The Bike Scheme thread

gordongekko

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Yes but unlikely at the same time. Say station has 15/20 bikes, all of the Salthill bikes will be gone within 30 minutes of station opening time in morning. How many people will cycle from town to Salthill at that time of the morning?

You could say the same about nuig or gmit theyll all be full in the morning. People do live in town and work in salthill as well as the other way around.

Mrs OBumble

gordongekko wrote: »

You could say the same about nuig or gmit theyll all be full in the morning. People do live in town and work in salthill as well as the other way around.

Indeed. And lots of salthill people own their own bikes already so don't need to use rentals.

Ruben Remus

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Indeed. And lots of salthill people own their own bikes already so don't need to use rentals.

I'm a 'Salthill person' who doesn't own a bike and would use the scheme if it was extended there.

joeKel73

They seem to be on a real go-slow rolling out the new stations. I've seen lads pottering around at random stations for a day here and there then disappearing for a few weeks.

what_traffic

J o e wrote: »

They seem to be on a real go-slow rolling out the new stations. I've seen lads pottering around at random stations for a day here and there then disappearing for a few weeks.

It must be just two/three construction workers contracted to do all 8 stations I reckon. Very slow in completing them all.

joeKel73

The new "Glenina" stand beside GMIT has been added to the map and they were deploying bikes on it this afternoon. Still showing offline on the map but looks ready to go.

Zzippy

The one at Fisheries Field has been progressing very slowly but looks almost ready now. Room for 30 bikes!

what_traffic

Zzippy wrote: »

The one at Fisheries Field has been progressing very slowly but looks almost ready now. Room for 30 bikes!

Is that located close to the pedestrian bridge into NUIG Campus?

topcat77

yes

Zzippy

what_traffic wrote: »

Is that located close to the pedestrian bridge into NUIG Campus?

Right beside it.

joeKel73

NUIG Kingfisher station is looking ready to go too. 40 spaces.

tenacious-me

J o e wrote: »

NUIG Kingfisher station is looking ready to go too. 40 spaces.

Did they take out the only covered bike parking spot around to put that in? Could be a little further up, haven't been there in a bit.

joeKel73

J o e wrote: »

The new "Glenina" stand beside GMIT has been added to the map and they were deploying bikes on it this afternoon. Still showing offline on the map but looks ready to go.

The new Glenina station is now showing as online with 2 bikes and 36 stands.

tenacious-me wrote: »

Did they take out the only covered bike parking spot around to put that in? Could be a little further up, haven't been there in a bit.

Can't remember if there was anything in that spot, but I think there's a covered bike stand beside the side carpark of Kingfisher.

what_traffic

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-public-bike-scheme-delayed-due-to-legal-action/

joeKel73

More info here...
https://www.thesun.ie/news/948858/planned-extensions-to-bike-scheme-in-three-irish-cities-skidded-to-a-halt-over-locking-patent/

spurscormac

Cowboys Ted.
Obviously had a prior licensing agreement on the initial docking stations and thought lets just copy them rather than negotiate an extension.
Who is overseeing these projects and allowing this sort of crap to get to this point?

joeKel73

spurscormac wrote: »

Obviously had a prior licensing agreement on the initial docking stations and thought lets just copy them rather than negotiate an extension.

But Tracetel are a member of the consortium (Telfourth Ltd) which was meant to be rolling out the extension so surely they should have been in on the planning and decision making.

So Telfourth Ltd is made up of Tracetel, Telclic Ltd and West Ireland Cycling, of those Tracetel and West Ireland Cycling have been suing the consortium. Sounds like an awful mess.

what_traffic

J o e wrote: »

More info here...
https://www.thesun.ie/news/948858/planned-extensions-to-bike-scheme-in-three-irish-cities-skidded-to-a-halt-over-locking-patent/

Very unusual it is only covered in the Sun? No mention on IT, Independent, RTE or the Connacht Tribune?

what_traffic

This is covered in the Tribune yesterday
http://connachttribune.ie/expansion-bike-scheme-stalls-due-action-locking-mechanisms-090/
"
The spokesperson for the National Transport Authority said that it was now up to the courts to deal with the issue.
“We will deal with this when it comes to the High Court – it will be dealt with by the courts and we will deal with it on that basis,” he said.
"

joeKel73

Last week I noticed they were working on the bike station on Lough Atalia (next to the playground behind the Huntsman). All the dock posts appeared to be opened, looked like they could have been removing the disputed locking mechanism from them.

yaledo

Some details of the case can be found at courts.ie , but the website looks like it's not designed to be useable for plebs like us.


The case is entitled:
"TRACETEL S A -V- TELFOURTH LTD & ANOR 2017/3425 P"

(I think ANOR means an additional defendant, and the addtitional defendent is the National Transport Authority)

Hugh Cregan and Jean Emery are listed as Deponents (I think this means they said something to the court)

It looks like there is (or was) be something scheduled in Chancery Court 5 on the 29th of May, and that there may be something listed for the Commercial court on 20th July.


Date Number Title Solicitor
17/05/2017 0 Notice of Court Motion Last Return Date 20/07/2017 COMMERCIAL LIST MOTIONS
15/05/2017 0 Affidavits Deponent HUGH CREGAN
04/05/2017 0 Memo Entry of Appearance Solicitor GALLIGAN JOHNSTON
20/04/2017 0 Memo Entry of Appearance Solicitor MC CANN FITZGERALD
13/04/2017 0 Affidavits Deponent JEAN EMERY
13/04/2017 0 Notice of Court Motion Last Return Date 29/05/2017 Chancery Court 5

daphne

May have been addressed on here already but can anyone tell me why there isn't a bike station anywhere in Salthill? surely the one area where you might want to trip out to. Is it because people would be tempted to cycle on the prom?

serfboard

daphne wrote: »

May have been addressed on here already but can anyone tell me why there isn't a bike station anywhere in Salthill? surely the one area where you might want to trip out to. Is it because people would be tempted to cycle on the prom?

Has been addresed many times here. Use the "Search This Thread" facility.

And no, the answer isn't because people might cycle on the prom.

joeKel73

daphne wrote: »

May have been addressed on here already but can anyone tell me why there isn't a bike station anywhere in Salthill?

In summary, it's best practice not to have isolated stations in a shared bike scheme - you'd leave someone stuck if they cycled out to Salthill to find no available docking spots. The scheme would have to extend out that direction with multiple stations.

Redhairedguy

Thanks for this clarification, J o e.

Mervyn Skidmore

Sailin, Welpark was supposed to get a station but no sign of anything being done there. Anyone know what happened there?

joeKel73

I suspect that one might have been moved to Lough Atalia Road (beside the playground behind The Huntsman). I hadn't heard of one due for Lough Atalia Road so was surprised to see it there.

Mervyn Skidmore

J o e wrote: »

I suspect that one might have been moved to Lough Atalia Road (beside the playground behind The Huntsman). I hadn't heard of one due for Lough Atalia Road so was surprised to see it there.

Rats, I'm living in Wellpark and was really looking forward to this at my doorstep.

joeKel73

yaledo wrote: »

Some details of the case can be found at courts.ie , but the website looks like it's not designed to be useable for plebs like us.


The case is entitled:
"TRACETEL S A -V- TELFOURTH LTD & ANOR 2017/3425 P"

(I think ANOR means an additional defendant, and the addtitional defendent is the National Transport Authority)

Hugh Cregan and Jean Emery are listed as Deponents (I think this means they said something to the court)

It looks like there is (or was) be something scheduled in Chancery Court 5 on the 29th of May, and that there may be something listed for the Commercial court on 20th July.


Date Number Title Solicitor
17/05/2017 0 Notice of Court Motion Last Return Date 20/07/2017 COMMERCIAL LIST MOTIONS
15/05/2017 0 Affidavits Deponent HUGH CREGAN
04/05/2017 0 Memo Entry of Appearance Solicitor GALLIGAN JOHNSTON
20/04/2017 0 Memo Entry of Appearance Solicitor MC CANN FITZGERALD
13/04/2017 0 Affidavits Deponent JEAN EMERY
13/04/2017 0 Notice of Court Motion Last Return Date 29/05/2017 Chancery Court 5

There were updates to this case on the 29th (Monday). Any legal eagles out there able to decipher what's happening with it? I'm guessing we'll be waiting now until 20th July?

yaledo

I think FH 2D means its scheduled "For Hearing" for 2 days, presumably 20-21 July in the commercial court.

joeKel73

yaledo wrote: »

I think FH 2D means its scheduled "For Hearing" for 2 days, presumably 20-21 July in the commercial court.

This court hearing should be happening today and tomorrow - stay tuned. Hopefully we'll get access to the new bike stations before the end of the summer!

what_traffic

Thanks Joe for that. The additional Stations for Galway are badly needed
New sponsor announced today for Dublin (+Dublin getting 15 new stations as well)
"
http://irishcycle.com/2017/07/20/dublin-city-council-boss-says-sustainable-transport-vital-as-council-shuts-cycle-path-for-u2-concert/
"

yaledo

Adjourned again until 23 October 2017 (I think)

joeKel73

Ah lads. This is ridiculous.

Robbo

yaledo wrote: »

I think FH 2D means its scheduled "For Hearing" for 2 days, presumably 20-21 July in the commercial court.

Most likely. There's no defined shorthand among the High Court registrars so it's a bit of a "reading the tea leaves" experience.

yaledo wrote: »

Adjourned again until 23 October 2017 (I think)

Seemed to have been a few affidavits going back and forth over the last 6-8 weeks. It was unlikely to have been heard anyway given how close today is to the end of the legal term.

There seems to be some issue with it being admitted to the Commercial High Court List (which is a fast track list). This points towards one side wanting it disposed with quickly and the other being opposed to this.

yaledo

Lots of bikes at Glenina last evening; the app shows some of the new stations as being on-line.

yaledo

yaledo wrote: »

Lots of bikes at Glenina last evening; the app shows some of the new stations as being on-line.

Its great to see just before the academic year starts, should see huge usage from that station heading towards town.

On the flipside, I pity anyone who cycles out only to find the station full from other users. they'll have no choice but to cycle back to the Huntsman to lock up at Lough Atalia and walk back up to GMIT. I'm hoping the GMIT station is large enough to prevent that happening

Out of curiosity I checked the timings and its 5 mins to cycle from Glenina back to the Lough Atlia station, but a 17 min walk back again to Glenina. Its possible the young fit yokes could shave a few mins off that, but you would still be looking at 15-20 mins of a round trip. Not ideal and thats 3-4 times the recommended distance between stations

Mrs OBumble

Deleted User wrote: »

Its great to see just before the academic year starts, should see huge usage from that station heading towards town.

Timing will be interesting, though. What time of day do you expect that station to see a lot of use?

Huge numbers of people currently catch the 405 bus to GMIT in the mornings. Far fewer are spotted catching the 405 back into town. I've never quite understood why this is ... do they all go back on the 409 because there's (tiny) bus shelter there?

I'd see most heading towards it for the 9am start of lectures. Although, there might be a big take up of people cycling into town too for the 9am start of work so it could balance out nicely. I guess we'll just have to wait and see

boardzz

Don't know if this has been mentioned but 3 of the new stations are gone live. They moved the locking mechanisms from other stations to these new ones and deactivated the stations they were take out of. Woodquay and bottom of eyre sq is two of them.
Bodkin, Dangan and Bon Secour are gone live.

joeKel73

They're working on the NUIG Kingfisher station this morning.

The screen was installed in the last few days and they have a small shelter over it today to work on linking it up.

Yay for the thread renaming

joeKel73

J o e wrote: »

They're working on the NUIG Kingfisher station this morning.

NUIG Kingfisher is now showing up as online. 1 bike, 39 stands.

death1234567

I used the Glenina Stand already, working fine and it's really handy. All downhill down to Lough Atalia and then pan flat over to the sparch. Great facility and it's pretty much free.

Redhairedguy

Really looking forward to the possibility of a Salthill stand!

what_traffic

boardzz wrote: »

Don't know if this has been mentioned but 3 of the new stations are gone live. They moved the locking mechanisms from other stations to these new ones and deactivated the stations they were take out of. Woodquay and bottom of eyre sq is two of them.
Bodkin, Dangan and Bon Secour are gone live.

Seems highly unusual.
You see them doing this? or are you just in the know as have seen no mention in local media about it.
Any idea what the differences to the locking mechanisms are?

boardzz

This court case is over the locking mechanisms. They are stopped from installing new locking mechanisms however they are allowed to move those that are currently installed.
ie. Close one station to open another.

Ruben Remus

Redhairedguy wrote: »

Really looking forward to the possibility of a Salthill stand!

Any news or developments on this?

what_traffic

boardzz wrote: »

This court case is over the locking mechanisms. They are stopped from installing new locking mechanisms however they are allowed to move those that are currently installed.
ie. Close one station to open another.

Yes that has been covered in the thread, just trying to understand what the difference between the two locking systems is? and why the change? Money?
Have seen in Lower Eyre Square docking station today that 4 of the docks are not available. (Wrapped with black plastic)

gordongekko

what_traffic wrote: »

Yes that has been covered in the thread, just trying to understand what the difference between the two locking systems is? and why the change? Money?
Have seen in Lower Eyre Square docking station today that 4 of the docks are not available. (Wrapped with black plastic)

Whole station was off line when i passed it this afternoon