manufactured pop that's pumped out.

Keep plugging away OP.

ejmaztec

Captain Pugwash, a legend.

PseudoFamous

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

I suppose this is a post for the Irish public. I dont get you and would like to get to know you and why it is there is no love from you for the Irish underground artists who are soooooooo much better than JEDWARD

There aren't any properly good Irish electronic artists about, which is why I've no love for them.

I also despise how there seems to be three types of Irish bands at the moment; The ones that pretend to be really indie, the ones who pretend they're really hardcore and metal, and the ones that play terrible covers of oasis.

Come out with some decent music that doesn't make me want to claw my eardrums open, Irish bands.

mackg

There are people who want to go see original music and there are people who aren't that into music so would prefer to have a cover band playing whatevers in the charts, the two appeal to different kinds of people. On the subject of original bands recently I have seen Foy Vance, Adebesi Shank and 0 Emperor all original Irish bands and all really good. Another problem is that it seems hard for these bands to get noticed. I saw 0 Emperor play in the smoking area of the Bowery in Cork there wasn't even enough people to fill that and it's tiny, shameful for how good they are.

The Jammy dodger

TheZohan wrote: »

It seems to me that most Irish bands have to make it big abroad before they're appreciated in Ireland. Personally I don't like the crap "artists" such as jedward etc and any of that manufactured pop that's pumped out.

Keep plugging away OP.

Yeah watched an interview between phil lynott and Gay Byrne in the 70's and he felt he was more appreciated abroad than in Ireland. he said ''No offence but some overweight guy from Greece comes to play in Ireland singin Opera, nobody has ever heard of him before and people flock to him, but when a homegrown Irish dude like myself gives it a go nobody shows up''

MagicMarker

OP, loads of people like to see original bands, perhaps you're just shit?

The Jammy dodger

mackg wrote: »

There are people who want to go see original music and there are people who aren't that into music so would prefer to have a cover band playing whatevers in the charts, the two appeal to different kinds of people. On the subject of original bands recently I have seen Foy Vance, Adebesi Shank and 0 Emperor all original Irish bands and all really good. Another problem is that it seems hard for these bands to get noticed. I saw 0 Emperor play in the smoking area of the Bowery in Cork there wasn't even enough people to fill that and it's tiny, shameful for how good they are.

Thanks. yeah I mean I dont have a problem with cover bands as such, I love to hear guys give a good live version of tunes they love or that we like, but nothing beats a rockin band like many of the undergrounds I know belting their tunes that they just created last week. I just dont get the absence of seats in an original scene from the public, compared to their preference to listen to cover bands EVERY weekend. I've even met cover band artists who find this strange but hey they say it makes them their money. *shrug*

And ok as someone else said, some of these bands are garbage ( including me ) but I still think it's fun to have a look at their gigs and over a period of time they often grow in their sound, songs and performance and this is fun to watch also and be a part of dont you think?

sgb

Just give me Westlife, they have all bases covered

The Jammy dodger

MagicMarker wrote: »

OP, loads of people like to see original bands, perhaps you're just shit?

I dont perform live I just create instrumentals and songs for cable shows in the states. There are two types of moves in the industry, the band that works hard, creates a sound for themselves and goes for a record deal, and the artist who just composes music for Film/tv such as network shows and cables shows.

and yeah I'm rubbish, and need to work better at my art and craft of writing songs. But this thread isnt about me it's about those artists out there who are actually good and deserve the record deal and applause they are after.

Thats why I began the thread, so please dont let it evolve into a thread about me lets focus on the premise of thread.

jam

The Jammy dodger

sgb wrote: »

Just give me Westlife, they have all bases covered

Havnt you heard? they split up:eek:

WindSock

Unfortunately for Irish artists there is very little exposure over the airwaves, or anywhere else but the odd 'indie' show on tv.

It's a friggin disgrace and an insult as there is so much homegrown talent going unnoticed and we have to hear Back in Black 500 times a day on Nova or Arcade Fires latest on Phantom.

Namlub

You say it like the vast majority of people listening to more commercial pop-type stuff, leaving only a niche market for "serious musicians" and other genres is a uniquely Irish thing. It's not.

The Jammy dodger

WindSock wrote: »

Unfortunately for Irish artists there is very little exposure over the airwaves, or anywhere else but the odd 'indie' show on tv.

It's a friggin disgrace and an insult as there is so much homegrown talent going unnoticed and we have to hear Back in Black 500 times a day on Nova or Arcade Fires latest on Phantom.

yeah, radio airplay is a big thing for artists, and the artists who spend much of their dole and hard earned cash from stacking shelves in Dunne stores really create a whopping record and yet get no airplay, nothing in return, it's a shame.

Unless your biography says: ''I've supported Paul weller and also mow his lawn every second saturday'' radio shows? they dont wanna know.

there should be a national airplay radio station for underground artists, even if the bands productions are created on garage band home studio, it still makes for pure fun and it's art regardless.

The Jammy dodger

Namlub wrote: »

You say it like the vast majority of people listening to more commercial pop-type stuff, leaving only a niche market for "serious musicians" and other genres is a uniquely Irish thing. It's not.

Wrong! it may not be a uniquely Irish thing. But after his gig here in Ireland one night I was speaking with Aziz Ibriham ( Ian Browns Guitarist ) and he said to me, ''what is it with your country? like 20 people showed up to my gig tonight. When I play London, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, the venue is full of mad go getters''.

I shruged it off and tried to change the subject, truly I was ashamed of being Irish that night I didnt know how else to respond ehhhhh.

But I'm tellin ya. Even Daniel O Donnell packs the house in Dubai, whats happening man? This Country is losing it's green status.

Biggins

Origional artists any day.

Josh Groban is pure class but that shower of schite Westlife have taken LOADS of his songs and make a right muck of them!
Bunch of ****! :mad:

WindSock

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Wrong! it may not be a uniquely Irish thing. But after his gig here in Ireland one night I was speaking with Aziz Ibriham ( Ian Browns Guitarist ) and he said to me, ''what is it with your country? like 20 people showed up to my gig tonight. When I play London, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, the venue is full of mad go getters''.

Didn't even know Aziz did solo stuff, but there ya go. Again, exposure I guess. Of course he would be more exposed there in his homegrown territory, especially in Northern England with his link to Ian Brown.

But I'm tellin ya. Even Daniel O Donnell packs the house in Dubai, whats happening man? This Country is losing it's green status.

That's nothing to be proud of :P. Probably all Irish expats going anyway...

The Jammy dodger

Biggins wrote: »

Origional artists any day.

Josh Groban is pure class but that shower of schite Westlife have taken LOADS of his songs and make a right muck of them!
Bunch of ****! :mad:

Ya got style Biggins. Seems like Louis Walsh is the cause of Irelands woes.

I say bring the sixties back. Here is a band who nobody shows up to their gigs really. They arent Irish but still...I say bring back some real instruments and writers like these guys. Love their sound and if you like the sixties underground stuff I'm sure you would like them too. I think they will be the ones to change the tide of how people today listen to music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQRS40OKNE

phasers

fleet foxes? You've probably never heard of them.

I'm not in touch with the music scene at all and even I know who Fleet Foxes are.

Namlub

Fleet Foxes are pretty popular tbh

The Jammy dodger

phasers wrote: »

fleet foxes? You've probably never heard of them.

I'm not in touch with the music scene at all and even I know who Fleet Foxes are.

THEN GO TO THEIR GIGS! :D:D:D


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guitarzero

From my experience, Irish original bands, by enlarge, have been utter cr*p. Someone hit the nail on the head - The indie band who simply have no idea how generic and forgettable they sound (and how much a third of the crowd would love to break them). Then you got the home grown traditional bands and solo acts which has been flogged and battered for centuries, yet these folks still beat their guitars about how she left him...in a field...in athlone, who gives a diddly ohhh f*ck about this common theme any more?? IMO 99% percent are chancers looking for a bit of attention.

There has been a few occasions where Ive thought "Im not a huge fan but that was worth the listen". I dont think people listen to music the way we once did. Music was so heavy with emotion, extraordinary song writing, intellectual and heartfelt, at times encouraging and merging with huge movements - 60's. Their seems to be no subtlety, romance, patience any more. You have bands bashing out 4/4 verse/chorus stuff, which is still a good formula but its so referenced and extracted from bands that are already blatant pasteurists. It just seems song writing is done for an immediate, temporary little hit/jig, nothing sustaining or rich.

Im not keen on covers either but women are, do the math.

The Jammy dodger

guitarzero wrote: »

From my experience, Irish original bands, by enlarge, have been utter cr*p. Someone hit the nail on the head - The indie band who simply have no idea how generic and forgettable they sound (and how much a third of the crowd would love to break them). Then you got the home grown traditional bands and solo acts which has been flogged and battered for centuries, yet these folks still beat their guitars about how she left him...in a field...in athlone, who gives a diddly ohhh f*ck about this common theme any more?? IMO 99% percent are chancers looking for a bit of attention.

There has been a few occasions where Ive thought "Im not a huge fan but that was worth the listen". I dont think people listen to music the way we once did. Music was so heavy with emotion, extraordinary song writing, intellectual and heartfelt, at times encouraging and merging with huge movements - 60's. Their seems to be no subtlety, romance, patience any more. You have bands bashing out 4/4 verse/chorus stuff, which is still a good formula but its so referenced and extracted from bands that are already blatant pasteurists. It just seems song writing is done for an immediate, temporary little hit/jig, nothing sustaining or rich.

Im not keen on covers either but women are, do the math.

Great post guitar hero

couple of questions:

1. what is a pasteurist? lol

and

2. What formula works for you? what do you suggest bands or artists could do to flesh out their music and make it stand out more?

mackg

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Thanks. yeah I mean I dont have a problem with cover bands as such, I love to hear guys give a good live version of tunes they love or that we like, but nothing beats a rockin band like many of the undergrounds I know belting their tunes that they just created last week. I just dont get the absence of seats in an original scene from the public, compared to their preference to listen to cover bands EVERY weekend. I've even met cover band artists who find this strange but hey they say it makes them their money. *shrug*

And ok as someone else said, some of these bands are garbage ( including me ) but I still think it's fun to have a look at their gigs and over a period of time they often grow in their sound, songs and performance and this is fun to watch also and be a part of dont you think?

I think a lot of people go to see cover bands the same way they go to a pub or a club it's not a decision to go see the band, they're just going on the piss and the band happen to be there. there is more of a conscious decision in going to see an original band.

WindSock

guitarzero wrote: »

Im not keen on covers either but women are, do the math.

We are? :eek:


There are a lot of great bands and musicians in NZ that get little play overseas, but the great thing about there is they celebrate their own music and even have a whole month dedicated to promoting it.

http://www.nzmusicmonth.co.nz/what-is-nz-music-month/


Think we could really do with something similar here, although Irish trad has had a massive global impact, it would be great if we celebrated our contemporary artists a bit better.

mackg

WindSock wrote: »

We are? :eek:


There are a lot of great bands and musicians in NZ that get little play overseas, but the great thing about there is they celebrate their own music and even have a whole month dedicated to promoting it.

http://www.nzmusicmonth.co.nz/what-is-nz-music-month/


Think we could really do with something similar here, although Irish trad has had a massive global impact, it would be great if we celebrated our contemporary artists a bit better.

You heard the man, now go and change your vote in the poll :P:pac:

The Jammy dodger

mackg wrote: »

I think a lot of people go to see cover bands the same way they go to a pub or a club it's not a decision to go see the band, they're just going on the piss and the band happen to be there. there is more of a conscious decision in going to see an original band.

Good point. But in the small ( did I say small? maybe not so ) town I come from such as Dundalk they seem to purposely go out to see these bands do their sets. Again I cant speak for the whole of ireland and I can only come in from the small town perspective as opposed to cities because thats all I really know.

mackg

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Good point. But in the small ( did I say small? maybe not so ) town I come from such as Dundalk they seem to purposely go out to see these bands do their sets. Again I cant speak for the whole of ireland and I can only come in from the small town perspective as opposed to cities because thats all I really know.

Could just be a case of people going to the gig cause they know the lads in the band? What's the population of Dundalk.

guitarzero

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Great post guitar hero

couple of questions:

1. what is a pasteurist? lol

and

2. What formula works for you? what do you suggest bands or artists could do to flesh out their music and make it stand out more?

First question is quite a toughy and Id need more time. :pac:

Second question? What works for me: Its always going to be a matter of taste no matter what.
I suppose a band that has the ability to recognize its own relevance and impact. To be able to discern their music from their influences and still see something worth delivering. A bad that plays with an honest intention of giving an emotion a shape and volume thats not subjected to any song/genre as reference other than thier heart and guts. What happened to subtlety in music, what happened to pacing, shifting the mood, narration, thought out composition. Most of the great bands were only in their 20's yet writing some of the heaviest lyrics. I always thought these where important factors in delivering a sentiment.

I see music as a means to inspire and enrich peoples inner world. I just feel that bands these days simply want a quick fling with fame and play to the audience as such. Yet, there are fewer and fewer bands - on the music scene - who seem to provide this and I certainly dont see them on stage. Perhaps our lifestyle have become less richer and illustrious that music has become a reflection of such. Perhaps music was a means to express something that doesnt reside in anyone any more. Im not sure but I do recognize that the stage is not a place I may find any inspiration.

WindSock

mackg wrote: »

You heard the man, now go and change your vote in the poll :P:pac:

I can vote?

OP generally most people go out for a night to hear music they know and like so they can all sing along and have a jolly wee time of merriment and debauchery and afterwards when the DJ gets on and plays the usuals and latest chart muck so they can grind and elbowtit each other.


That usually doesn't include making a conscious decision to see some obscure amatuer wailing their songs into a mic with their acoustic guitar for a spell (not referring to you specifically here )

mackg

WindSock wrote: »

I can vote?

OP generally most people go out for a night to hear music they know and like so they can all sing along and have a jolly wee time of merriment and debauchery and afterwards when the DJ gets on and plays the usuals and latest chart muck so they can grind and elbowtit each other.


That usually doesn't include making a conscious decision to see some obscure amatuer wailing their songs into a mic with their acoustic guitar for a spell (not referring to you specifically here )

As long as you are accompanied by whatever man is in charge of you iirc.

I agree with windsock's second paragraph which is why I think it is a good idea to have up and coming bands play midweek like they do in the Pavillion in Cork, good way to break up the week and bands are not cutting into elbowtitting time.

The Jammy dodger

guitarzero wrote: »

First question is quite a toughy and Id need more time. :pac:

Second question? What works for me: Its always going to be a matter of taste no matter what.
I suppose a band that has the ability to recognize its own relevance and impact. To be able to discern their music from their influences and still see something worth delivering. A bad that plays with an honest intention of giving an emotion a shape and volume thats not subjected to any song/genre as reference other than thier heart and guts. What happened to subtlety in music, what happened to pacing, shifting the mood, narration, thought out composition. Most of the great bands were only in their 20's yet writing some of the heaviest lyrics. I always thought these where important factors in delivering a sentiment.

I see music as a means to inspire and enrich peoples inner world. I just feel that bands these days simply want a quick fling with fame and play to the audience as such. Yet, there are fewer and fewer bands - on the music scene - who seem to provide this and I certainly dont see them on stage. Perhaps our lifestyle have become less richer and illustrious that music has become a reflection of such. Perhaps music was a means to express something that doesnt reside in anyone any more. Im not sure but I do recognize that the stage is not a place I may find any inspiration.

Not that I'm claiming to be on par with you here, but you seem to have a firm grasp of music.

I hear what your saying. ''Dont play or write music your friends and family like, play music YOU personally like. And, if it works, it works.'' Correct?

I can honestly say I fell victim to this. But believe it or not, some musicians have a talent for writing what people wanna hear so they can make money and the crowd be please ( mostly in film/tv though because of the different genres they must compose for ).

and most musicians really do have a talent for writing what it is that pleases them and yet generates a good income ( yet sadly not in Ireland ).

I think what really prevents a musician from developing is his/her ego. Example: A musician has already established his talent at writing a good song and decent lyrics, but....needs a little push, and the first criticism that comes his way ( instead of viewing this criticism as gold that can really help him progress in his career ) he bails out and shrugs it off as if he is the best in the world at his craft. Even if you mention to him getting singing lessons ahhhhhh thats WORSE. lol. Or if you give him a book by a well established songwriter on how to write good songs, he shrugs it off too. Yet these are the tools that can help bands establish their art and craft of writing.

Another thing that prevents bands and artists from getting heard, enjoyed and signed is their sound quality. Most record companies these days are looking for the perfect business model, Indie or major, with demos that sound like the finished product, who have an established fan base off and online and are gigging it like mad with a good sound, so then the companies can take their cut. They dont wanna develop artists anymore. And I think artists will just have to move with that.

But I really have to give the thumbs down to record companies for that attitude because I've heard many a garage band demo from a band that sounds hot and could really be developed given the right investment and so on.

Perhaps I've digressed from your post and topic but thought I'd speak whatever was on my mind anyways.

Jam

WindSock

Arrrr. Which would you prefer, art without success or success without art?

Obviously both would be great but if you do what you enjoy, with passion and dedication, success usually follows.
Playing what you think people want to hear makes you nothing but a glorified jukebox.

The Jammy dodger

WindSock wrote: »

I can vote?

OP generally most people go out for a night to hear music they know and like so they can all sing along and have a jolly wee time of merriment and debauchery and afterwards when the DJ gets on and plays the usuals and latest chart muck so they can grind and elbowtit each other.


That usually doesn't include making a conscious decision to see some obscure amatuer wailing their songs into a mic with their acoustic guitar for a spell (not referring to you specifically here )

yeah I hear what your saying. But it's also merriment to go watch an Original band/artist. I still think that what you have just done is describe the tragedy as oppossed to coming up with a resolution on how to fix the tragedy lol hahahaha.

I think we should take them by force and make them watch these bands lol.

I dont know I think it's whatever way my town is fixed is that....all the clubs and highlife is on park street and earl square and the Spirit store venue is too far away to notice?

Anyhow I think it would be a good idea to stick a venue right in to heart of it all ( centre of town ) to really get the crowd in. But sure even then it prbobaly wouldnt work and they'd still prefer long haired harry bashing out wonderwall on sunday evening.

The Jammy dodger

WindSock wrote: »

Arrrr. Which would you prefer, art without success or success without art?

Obviously both would be great but if you do what you enjoy, with passion and dedication, success usually follows.
Playing what you think people want to hear makes you nothing but a glorified jukebox.

Not really unless your a covers band. A jukeboxes job is to play covers. But with an artist that writes specifically what music supervisors want for film/tv is still writing original stuff. Fair enough he is giving them what they want, but he still enjoys creating orginial material that they want, and then there are some that dont but need to put food on table. So I'm not sure the Dukebox comparison would work too well there. Maybe ''Music Supervisors slave'' yeah but not ''dukebox'' lol

guitarzero

I think with band music the shackles need to be shaken off a lot more. I think folks need to be more emotionally honest with themselves and life. Try some new chords, new sounds, get in touch with yourself a bit, try a new pattern of song structure, be conceptual without fearing what folks will think. I know this is Ireland and playground rules still apply in the adult world but I think music and art in general should be a place where pure expression can take place as an outlet. Without art we are reducing ourselves to the other species or transhumanism is on its way. There is so much to avail of today in terms of reference and musical hard/software yet we seem to endorse trends until they are all but dead and buried.

The Jammy dodger

guitarzero wrote: »

I think with band music the shackles need to be shaken off a lot more. I think folks need to be more emotionally honest with themselves and life. Try some new chords, new sounds, get in touch with yourself a bit, try a new pattern of song structure, be conceptual without fearing what folks will think. I know this is Ireland and playground rules still apply in the adult world but I think music and art in general should be a place where pure expression can take place as an outlet. Without art we are reducing ourselves to the other species or transhumanism is on its way. There is so much to avail of today in terms of reference and musical hard/software yet we seem to endorse trends until they are all but dead and buried.

I see what you mean. And I'm guilty of saying ''bring it back to the 60's'' when we should be moving it forward all the time ...BUT... When you talk about try out new chords, there is only but a handful of chords one can play on the guitar, be they up front or diss chords to the point that your going to reflect SOME band or artist in your music.

Thats the reason we have influences in our bio, to let the listener know what they are in for, albeit my influences include ''Pearl Jam, Queen, simon and garfunkel''.

I think that what makes an artist originial is to have at least a weird mixture of styles going on in his music, not so much that it seems obvious but enough to seem original.

Look at radiohead, everyone thinks they are original but I just think they are a modern day bad version of pink floyd with a twist and yet it's this twist they have that makes them original.

ascanbe

sgb wrote: »

Just give me Westlife, they have all bases covered

Or, at least, they have the seats of their stools covered, until that final, dramatic key-change.

The Jammy dodger

ascanbe wrote: »

Or, at least, they have the seats of their stools covered, until that final, dramatic key-change.

Key changes rock. ( insert Queen here )

guitarzero

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

I see what you mean. And I'm guilty of saying ''bring it back to the 60's'' when we should be moving it forward all the time ...BUT... When you talk about try out new chords, there is only but a handful of chords one can play on the guitar, be they up front or diss chords to the point that your going to reflect SOME band or artist in your music.

Thats the reason we have influences in our bio, to let the listener know what they are in for, albeit my influences include ''Pearl Jam, Queen, simon and garfunkel''.

I think that what makes an artist originial is to have at least a weird mixture of styles going on in his music, not so much that it seems obvious but enough to seem original.

Look at radiohead, everyone thinks they are original but I just think they are a modern day bad version of pink floyd with a twist and yet it's this twist they have that makes them original.

Yeah, not a Radiohead fan myself. I agree on the originality and chords part, when it comes to frequencies and timbre theres a limited spectrum which is where it comes down to the musicians innovation. Its an easy trap to fall in when people say "its been done". They could have said that after Beethoven, after Orchestra, after so many bands and era's but they continued to outdo in their own way. Its not a job but a discovery. Its no ones responsibility but perhaps a vocation. Stuart Copeland said himself that there are only so many notes chords etc but yet something new is always happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX8XbSiEzPQ . I think these guys kinda proved in the 80's that you can break into something new using something old very well. It may not be everyones cuppo tea but it still nicely incorporates different elements of music, emotion etc. Their 1st 2 albums was like WTF. So I believe there are more boundaries to break, but I think its a question of believing it first and then using tact, creativity, honesty.

The Jammy dodger

guitarzero wrote: »

Yeah, not a Radiohead fan myself. I agree on the originality and chords part, when it comes to frequencies and timbre theres a limited spectrum which is where it comes down to the musicians innovation. Its an easy trap to fall in when people say "its been done". They could have said that after Beethoven, after Orchestra, after so many bands and era's but they continued to outdo in their own way. Its not a job but a discovery. Its no ones responsibility but perhaps a vocation. Stuart Copeland said himself that there are only so many notes chords etc but yet something new is always happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX8XbSiEzPQ . I think these guys kinda proved in the 80's that you can break into something new using something old very well. It may not be everyones cuppo tea but it still nicely incorporates different elements of music, emotion etc. Their 1st 2 albums was like WTF. So I believe there are more boundaries to break, but I think its a question of believing it first and then using tact, creativity, honesty.

Yeah I think that for every time Noel Gallagher picked up the guitar and worried about whether or not his current song sounded like the beatles, he'd be on the dole.

My motto is ''just write it and make it sound original in the arrangment''.

Wow that roxy music is rockin man. Loved it, seems like a mixture of Led zep, the who, rolling stones all mixed into this weird milkshake of sound. Instead of a normally chorded structured song it sounds like....... an theatrical experience almost like Pink Floyds album.

Nice really liking it.

Naomi00

What I don't like about the Irish music 'scene' is that bands and record companies are always promoting their music, with the mindset that 'someone has to like it' .


I think that's the complete wrong approach to music. I've just been watching a documentary about Nirvana and it reminded me about this. They were just playing music because they wanted to, not to get famous or anything. They all had played in bands that got nowhere and didn't expect their band to be popular. It was just part of a music scene and that got big on its own.
That's a more natural way of music being popular. If you play gigs and people like your music. Not going on tv or the radio talking about yourself like loads of Irish musicians do.

A better way for a band to be well known and to get fans is through the music scene, that's how it happened before, now every band just expects people to like them.

And to the people above wondering why fans don't go to concerts; I think a lot of more popular Irish music is kinda boring indie easy-listening stuff. I'd say the reason why their gigs aren't more popular is that 1. That type of music live couldn't that much fun really and 2. Maybe their fans aren't really that into them, just like a few songs.

The Jammy dodger

Naomi00 wrote: »

What I don't like about the Irish music 'scene' is that bands and record companies are always promoting their music, with the mindset that 'someone has to like it' .


I think that's the complete wrong approach to music. I've just been watching a documentary about Nirvana and it reminded me about this. They were just playing music because they wanted to, not to get famous or anything. They all had played in bands that got nowhere and didn't expect their band to be popular. It was just part of a music scene and that got big on its own.
That's a more natural way of music being popular. If you play gigs and people like your music. Not going on tv or the radio talking about yourself like loads of Irish musicians do.

A better way for a band to be well known and to get fans is through the music scene, that's how it happened before, now every band just expects people to like them.

And to the people above wondering why fans don't go to concerts; I think a lot of more popular Irish music is kinda boring indie easy-listening stuff. I'd say the reason why their gigs aren't more popular is that 1. That type of music live couldn't that much fun really and 2. Maybe their fans aren't really that into them, just like a few songs.

I see what you mean, but I dont think there is a natural or unnatural way about making it in the industry. Yes some bands dont want it and yet get it and become popular, and some bands do want it and yet become popular also. Both formulas work. I find it hard to think Dave from the Foo Fighters created that band just to have a laugh, nah, he created it to make money and put his food on the table and keep his head above the water like everyone else in the same industry.

Dont believe people when they tell you that they are not in it to get a record deal and are in it for the laugh, dont believe them. This guy one night outside a local venue of mine years ago was telling me how much he hated oasis and that I should change my outlook on my influences ( he was in a deathmetal original band ) and I told him ( for the laugh ) that I'm in a band with the old members of Oasis Bonehead and that all our tunes are like oasis influenced but we are missing a good drummer ( the guy I was speaking to was a drummer ) and I said '' we are being signed by universal records but thing is...we are missing a drummer....*sigh, I put my pint down* suddenly he lifts his head and says ''well if your looking for a drummer I'd love to drum for you guys''.................:eek:

See what I mean? A deathmetal fan and drummer who just told me he hates oasis all of a sudden wants to be in my new band with an Oasis member and Oasis influences? :rolleyes:

Everyones in it for the record deal, fame and money. Maybe not everyone, but I certainly dont trust musicians not even myself when it comes down to money and record deals.

So dont believe musicians who say '' I wanna be discovered naturally''. NONSENSE!!! they'll dress up as Marylin munroe for a day just to land a deal and thats the truth *he says as he fixes his wig and white fluffy dress* :eek::D

guitarzero

Naomi00 wrote: »

What I don't like about the Irish music 'scene' is that bands and record companies are always promoting their music, with the mindset that 'someone has to like it' .

Ha, spot on. I guess cuz theres no real scene here, I dont I even know what scene means 2bh. The scary thing is that music is legacy. Now with pop radio dishing out rubbish it almost feels as though a link will be broken, replaced with a new, cheap, plastic one. And now the future generation will use that as a platform or reference. Kinda nuts. Music has always been a major force in ever culture and now it seems as though there is very little room for its nurturing and impact on society. There was a kind of truth in music that politicians could never live up to. When things got tough we had music to fill that need, a companion when lost or broken. Music is like a harmonizing tool, we use it to keep a balance and regain sense of spirit, soul.

guitarzero

Btw jammy

Also check out The Avalanches album 'Since I left You' and DJ Shadows 'Endtroducing'. Both stunning albums, well worth a listen.

The Jammy dodger

guitarzero wrote: »

Ha, spot on. I guess cuz theres no real scene here, I dont I even know what scene means 2bh. The scary thing is that music is legacy. Now with pop radio dishing out rubbish it almost feels as though a link will be broken, replaced with a new, cheap, plastic one. And now the future generation will use that as a platform or reference. Kinda nuts. Music has always been a major force in ever culture and now it seems as though there is very little room for its nurturing and impact on society. There was a kind of truth in music that politicians could never live up to. When things got tough we had music to fill that need, a companion when lost or broken. Music is like a harmonizing tool, we use it to keep a balance and regain sense of spirit, soul.

True I mean, take a look at this thread. 26 yes's to original music and probably all by people who are into original music. and with the hundreds of people voting and posting in AH nobody else has bothered with this thread other than pure music lovers of the the underground scene. I am beginning to think ''a prophet is without honor in his own land'' is beginning to ring true when it comes to Irish Orginal artists/bands.

Giruilla

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