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British MPs to vote on EU Referndum to leave (No referendum on Europe happening)

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  • #32
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    If the UK was to leave it'd more than likely remain part of EFTA so there'd be no tariffs. Plus we have a Common Travel Area with the UK so no border controls between the UK and Ireland. That's why we both stayed out of Schengen Area

    Switzerland does have customs and border controls - not stopping everyone but its still in force - i have been in trucks driving into and have been stopped and the truck manifest being checked

    i flew into Norway this year and its not like flying into germany or holland , more checks - again nothing draconian but still not walk in and good luck

    and people forget if a trade dispute between the UK and Europe breaks out in the future , they can heap large tariffs on tru-traffic or even stop it totally

    think that is far fetched ? the EU and the USA have been having a trade spat for years involving metals and metal products ( not sure of the in's and out's of it )
    i got charged extra on a laptop screen from the US because of extra tariffs due 2 the dispute , this is after the company tried to hid the fact it was a screen , they put on the customs documents it was glass ( contains no disputed metals )
    4 moths later i got a bill from the courier company who had been charged by the US government for transporting disputed items and charged 40 euro extra - i told them to feck off and got a solicitors letter for my troubles

    my point is the UK leaving is bad news for us seeing they are our land bridge to the continent - loads of unforeseen circumstances could come to light


  • #33
    LondonIrish90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭LondonIrish90


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

    and also the republic would also lose out becasue boarder controls and tariffs would have to be re introduced - and 75% of our exports go by road via the UK - going back to the stone age really

    but if ya wanna go Britain and march proudly back to the last time you were anything of a international force ( 1944 ) be our guest's

    but we all know - not a chance of the British peasant getting a vote becasue its not really a democracy is it ?

    If wanting to take care of their own domestic affairs while still maintaining healthy trading relationships with the European mainland is what you mean by "how the Brits roll" then I suppose you are correct. You seem to see that as a negative.

    I would have thought your type (those who use the word "Brits" excessively, you know what I mean) would fully identify with this?


  • #34
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    it would be a disaster financially for the UK - but if the peasants get the vote they will want out - becasue that is just the way the brits roll - want nuttfink 2 do with them bleedin forginers - ukip and edf will have a field day

    they also haven't a clue how many benefits they've gained from the EU through working rights etc. if they did leave, the poor would get an even bigger kicking.


  • #35
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    If wanting to take care of their own domestic affairs while still maintaining healthy trading relationships with the European mainland is what you mean by "how the Brits roll" then I suppose you are correct. You seem to see that as a negative.

    I would have thought your type (those who use the word "Brits" excessively, you know what I mean) would fully identify with this?


    stop trying to label me as a brit hater , im not and was not trying to portray myself as such and don't see where you are getting that from

    the brits call themselves brits so i presume its ok for me to use that term also ?

    as for the roll comment it was not derogatory at all , in fact it was a compliment of sorts - they don't like Europe and will vote against it - that is how they roll - what is wrong with that ??

    as for my type ? you have no idea of my type my friend - you could not be further from the truth

    i think you are being a bit sensitive are you not - seeing what you want to see and making HUGE assumptions


  • #36
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    FAIL!


    winding keith up mike, calm down


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  • #37
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Vote underway


  • #38
    paulnol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭paulnol


    Very tough times ahead

    It is obvious that the vote to call for a referendum in the British parliament would fail but the reality is people are asking questions and are increasingly becoming uncomfortable with the way Europe is been run.

    No matter what side of the arguement you belong to, the fact is that the concept of EU as a phenomenon is no longer solid (to put it mildly).


  • #39
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    :pac:

    You should join the Union again.

    The one that Scotland's trying to leave - and the one that 'Ulster':rolleyes::D is not really a part of??


  • #40
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Members of Parliament will debate Britain's membership of the European Union. They will then vote on whether the people of Britain should have a referendum to decide whether Britain should remain in or pull out of the EU.

    The Labour Party and the Conservative Party are using the whips to force their MPs to vote against a referendum which could be particularly embarrassing for the Prime Minister David Cameron, if MPs vote in favour of the motion. Both parties should give their MPs a free vote in this important debate, already some 76 MPs including 60 Conservatives have said they will vote against the government in order to send a clear message to the Prime Minister that Britain does want a referendum.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-scholesfogg/mps-debate-britains-eu-me_b_1027567.html

    Watch live debate - http://news.sky.com/home/

    Aye - the party whip. Whence democracy?


  • #41
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Vote at 10pm

    sanity has prevailed


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  • #42
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    The one that Scotland's trying to leave - and the one that 'Ulster':rolleyes::D is not really a part of??
    Scotland is trying to leave? :confused: I didn't think a vote on a referendum took part yet.


  • #43
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    VOTE RESULTS -

    A motion calling for a referendum on Europe was defeated tonight by 483 votes to 111

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will remain in the European Union


  • #44
    paulnol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭paulnol


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    sanity has prevailed

    I dont think you get the symbolism of the vote.No MP in the British parliament expected the vote to pass.

    It was a case of rebellion by the Tory backbenchers, which in fact calls into question the authority of the PM and more importantly a situation whereby an online petition could necessitate or if you like instigate such a vote in the first place.


  • #45
    LondonIrish90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭LondonIrish90


    RobitTV wrote: »
    VOTE RESULTS -

    A motion calling for a referendum on Europe was defeated tonight by 483 votes to 111

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will remain in the European Union

    111 against. Wow. The tide is turning.

    I think, mister RobitTV, your last line needs to be edited to include two more words: for now.


  • #46
    OneArt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Hopefully they in favour of a referendum so we can get out of it.

    I hope not I don't want to have the extra headache of having a visa to live in Germany.


  • #47
    LandL84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 ✭LandL84


    Yes to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to leave United Kingdom :D


  • #48
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    LandL84 wrote: »
    Yes to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to leave United Kingdom :D


    Can't see anyone in England caring if they do


  • #49
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    all eight northern irish MPs voted against the goverment,


  • #50
    Richard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Richard


    getz wrote: »
    all eight northern irish MPs voted against the goverment,

    All 8 DUP MPs voted against the Govt (i.e., they voted Yes). I presume the Alliance, Independent and SDLP MPs either voted with the govt or abstained. The SDLP MPs take the Labour whip, so would have had a thee-line whip to support the Labour position (which was the same as the govt).

    CORRECTION: Sylvia Hermon also voted against the government, but the SDLP and Alliance MPs voted with the Govt:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15440360


  • #51
    Richard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Richard


    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    111 against. Wow. The tide is turning.

    I think, mister RobitTV, your last line needs to be edited to include two more words: for now.

    What tide? The UK would suffer greatly from leaving the EU. The British Government would lose a lot of influence in Europe and globally.

    Think that Obama would be as interested in talking to Cameron if the UK wasnt in the EU? Think again.


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  • #52
    Richard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Richard


    OneArt wrote: »
    I hope not I don't want to have the extra headache of having a visa to live in Germany.

    And work permits!

    Although people from NI (and many from GB) would just get Irish passports.


  • #53
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Richard wrote: »
    What tide? The UK would suffer greatly from leaving the EU. The British Government would lose a lot of influence in Europe and globally.

    Think that Obama would be as interested in talking to Cameron if the UK wasnt in the EU? Think again.
    sorry richard but it seems you are not aware of the agreement made between the UK and NAFTA,put into place in the event that the EU goes tits up.


  • #54
    Richard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Richard


    getz wrote: »
    sorry richard but it seems you are not aware of the agreement made between the UK and NAFTA,put into place in the event that the EU goes tits up.

    Enlighten me, then.


  • #55
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Richard wrote: »
    Enlighten me, then.
    try my best ,most of my links have a nasty habit of not working through boards, http://.thetrumpet.com/?q=134.65..0


  • #56
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Richard wrote: »
    Enlighten me, then.
    http://.thetrumpet.com/?q=134.65.6.0


  • #57
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    getz wrote: »
    http://.thetrumpet.com/?q=134.65.6.0

    http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=134.65.6.0


  • #58
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    msg11 wrote: »
    http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=134.65.6.0
    thanks mate ,thats the one


  • #59
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    I wonder how many that are against the EU in Britain and demand its withdrawal from it would suddenly miss their The Sun sponsored £9 Booze Cruises to Calais, bringing back cheap cigarettes from Spain, find their mobile phone bill go up drastically when roaming, find imports of goods from mainland Europe more costly, and find their household costs rising especially when they call out a plumber or looking to get an extension done to their house and realise that they have to call someone British to do the job who would be looking to earn a living wage and not someone Polish or Latvian who would do it for a fraction of the cost?

    Much of the opposition to the EU in Britain comes more from vested interests who would see their predicted scenario under withdrawal to their advantage at the expense of many others, and have convinced a lot of people that the EU is the Great Satan. The EU is far from a perfect organisation and IMO requires some substantial reform to cut out some bloat but to throw the baby out with the bath water would I believe be a massive mistake for the UK in the long term.


  • #60
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    lawhec wrote: »
    I wonder how many that are against the EU in Britain and demand its withdrawal from it would suddenly miss their The Sun sponsored £9 Booze Cruises to Calais, bringing back cheap cigarettes from Spain, find their mobile phone bill go up drastically when roaming, find imports of goods from mainland Europe more costly, and find their household costs rising especially when they call out a plumber or looking to get an extension done to their house and realise that they have to call someone British to do the job who would be looking to earn a living wage and not someone Polish or Latvian who would do it for a fraction of the cost?

    Much of the opposition to the EU in Britain comes more from vested interests who would see their predicted scenario under withdrawal to their advantage at the expense of many others, and have convinced a lot of people that the EU is the Great Satan. The EU is far from a perfect organisation and IMO requires some substantial reform to cut out some bloat but to throw the baby out with the bath water would I believe be a massive mistake for the UK in the long term.
    how can you say that the EU has been good for you ?you do realize that ireland has ended up with debts that you will be unable to pay back,and the burden will be on irelands next generation.,on a lighter note david cameron has been involved in a furious row with french president nicolas sarkozy who said he was sick of the UK offering advice on the euro,and now germany is also upset with sarkosy,its all happening.


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  • #61
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    getz wrote: »
    how can you say that the EU has been good for you ?you do realize that ireland has ended up with debts that you will be unable to pay back,and the burden will be on irelands next generation.,on a lighter note david cameron has been involved in a furious row with french president nicolas sarkozy who said he was sick of the UK offering advice on the euro,and now germany is also upset with sarkosy,its all happening.
    I'm a nordie, so the Republic's debt burden isn't directly affected on myself. Besides, I'm not sure how the EU is directly responsible for the debt burden the Irish Republic now has - I'd lay the blame a lot more firmly on politician's in the Dail and too many people in the country trying to live beyond their means.


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