British MPs to vote on EU Referndum to leave (No referendum on Europe happening)

RobitTV

Members of Parliament will debate Britain's membership of the European Union. They will then vote on whether the people of Britain should have a referendum to decide whether Britain should remain in or pull out of the EU.

The Labour Party and the Conservative Party are using the whips to force their MPs to vote against a referendum which could be particularly embarrassing for the Prime Minister David Cameron, if MPs vote in favour of the motion. Both parties should give their MPs a free vote in this important debate, already some 76 MPs including 60 Conservatives have said they will vote against the government in order to send a clear message to the Prime Minister that Britain does want a referendum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-scholesfogg/mps-debate-britains-eu-me_b_1027567.html

Watch live debate - http://news.sky.com/home/

Biggins

Jeasus RobitTV, welcome to either yesterdays or this morning news!

Got an opinion or view to add or just posting newsflashes?

orourkeda

And on it goes

Dravokivich

Biggins wrote: »

Jeasus RobitTV, welcome to either yesterdays or this morning news!

Got an opinion or view to add or just posting newsflashes?

Seems he's not as quick these days when he has to post a link in the OP.

KeithAFC

Hopefully they in favour of a referendum so we can get out of it.

SEPT 23 1989

Can we come too?

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

Hopefully they in favour of a referendum so we can get out of it.

If they do, they'll have to dump NI to cut their losses.:P

KeithAFC

ejmaztec wrote: »

If they do, they'll have to dump NI to cut their losses.:P

:pac:

You should join the Union again.

dlofnep

KeithAFC wrote: »

:pac:

You should join the Union again.

Because it worked out so great for us the first time?

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

:pac:

You should join the Union again.

The Union couldn't afford it, not since the peasants got pay rises.:P

mikemac

Well if the voters go the wrong way in the referendum, David Cameron can just tell them to vote again until they get it right

Celly Smunt

mikemac wrote: »

Well if the voters go the wrong way in the referendum, David Cameron can just tell them to vote again until they get it right

yes to europe,yes to jobs.
Europe,lets be at the heart of it.

tricky D

Where is the UK going to go when it leaves Europe? The Carribean? Tempting...

Anita Blow

If the people of the UK want to leave and there's evidence of support for a referendum then the government has no right to ignore that. Not sure the whole "we know what's best for you" attitude from government has worked well in the past.

Have to say though, if the UK does leave, I think the EU is done for. Don't think the EU could withstand the combination of losing one of it's biggest budget contributors and the political consequences of a country seeking to leave.

ejmaztec

I don't think they'll get anywhere near a referendum. The Labour government wriggled out of it and the present coalition will too. They won't trust the plebs with such an important decision.

Mike 1972

KeithAFC wrote: »

Hopefully they in favour of a referendum so we can get out of it.

Leaving the EU would be a disaster for the UK

RobitTV

It would be disaster for europe - they will die without 10's of billions in british budget contributions

dj jarvis

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Leaving the EU would be a disaster for the UK

it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

and also the republic would also lose out becasue boarder controls and tariffs would have to be re introduced - and 75% of our exports go by road via the UK - going back to the stone age really

but if ya wanna go Britain and march proudly back to the last time you were anything of a international force ( 1944 ) be our guest's

but we all know - not a chance of the British peasant getting a vote becasue its not really a democracy is it ?

Mike 1972

dj jarvis wrote: »

ukip and edf will have a field day

Electricity de France

UglyBolloxFace

mikemac wrote: »

Well if the voters go the wrong way in the referendum, David Cameron can just tell them to vote again until they get it right

Nope, that would only work on us stupid Irish plebs.

dj jarvis

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Electricity de France

LOL yea the electricity de france - sleeper cell on the edl

KeithAFC

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Leaving the EU would be a disaster for the UK

The EU is a disaster. The British people should be entitled to a referendum.

hooradiation

ejmaztec wrote: »

I don't think they'll get anywhere near a referendum. The Labour government wriggled out of it and the present coalition will too. They won't trust the plebs with such an important decision.

And rightly so.

dj jarvis

KeithAFC wrote: »

The EU is a disaster. The British people should be entitled to a referendum.

do you know what keith i agree with ya - the brits should have the right to vote on their own future - but unfortunately you cant - remember
SUBJECTS don't have the right determine their own future

great little democracy ya got going there - keep up the great work

you could always move down south 2 our republican utopia Keith - even as a foreigner you can vote in European referendum - you as a subject of the British crown don't have that right

Mike 1972

dj jarvis wrote: »

even as a foreigner you can vote in European referendum

FAIL!

mikemac

dj jarvis wrote: »

SUBJECTS don't have the right determine their own future

There are no subjects in the UK, they are citizens

That changed about two decades ago

Anita Blow

dj jarvis wrote: »

it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

and also the republic would also lose out becasue boarder controls and tariffs would have to be re introduced - and 75% of our exports go by road via the UK - going back to the stone age really

but if ya wanna go Britain and march proudly back to the last time you were anything of a international force ( 1944 ) be our guest's

but we all know - not a chance of the British peasant getting a vote becasue its not really a democracy is it ?

If the UK was to leave it'd more than likely remain part of EFTA so there'd be no tariffs. Plus we have a Common Travel Area with the UK so no border controls between the UK and Ireland. That's why we both stayed out of Schengen Area

woodoo

Norway is not in the EU but we can still do business with them without tariffs and vise versa. It would be the same if the UK left.

Blisterman

If they leave, does that mean we can get duty free booze going between the two countries?

A tempting prospect it must be said.

RobitTV

Vote at 10pm

LondonIrish90

The pro EU force will win by a very comfortable margin.

Its a shame, the British people want their sovereignty back.

However, real signs of discontent are beginning to appear, which in my opinion as a centre right, telegraph reading scumbag and lesser person to those mildly of the left, is a very good sign.

dj jarvis

Anita Blow wrote: »

If the UK was to leave it'd more than likely remain part of EFTA so there'd be no tariffs. Plus we have a Common Travel Area with the UK so no border controls between the UK and Ireland. That's why we both stayed out of Schengen Area

Switzerland does have customs and border controls - not stopping everyone but its still in force - i have been in trucks driving into and have been stopped and the truck manifest being checked

i flew into Norway this year and its not like flying into germany or holland , more checks - again nothing draconian but still not walk in and good luck

and people forget if a trade dispute between the UK and Europe breaks out in the future , they can heap large tariffs on tru-traffic or even stop it totally

think that is far fetched ? the EU and the USA have been having a trade spat for years involving metals and metal products ( not sure of the in's and out's of it )
i got charged extra on a laptop screen from the US because of extra tariffs due 2 the dispute , this is after the company tried to hid the fact it was a screen , they put on the customs documents it was glass ( contains no disputed metals )
4 moths later i got a bill from the courier company who had been charged by the US government for transporting disputed items and charged 40 euro extra - i told them to feck off and got a solicitors letter for my troubles

my point is the UK leaving is bad news for us seeing they are our land bridge to the continent - loads of unforeseen circumstances could come to light

LondonIrish90

dj jarvis wrote: »

it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

and also the republic would also lose out becasue boarder controls and tariffs would have to be re introduced - and 75% of our exports go by road via the UK - going back to the stone age really

but if ya wanna go Britain and march proudly back to the last time you were anything of a international force ( 1944 ) be our guest's

but we all know - not a chance of the British peasant getting a vote becasue its not really a democracy is it ?

If wanting to take care of their own domestic affairs while still maintaining healthy trading relationships with the European mainland is what you mean by "how the Brits roll" then I suppose you are correct. You seem to see that as a negative.

I would have thought your type (those who use the word "Brits" excessively, you know what I mean) would fully identify with this?

ballsymchugh

dj jarvis wrote: »

it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

they also haven't a clue how many benefits they've gained from the EU through working rights etc. if they did leave, the poor would get an even bigger kicking.

dj jarvis

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

If wanting to take care of their own domestic affairs while still maintaining healthy trading relationships with the European mainland is what you mean by "how the Brits roll" then I suppose you are correct. You seem to see that as a negative.

I would have thought your type (those who use the word "Brits" excessively, you know what I mean) would fully identify with this?

stop trying to label me as a brit hater , im not and was not trying to portray myself as such and don't see where you are getting that from

the brits call themselves brits so i presume its ok for me to use that term also ?

as for the roll comment it was not derogatory at all , in fact it was a compliment of sorts - they don't like Europe and will vote against it - that is how they roll - what is wrong with that ??

as for my type ? you have no idea of my type my friend - you could not be further from the truth

i think you are being a bit sensitive are you not - seeing what you want to see and making HUGE assumptions

dj jarvis

Mike 1972 wrote: »

FAIL!

winding keith up mike, calm down

RobitTV

Vote underway

paulnol

Very tough times ahead

It is obvious that the vote to call for a referendum in the British parliament would fail but the reality is people are asking questions and are increasingly becoming uncomfortable with the way Europe is been run.

No matter what side of the arguement you belong to, the fact is that the concept of EU as a phenomenon is no longer solid (to put it mildly).

Freddie59

KeithAFC wrote: »

:pac:

You should join the Union again.

The one that Scotland's trying to leave - and the one that 'Ulster':rolleyes::D is not really a part of??

Freddie59

RobitTV wrote: »

Members of Parliament will debate Britain's membership of the European Union. They will then vote on whether the people of Britain should have a referendum to decide whether Britain should remain in or pull out of the EU.

The Labour Party and the Conservative Party are using the whips to force their MPs to vote against a referendum which could be particularly embarrassing for the Prime Minister David Cameron, if MPs vote in favour of the motion. Both parties should give their MPs a free vote in this important debate, already some 76 MPs including 60 Conservatives have said they will vote against the government in order to send a clear message to the Prime Minister that Britain does want a referendum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-scholesfogg/mps-debate-britains-eu-me_b_1027567.html

Watch live debate - http://news.sky.com/home/

Aye - the party whip. Whence democracy?

Mike 1972

RobitTV wrote: »

Vote at 10pm

sanity has prevailed

KeithAFC

Freddie59 wrote: »

The one that Scotland's trying to leave - and the one that 'Ulster':rolleyes::D is not really a part of??

Scotland is trying to leave? I didn't think a vote on a referendum took part yet.

RobitTV

VOTE RESULTS -

A motion calling for a referendum on Europe was defeated tonight by 483 votes to 111

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will remain in the European Union

paulnol

Mike 1972 wrote: »

sanity has prevailed

I dont think you get the symbolism of the vote.No MP in the British parliament expected the vote to pass.

It was a case of rebellion by the Tory backbenchers, which in fact calls into question the authority of the PM and more importantly a situation whereby an online petition could necessitate or if you like instigate such a vote in the first place.

LondonIrish90

RobitTV wrote: »

VOTE RESULTS -

A motion calling for a referendum on Europe was defeated tonight by 483 votes to 111

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will remain in the European Union

111 against. Wow. The tide is turning.

I think, mister RobitTV, your last line needs to be edited to include two more words: for now.

OneArt

KeithAFC wrote: »

Hopefully they in favour of a referendum so we can get out of it.

I hope not I don't want to have the extra headache of having a visa to live in Germany.

LandL84

Yes to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to leave United Kingdom

who the fug

LandL84 wrote: »

Yes to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to leave United Kingdom

Can't see anyone in England caring if they do

getz

all eight northern irish MPs voted against the goverment,

Richard

getz wrote: »

all eight northern irish MPs voted against the goverment,

All 8 DUP MPs voted against the Govt (i.e., they voted Yes). I presume the Alliance, Independent and SDLP MPs either voted with the govt or abstained. The SDLP MPs take the Labour whip, so would have had a thee-line whip to support the Labour position (which was the same as the govt).

CORRECTION: Sylvia Hermon also voted against the government, but the SDLP and Alliance MPs voted with the Govt:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15440360

Richard

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

111 against. Wow. The tide is turning.

I think, mister RobitTV, your last line needs to be edited to include two more words: for now.

What tide? The UK would suffer greatly from leaving the EU. The British Government would lose a lot of influence in Europe and globally.

Think that Obama would be as interested in talking to Cameron if the UK wasnt in the EU? Think again.