A good Jeep/off road/ also around town car

Arcto

Hey,

This might be better suited to the car forum but I imagine they would never use a Jeep/Off roader for shooting (ok there is bound to be a few who cross forums )

Basically my Festi (99 C) is getting a bit worn down, both aesthetically and mechanically, and it might be time to put her out to sea in a burning ship.

I will probably have to replace it early next year (Jan/Feb) and was thinking of getting a Jeep type vehicle. Cars were never my thing so I know feck all about them except how not to crash and that my insurance is too high for my age plus many many years no claim bonus. What would be a good Jeep or offroad type vehicle that would be suitable for going shooting with and driving to work every day?

Price wise would not want to go over €4K.

Any suggestions?

Glensman

Nissan X-trail- might be tight getting one on that budget though...

LordSutch

Is this about a good Jeep or a good 4X4.

Cass

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just about to post that. Excellent vehicle on and off the road. However the budget might be a little low for a decent year.


Another option for pure off road and on road/runabout) would be a defender. Workhorse of a jeep, and simple as chips to run.

browning 12 bore

hey there fella here it is the greatest little jeep going its called a suzuki jimmy of grand vitara i had one for years shooting foxs and sstalking as well and where my little grand vitara went you would not walk it lo lol lol and you would get one for approx 2 to 3 thousand no prob on interenet

Arcto

LordSutch wrote: »

Is this about a good Jeep or a good 4X4.

You mean Jeep as in the brand? Sorry but I allways refer to 4x4's/pickups as Jeeps :P

garv123

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/2390128

not a bad bus for the moneys. commercial too.

charlie10

they are a bad bus actually nissan had recalls on them for serious engine work buying one that old could cost you alot in the long run. i would agree with a vitara . remember x trail are 2.2 and road tax would be saucy

moby30

Used a discovery 3 for years and it was nothing but trouble and would get stuck everywhere I went. Got rid of it and got a car-stupidly. After a while of wrecking the car I decided to get a jeep for shooting and it will come in handy when the snow returns- so after looking around decided on either a defender or a pajero. The defenders look the part but were uncomfortable as the seating position is notoriously awkward and the only extra available is the steering wheel. Ended up getting a jap import pajero as it has a lot of extras you dont get in an Irish model and I'm delighted with it- it has aircon sunroof all elecs etc and it's commercial. You can pick them up handy enough- just make sure the head gasket it good- that was the advice given to me anyway.

Spunk84

i was always told a nissan patrol is the king of the 4x4s always noticed you never see them in scrap yards

tonytoc11

Glensman wrote: »

Nissan X-trail- might be tight getting one on that budget though...

Plenty of them on donedeal for aroung 4g

BELOWaverageIQ

Subaru Forester.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2554484

Spunk84

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2531663

one of these bad boys would do. Also can be ran on LPG

Arcto

That's.......slightly outside my range spunk

Farmlife

i've got a navara, nothing bad to say about it, although i haven't taking it major off road, its the new model, but the older ones are solid too

50cal

Nothing lasts like a Landcruiser. Great balance between reliability , 4x4 ability and comfort.
Assuming you can stomach the private road tax! or indeed tax a commercial version successfully!?

Glensman

charlie10 wrote: »

they are a bad bus actually nissan had recalls on them for serious engine work buying one that old could cost you alot in the long run. i would agree with a vitara . remember x trail are 2.2 and road tax would be saucy

They're a great bus in 2.0 which most of them are.
The 2.2 was/is a pig though- awful engine.

50cal

Glensman wrote: »

They're a great bus in 2.0 which most of them are.
The 2.2 was/is a pig though- awful engine.

+1
The 2.2 X-trail diesel engine was made from chocolate and will not do the miles.You would be best advised to buy a Rav4 if your looking at small 4wd's.They may be a little richer to buy but they last and the D4D diesel is good for miles.

Hibrion

+1 for steering clear of the nissan nevaras. They aren't the best. A land cruiser would be excellent but you'll have trouble finding a good one at that price.

Just be aware that most of these have large engines so you have to factor in a significant increase in the amount of juice you'll need and higher tax; especially if your used to a fiesta.

Sika98k

Mk5 Toyota Hilux crewcab. Mechanically not too complicated,2.5 D4D engine. Pretty unburstable.

fish slapped

Discovery the 300TDI in good nick is a whole lot of jeep for the money. Every thing can be unbolted and replaced if you need to and parts are dirt cheap.

http://www.paddockspares.com/parts-and-accessories/land-rover-discovery-2.html

landkeeper

2nd vote for a 300 disco only downside is 930 tax for the car version :mad:

Deer Hunter DL

Toyota and LandRover buy either thats it enough said

Glensman

Deer Hunter DL wrote: »

Toyota and LandRover buy either thats it enough said

Never seen someone recommend a Land Rover and a Toyota in the same sentence!

Most people who have owned a Toyota would never go near a Land Rover.
Land Rover users are people who have never been exposed to a decent 4x4 ;):D

I have a Daihatsu Fourtrak. Unbelievably reliable and rubust-Very capable off-road. But from the OP's requirements I assume they're after somethins more car-y.

Deer Hunter DL

Glensman wrote: »

Never seen someone recommend a Land Rover and a Toyota in the same sentence!

Most people who have owned a Toyota would never go near a Land Rover.
Land Rover users are people who have never been exposed to a decent 4x4 ;):D

I have a Daihatsu Fourtrak. Unbelievably reliable and rubust-Very capable off-road. But from the OP's requirements I assume they're after somethins more car-y.

and you drive a Daihatsu Fourtrak :D:D:D ,
i have had both toyotas and landrovers and i can say both preformed very well ,with both having good and bad points about each other

Glensman

Deer Hunter DL wrote: »

and you drive a Daihatsu Fourtrak :D:D:D ,
i have had both toyotas and landrovers and i can say both preformed very well ,with both having good and bad points about each other

It's a bit like a land-rover.
Only it's reliable, has a chassis that didn't start rusting before it left the factory and it can actually hold someone of my [cough] build.

Land-rovers are So small inside they had to put the key on the left so you could close the door!!

I forgot to mention, the fourtrak has a heater that actually works and I don't have to wear ear defenders when I go over 40mph!!!

fish slapped

you shouldn't sit in the glove box of the disco then!!!

theres more than enough room in the disco even for a man of my frame!!!!:o

Glensman

fish slapped wrote: »

you shouldn't sit in the glove box of the disco then!!!

theres more than enough room in the disco even for a man of my frame!!!!:o

I was comparing more to the Defender mate. I have no doubt the Disco would be roomy! It's near the size of a caravan :eek:

On a side note, it's not all bad. Land Rover Defenders *look* class.

It's a good thing Tack isn't here or he'd be argueing for that monster truck yoke he drives :rolleyes:


Has a big light-bar on the roof now- but much the same:

E. Fudd

My bit of advice:

I've had many types of jeeps, and every time I've gone to change I've said "I'll by a landcruiser this time", but always ended up buying something else, ie pajero, disco, defender, l200, vitara all of which had there flaws and all of which gave trouble to some extent. Finally, 2 years ago I decided to buy the landcruiser and I'll never buy anything else again. It's fantastic off road, a pleasure on road and hasn't given me an ounce of trouble. Old or new, landcruiser is your only man. Trust me.

Grizzly 45

From experiance of Landrovers and Range Rovers,thats from owning and driving various models over a decade plus....I'd rather walk!:(

I really dont know how they got this brilliant reputation,proably as there was nothing else on the market in the early 1950s..
IMHO they are the biggest POS ever put together.Totally dated in design by now noisey,rattley and a steering better suited to a boat,designed by sadists for masochists,I am amazed the unsafe original Landrover design is still allowed to be produced and sold.There is absolutely NILL protection if it ends upside down,and rear face to face seats,with no belts:eek::eek:...Good job you can unbolt everything quickly..As you will spend loads of time under them than actually in them!! The 110 chasis rusted even in dry weather,and seems to have been made from the cheapest mild steel possible.The bulkhead is still rotting out in no time,ditto the door and window sills.

The Discovery...Lets not go there!! They seem to be the most common 4wds being towed away on flatbeds..Says it all.

Range Rover..Has got better granted over the years,[first gen was a total pig! ] but is now so overpriced,and still has stupid faults,like its air suspension lines being run over the exhaust system!!:rolleyes: any decent delux Jap will compete with it for efficency,comfort and still leave you a few quid to fill the tank.Give me a 1990's Toyota VX Amazon over 2 range rovers anyday.

Freelander...I drove one...once!:(

My rates are..
Jeep Cherokee [the 90s model,not the bug eyed monstrosity of recent years] Two litre diesel, ok,4litre petrol [if you can afford the tax and petrol is brilliant]Small enough for round town work ,nice on road driver,average off roader.Put a 2in suspension lift kit in it[about 1000 USD all in] and a decent set of tyres and it becomes an exellent off roader.
Can be modified as you please with plenty of cheap US imported parts.
If it hasnt been abused ,farmerised,or driven into the ground.Its a fine wagon.


Pajero
bought recently a 1995 Shogun/ Pajero to replace my Cherokee..Am kicking myself as to why I didnt do this sooner!Comfortable as Hell,a miser on fuel,cheap enough parts even from the UK at STg prices.Exellent off roader.Cant say much else as I havent had it long enough to give an honest opinion.

landkeeper

people buy land rovers because they can actually get where they need to off road and they are easy to work on when they break and the parts are peanuts
anyone who bought a cherokee diesel should have their head examined that vm diesel was the biggest pos ever produced

Glensman

landkeeper wrote: »

people buy land rovers because they can actually get where they need to off road and they are easy to work on when they break and the parts are peanuts
anyone who bought a cherokee diesel should have their head examined that vm diesel was the biggest pos ever produced

Other people avoid Landrovers because they have better things to do than constantly fix their jeep- no matter how easy it is to work on!

(I don't like Cherokees either)

Grizzly 45

People who KNOW Cherokees go and buy the 4litre petrol engine[if they can afford it] and convert it to LPG ..And simply drive ,and keep driving.
Parts are about the same as LR in price,but one most important difference is when you fix somthing on a Cherokee,it stays fixed!! A LR ,the same thing might go two days,or 2 weeks later on a landrover.
Not to mind a Jap or Cherokee comes with lots of things as standard,that you STILL have to buy as optional accessorys from Landrover!!
Like a radio!!Last time I looked that was still an optional extra..Not that you could hear it anyway with the engine and road noise.:eek:

Yes the VM diesel was a POS, IF it was one of the Fiat units.Nuff said!!

If I want somthing that will go forever if looked after properly,is twice as resillient,will go places a Landrover will puke on,can plough a field,and power anything with a PTO[Somthing LR used to do and offer.And has somwhat more creature comforts than a Landrover.Like a working heater.

That vechicle is a Mercedes Unimog or the Mercedes Gwagon!! Unfortunatly rather expensive the unimog,and you have to be a Rap singer[???] or drug dealer to be able to afford a G wagon these days..

landkeeper

unimog vrs landrover :rolleyes: ah come on grizzly hardly a comparison is it i'll raise you a argocat that'll put a mog to shame on most offroad terrain but it's hardly practical either is it
like all mechanical things its down to maintenance if you look after it it'll look after you , i have a discovery amongst my landrovers its the everyday car its done 50 something k in the last 3 years has never broken down or left me walking and it gets dogs abuse a neighbour has a 95 discovery with over 375k on it and that has treated him in a similar fashion
you'd look a proper pillock round here with a lpg vehicle there is no-where within 25 miles to fill it any more and try taxing that privately :eek: or selling it on lol

Longranger

My regular shooting buddy recently sold his swb shogun(96 model) and bought a 06 pajero sport, and hasn't stopped kicking himself since! That old wagon got us to SO many places that even a tractor wouldn't bring you. The new one is good but the old one was unreal off road, not too thirsty, comfy on long drives and we pulled many a landy out of the ditch! I would buy one in a heartbeat.

ROSSKI

Has anyone on hear got an L200 (The older model pre '07) - I am looking for a pickup and especially like the look of the warrior model , Budget €5000 max

How are they on juice,reliability, off road ,On road:D

Are they any good or any pitfalls I should look for?

Tackleberry.

ROSSKI wrote: »

Has anyone on hear got an L200 (The older model pre '07) - I am looking for a pickup and especially like the look of the warrior model , Budget €5000 max

How are they on juice,reliability, off road ,On road:D

Are they any good or any pitfalls I should look for?

I have a 98 l200 and love it, its a crewcab as everyone knows and ideal as i shoot deer and it keeps the smells out of the cabin,its also brill for the dogs, ive a ARB winch bumper at the front and a heavy rear bumper, KUMO mud tyres so it known as the tank around here, I had the SWB Pajero also brill but easy to turn over and bounces like buck a ru on a bad road (all swb suffer this).
But the L200 or the Pajero never broke down, drink the same amount of juice which is a little more than other 4x4s but they are heavier (made from good stuff not like the Landy) little to no rust, lot more cozy than my d22 Navara, (seats are to low for my legs and i'm 5'10"), dont know of any pit falls realy.........?

ROSSKI

Tackleberry. wrote: »

I have a 98 l200 and love it, its a crewcab as everyone knows and ideal as i shoot deer and it keeps the smells out of the cabin,its also brill for the dogs, ive a ARB winch bumper at the front and a heavy rear bumper, KUMO mud tyres so it known as the tank around here, I had the SWB Pajero also brill but easy to turn over and bounces like buck a ru on a bad road (all swb suffer this).
But the L200 or the Pajero never broke down, drink the same amount of juice which is a little more than other 4x4s but they are heavier (made from good stuff not like the Landy) little to no rust, lot more cozy than my d22 Navara, (seats are to low for my legs and i'm 5'10"), dont know of any pit falls realy.........?

Good man thanks -Just what I wanted to hear - Now all I have to do is sell the quad;)

BigBoi83

ROSSKI wrote: »

Has anyone on hear got an L200 (The older model pre '07) - I am looking for a pickup and especially like the look of the warrior model , Budget €5000 max

How are they on juice,reliability, off road ,On road:D

Are they any good or any pitfalls I should look for?

I have an 05 warrior and its great so far, as said earlier it kinda heavy on juice but its a heavy machine...havent really challenged it off road as yet but i love it. it can be a little bouncy though when driving country roads..

My first jeep/pick up so i couldnt compare it to others

Grizzly 45

landkeeper wrote: »

unimog vrs landrover :rolleyes: ah come on grizzly hardly a comparison

Beg to differ LK.They are about the same vintage.[original design1948and 1950]No I'm not talking about the modern 120Kplus modern Mog yokes.:)
Their design concept was 100 the same ,a do anything[literaly] on or off road vechicle that could plough a field and then deliver the farmer with his produce to the market.Landrover got theirs out first.Mercedes just built a more reliable and practical design:p
Practical,well if you dont intend to go over 50mph,either will do it.
Price, a Landrover IS cheaper ,but will be scrap while the Mog is getting its second wind.

like all mechanical things its down to maintenance if you look after it it'll look after you ,

I rebuilt the 110 from the chassis up,as I couldnt afford a galvanised one.It just never stopped rusting!Even after being waxoled..Ditto new outriggers,bulkhead,the engine [2.3 diesel] was the lamest,mankiest POS ever built!!You said the cherokee diesel was bad????This was utter junk!!!No power at all worth mentioning blew its lifters,timing belt,and head in that order in four months flat,despite being serviced by a qualified Landrover garage..Lets not go there about LRs absolutely CRAP after sales service in the ROI. fuel pump seals were a weekly replacement job.
The fuel tank must have been built from paper mache it leaked so often,and wasnt helped by the retarded side fuel sensor and outlet pipe design.Compared to the first one I had a SWB seris 2a,[which was my first ever car] It was a complete lemon.
That one while noisey,smelly rattley diesely and wobbly,did in fairness teach a 19 year old Grizzly alot about off roading and car mechanics,as this was another one I virtually rebuilt with a HAMES manual for assistance.:rolleyes:
Sorry,25 years on I've got better things to do with my life than spend every waking hour under my 4wd fixing this or replacing that on a daily basis.Well aware about looking after equipment as I had to rebuild mostly 3rd hand POS machinery all my life here,and pray that it would keep going.:):rolleyes:

i have a discovery amongst my landrovers its the everyday car its done 50 something k in the last 3 years has never broken down or left me walking and it gets dogs abuse a neighbour has a 95 discovery with over 375k on it and that has treated him in a similar fashion

:eek:The two of ye must be the most luckiest owners then,When those two Discos rolled offf the Solihull line in Brummie everyone must have been sober,in a good mood and paid up,or there was divine intervention that day.
I drove one once for a month and was only too happy to get out of it at the end.Nothing,but nothing worked properly in that thing.The doors had gaps you could waggle your finger thru[and that was with every RR I had too].Electric windows ,blew fuses about once every other day.Gearbox sounded like a beaten dog.Fuel and oil leaks in the crankshaft pully,gear box rear diff seals.
Anyone that I have ever talked to who had any Landrover say the same thing..
The two happiest days anyone has with a Landrover is the day you buy it and the second is the day you sell it! I'm inclined from personal experiance too to belive them!

you'd look a proper pillock round here with a lpg vehicle there is no-where within 25 miles to fill it any more and try taxing that privately :eek: or selling it on lol

Give it time LK.The LPG WILL make a comback here too.
TBH if anyone had a decent 4litre ,for the amount of driving I do..I'd have one again no problem,and 500 quid for a vechicle,about going rate isnt bad.If you arent doing massive mileage ,or want it for a winter vechicle of four months..As most do..Cant ask for cheaper.

landkeeper

lol they say a land rover never dies but it will always be sick
horses for courses if they are so bad then i wonder why there have so many built and sold on every continent in the world

Glensman

landkeeper wrote: »

lol they say a land rover never dies but it will always be sick
horses for courses if they are so bad then i wonder why there have so many built and sold on every continent in the world

I wonder the Very same thing, Every day!!!

It'll have to be chalked down to one of life's great mysteries- because it certainly aint down to them being any good!

landkeeper

yeah i suppose that over a million vehicle sales would indicate that all-right and that supposedly 70% of those built are still in use :cool:

Glensman

landkeeper wrote: »

yeah i suppose that over a million vehicle sales would indicate that all-right and that supposedly 70% of those built are still in use :cool:

and I would say that 80% of the 70% still in use have had a new chassis and the other 20% need a new chassis!

When you look at it. They're engines were/are powerful- but unreliable. The chassis is a disgrace so that only leaves the body and drive train.

I'll give you the drive-train, but although the body didn't rust- it is/was noisy, cold and would shake the bones out of you.

Coupled to the fact that they have an almost fanatical following which inflates prices, they are also bad value... Say in comparison to a LandCruiser.

Grizzly 45

Maybe because up to the 1980s there WAS nothing to challange it properly.When Toyota,Mitzi and Nissan got going,it ate into LR worldwide dominance.LR just would not move with the times [like most UK products post 1945] and lost its pole position in the World markets.
Possibly 70% might be still going..But do they stop when they need to??
That was another horror I had a seris3 LWB,the brakes in it were somthing terrible and would break your heart to try and sort out.:(


Glensman even the body rots out especially the forward bulkhead,as it is a mix of steel and Birmabright[LR answer to aluminium].I reckon it is caused by some sort of static electrical discharge or that there are no sacrifical anodes to prevent corrision.But once that starts to go.You are looking at serious repair and replacement downtime.

landkeeper

lads you need to start a 'we hate landrover 'club
grizzly you are moaning and complaing about a car that has not been made since 1983 there are thousands of them still in everyday how many of the 1970s/80s cruisers fourtracks and suchlike are on the road i had a 70s series cruiser for a a while it drank diesel and was the most bumpy uncomfortable 4wd i have ever had , i had a 80 series cruiser that was great mechanically but like every one of the jap yokes it dissolved with the irish climate far quicker than any land rover and when it had got to that point it was unrepairable
the fanatical following for land rover comes from the fact that you can use , repair, rebuild , cheaply easily and with very few special tools you can buy easily any part you need or want from a complete chassis to new engine gearbox with one phone call they are simple machines that attract because of that fact
go and find me any 70s 80s 90s 4wd that has the same appeal or following with the exception of a jeepcj you won't
a land rover is the remington 700 of the 4 wheel drive world

Glensman

landkeeper wrote: »

lads you need to start a 'we hate landrover 'club
grizzly you are moaning and complaing about a car that has not been made since 1983 there are thousands of them still in everyday how many of the 1970s/80s cruisers fourtracks and suchlike are on the road i had a 70s series cruiser for a a while it drank diesel and was the most bumpy uncomfortable 4wd i have ever had , i had a 80 series cruiser that was great mechanically but like every one of the jap yokes it dissolved with the irish climate far quicker than any land rover and when it had got to that point it was unrepairable
the fanatical following for land rover comes from the fact that you can use , repair, rebuild , cheaply easily and with very few special tools you can buy easily any part you need or want from a complete chassis to new engine gearbox with one phone call they are simple machines that attract because of that fact
go and find me any 70s 80s 90s 4wd that has the same appeal or following with the exception of a jeepcj you won't
a land rover is the remington 700 of the 4 wheel drive world

I better wax-oil my 700 Quick!!! :eek:

Grizzly 45

landkeeper wrote: »

lads you need to start a 'we hate landrover 'club

grizzly you are moaning and complaing about a car that has not been made since 1983

EH???? lost me there LK.

there are thousands of them still in everyday how many of the 1970s/80s cruisers fourtracks and suchlike are on the road i had a 70s series cruiser for a a while it drank diesel and was the most bumpy uncomfortable 4wd i have ever had , i had a 80 series cruiser that was great mechanically but like every one of the jap yokes it dissolved with the irish climate far quicker than any land rover and when it had got to that point it was unrepairable

Not many granted..But that was 20 years ago too.They have managed to make steel that is abit harder than chocolate now.:D

the fanatical following for land rover comes from the fact that you can use , repair, rebuild , cheaply easily and with very few special tools you can buy easily any part you need or want from a complete chassis to new engine gearbox with one phone call they are simple machines that attract because of that fact

Ah You must be as J Clarkson describes Landrover enthaustists One of the wide bottomed,large, bearded hairy people who have an alarming collection of very large knives who enjoy getting themselves stuck in awkward and muddy places for the weekend! Or somthing to that effect.:D:D
Horses for courses
If they crank your crank.Good stuff.They used to,for a short while, do things for me too[more negative than positive things that is:eek:]
But like a first love and other things in life,I just grew out of them,as there were better options I think out there.

go and find me any 70s 80s 90s 4wd that has the same appeal or following with the exception of a jeepcj you won't

Not here in IRL,but certainly the US,the old FJ40 is still a prized possession especially the fibreglass body ones. The Chevvy Blazer[proably the US answer to the Range Rover],international harvester Scout,the Ford Bronco old model.The Hilux PU in all its shapes inc 1st Gen surf over here .

meathstevie

Folks, for what it's worth. I can't find much wrong with my ten year old mazda b2500 ( identical to Ford Ranger ). Quite comfortable on road, not too bad off road and it will carry or tow a load no bother. The only thing I ever changed are the leaf springs and that's after hauling tons and tons of firewood and god knows what the previous owner done with it.

It needs a bit of work on the front suspension now as well but after 115k miles and by the looks of it all original bits still in place that's only normal.

johnk123

Personally I just have a soft spot for the Defender. I think it's something I will definitely own at least once in my life.... so be it if it is a bit thirsty, suffers the occasional "illness".... I think I'll still bite the bullet so to speak and just go for one. Like I say... need to do it once at least!

Kryten

Had a Series 2A up to about 2003. Bought it for drinking money. Physically, I replaced the fuel tank outriggers and the rear crossmember. I am not too bad with a welder. Gave the engine some TLC, A 2.25 PETROL very thirsty. I replaced all brake cylinders and drums and fitted a servo from a Series 3.

Without too longwinded of a story, it was the most fun vehicle, most uncomfortable vehicle I had. The only reliability issue I had was the **** gearboxes on the series models.

I would definitely get another. Now wheres me anorak?