Nanny statists back at the helm

WalterMitty

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1018/alcohol.html

Despite having one of dearest alcohol prices in world already and with no sign that that has affected demand significantly, the minister now wants us to pay even more for drink.

I can see a massive break for the border if this law comes in, people brining in crates of booze from Newry, filling vans for the year and a massive blackmarket in smuggled drink.

Instead of attacking those who misuse alcohol they take easy option and hit everyone. When you hit everyone , you hit no one.
I dont even drink much but will be stocking up abroad when this law comes in.

MagicMarker

WalterMitty wrote: »

I dont even drink much but will be stocking up abroad when this law comes in.

Why would you do that if you don't drink?

Saila

really I thought it said this..

RTE news site wrote:

Minister Roisin Shortall has told a seminar in Dublin that she is taking legal advice on how to tackle below-cost selling of alcohol.
1 of 1[URL="javascript:void(0)"][/URL][URL="javascript:void(0)"][/URL]The Government is examining the availability of cheap alcohol


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The Minister of State with responsibility for primary care says she is taking legal advice on how to tackle below-cost selling of alcohol.
Minister Roisin Shortall was speaking at a seminar in Dublin on the impact on children of parents' drug and alcohol misuse.
Alcohol Action Ireland - one of the co-organisers of the event - said that roughly one in 11 children is living with parents who have drink problems.
AAI said more information is needed about the numbers misusing alcohol so help can be provided.
Minister Shortall said the Government will have an action plan in place before the end of 2011 to tackle alcohol misuse.
One of the areas it is looking at is the availability of cheap drink.

Research presented at the event showed children of parents with alcohol and drug addictions are more likely to experience problems with mental health and social skills.
Delegates heard these problems can continue in adult life and affect their own children.

starbelgrade

I think you're being a bit over-sensationalist there, OP. All the article says is that Shorthall is looking into the issue of below cost selling of alcohol and nothing about jacking up the prices of alcohol across the board.

Though on a positive note, I hear the Daily Mail are looking for new hacks.

Oranage2

We should tackle below-preformance of Ministers first.

starbelgrade

Oranage2 wrote: »

We should tackle below-preformance of Ministers first.

They're a bunch of pretards.

WalterMitty

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think you're being a bit over-sensationalist there, OP. All the article says is that Shorthall is looking into the issue of below cost selling of alcohol and nothing about jacking up the prices of alcohol across the board.

Though on a positive note, I hear the Daily Mail are looking for new hacks.

If you triple the price of off licence sales and pub sales prices remain static then the overall average price of drink sold rises. Of course if off licence drink was tripled demand for off licence would fall but i dont neccessarily think demand in pubs will rise. It will drive a black market in drink.

drunkmonkey

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think you're being a bit over-sensationalist there, OP. All the article says is that Shorthall is looking into the issue of below cost selling of alcohol

Forgive me but is she not on a big fat ministers salary with a big fat pension, is there not something more important she should be doing? Wast of money, sack her and we'll all go on the batter with the money we save.

CardBordWindow

If they are going to tackle low cost alcohol which is available in Off-licenses and supermarkets, they need to lower the price of pub drink.

AnonoBoy

If this thread was about Nanny Statisticians it'd be more interesting.

My nan could tell you the percentage of people in her village that went to England and caught 'the gay' right off the top of her head. Amazing!

Unique User Name

WalterMitty wrote: »

Instead of attacking those who misuse alcohol they take easy option and hit everyone.

Genuine question - How would you propose that they do this?

You can't very well have an alcoholics counter that serves said alcoholics more expensive beer.

RichieC

Raising revenue under the guise of a public health scheme. shocking!

starbelgrade

WalterMitty wrote: »

If you triple the price of off licence sales and pub sales prices remain static then the overall average price of drink sold rises. Of course if off licence drink was tripled demand for off licence would fall but i dont neccessarily think demand in pubs will rise. It will drive a black market in drink.

The issue is not to do with pub or off licence prices, but the below cost selling of alcohol by supermarkets.

I'm not sure how challenging this practice will effect people's drinking habits (probably not at all), but you should at least read the article you posted a link to before making assumptions & jumping to wild conclusions about black markets being created out of thin air.

Fago!

Op why would you stock up on drink if you're not gonna drink? That makes less sense than the guy who had his house converted into a giant toilet.

*cue family guy clip*

yupyup7up

I work hard and train 6 days a week, and I'm not having that whore with her destroyed face try to ruin my weekends. Bunch of f*cking retards running the country.

ballsymchugh

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why would you do that if you don't drink?

you missed the 5th word in that quote!

how many publicans are in this dail then?!

ejmaztec

Unique User Name wrote: »

Genuine question - How would you propose that they do this?

You can't very well have an alcoholics counter that serves said alcoholics more expensive beer.

A big "A" branded on the forehead is the way forward in this situation.

The King of Moo

yupyup7up wrote: »

I work hard and train 6 days a week, and I'm not having that whore with her destroyed face try to ruin my weekends. Bunch of f*cking retards running the country.

What does that have to do with anything?

She's looking into the possibility of dealing with the issue of below-cost selling of drink, no need to take it so personally.

starbelgrade

yupyup7up wrote: »

I work hard and train 6 days a week, and I'm not having that whore with her destroyed face try to ruin my weekends. Bunch of f*cking retards running the country.

You should talk to Joe.

No, really - you should.

My name is URL

Us plebs can't be trusted you see.. we need to be protected from ourselves.

*licks window*

Temptamperu

starbelgrade wrote: »

The issue is not to do with pub or off licence prices, but the below cost selling of alcohol by supermarkets.

I'm not sure how challenging this practice will effect people's drinking habits (probably not at all), but you should at least read the article you posted a link to before making assumptions & jumping to wild conclusions about black markets being created out of thin air.

I feel this has more to do with the vintners association than it does the poor children :rolleyes:

ejmaztec

Temptamperu wrote: »

I feel this has more to do with the vintners association than it does the poor children :rolleyes:

They seem to be quite good at cutting their own throats.

ollkiller

As usual in this country they try to introduce a blanket measure without tackling the real problem. For most people who can enjoy a drink without beating the crap out of someone or generally being a twat they will now have to pay more for their alcohol of choice.

For the people who this is supposed to help, alcoholics etc it won't make one iota of difference.

Helix

WalterMitty wrote: »

Despite having one of dearest alcohol prices in world already

you need to travel more

there are LOTS of places more expensive for booze than ireland. the difference is that those countries arent full of people who'll still go out and drink 10+ pints twice a week

the problem isnt the cost, its the fact that irish people are complete and utter idiots when it comes to drink

gerrycollins

starbelgrade wrote: »

The issue is not to do with pub or off licence prices, but the below cost selling of alcohol by supermarkets.

I'm not sure how challenging this practice will effect people's drinking habits (probably not at all), but you should at least read the article you posted a link to before making assumptions & jumping to wild conclusions about black markets being created out of thin air.

funny thing the supermarkets were very much against the ban on below cost selling when it was introduced way back.

Now that they are using it to their advantage the ban gets "ammended",

Off licence sales in supermarkets have been targetted year in year out. why? I dont know but I find it very odd indeed.....!

Firstly it was to do with underage drinking and anti social drinking so they restricted the opening hours and implemented a very strict code of practise for licence premises. Has it worked? again I dont know but if it did dont you think the government would be blowing their trumpet about its suscesses?

If they implement a unit price for booze in supermarkets then the same should apply in bars and night clubs etc mind you I would accecpt a different rate per facilitity however it would still show that there is a massive difference in price of booze between places. and if such a rate was not introduced for the bars and clubs it would further reinforce the idea that the publicians are behind this not the common good of the people.

ps the study showed us the relation between parents drinking and the resulting affect on children during their young lives and early adulthood. please give me a break you didnt need to spend a few thousand on "experts" to figure that one out.

yupyup7up

The King of Moo wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything?

She's looking into the possibility of dealing with the issue of below-cost selling of drink, no need to take it so personally.

The country is falling apart financially. This is a non-issue!

Galtee

It's funny, I would have thought that there are more incidents of parents arguing over money which will have long term psychological effects on their children and is more widespread than alchohol related incidents.

RichieC

It is a reassuringly Irish way to do things rather than some monstrous IMF thing though

drdeadlift

gave up drink 6 weeks ago,they cant tax what i get my buzz from now

Temptamperu

Raising the price is only going to leave the children with less as more will be spent on booze.
But our government cant see past their noses or the hand in their pockets.

drdeadlift

Temptamperu wrote: »

Raising the price is only going to leave the children with less as more will be spent on booze.
But our government cant see past their noses or the hand in their pockets.

I think we are on the home straight for civil unrest.Its constant cuts cuts cuts zero positivity from the government no hope whatsoever! They havent got a clue on how to give the people a bit of moral.

My name is URL

They should ban all alcohol apart from Champagne.. it won't solve any issues but at least the 'problem' drinkers will appear to have some class.

Also, free monocles for everyone on longterm social welfare.

If you can't see a problem then it doesn't exist.

Galtee

Temptamperu wrote: »

Raising the price is only going to leave the children with less as more will be spent on booze.
But our government cant see past their noses or the hand in their our pockets.

You made a mistake, I've corrected it for you.

Temptamperu

Galtee wrote: »

You made a mistake, I've corrected it for you.

I was talking about the vitners association and the publicans.

Galtee

Temptamperu wrote: »

I was talking about the vitners association and the publicans.

I know, it was meant to be a joke :rolleyes:

danniemcq

Hah and all yous boardies that mock Donegal just remember i live 15 mins from Asda and get change from a tenner with 2 pints and a pack of crisps

Temptamperu

I get jokes :pac:

amacachi

Excise is about 45c on a pint here compared to about 42c in the UK. Difference in VAT is about what, 3% now? All told it's a difference of under 10%.

Tax on a 500ml can (@5% ABV) being sold here is under 40c plus 8c in VAT so 48c total. Selling for a quid would mean roughly another 10c in VAT so still a cost of over 40c without tax. I'd be fairly sure that the suppliers are selling it to supermarkets and so on for quite a bit less than that. I'd like to see evidence of widespread below-cost selling tbh.

Benny_Cake

danniemcq wrote: »

Hah and all yous boardies that mock Donegal just remember i live 15 mins from Asda and get change from a tenner with 2 pints and a pack of crisps

Yeah,but you're in Donegal-are you sure its worth it?

danniemcq

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Yeah,but you're in Donegal-are you sure its worth it?

hahaha

just about...

Logical Fallacy

To roll out an argument that regularly pops up with regard to smokers and fatties....blah blah blah, drain on health care, blah blah blah...increase the cost.

DominoDub

We all know this is to HELP their pals in the Pub Trade :rolleyes:

Temptamperu

DominoDub wrote: »

We all know this is to HELP their pals in the Pub Trade :rolleyes:

Pals? sure dont most of them own pubs.

danniemcq

Now if pubs could sell at off licence prices that were slightly raised it'd be a win win

Chuck Stone

As long as they don't increase the price of toilet duck I'm not too worried.

reprazant

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

To roll out an argument that regularly pops up with regard to smokers and fatties....blah blah blah, drain on health care, blah blah blah...increase the cost.

Indeed.

I would hazard a guess that a lot of the same people who championed the Danish fat tax in the last fat person thread would be complaining about the abolition of below-cost selling of alcohol.

PeterIanStaker

I don't mind them putting up the price of Toilet Duck, so long as Castrol GTX stays the same.


Seriously though this is nanny state sh!te.

WalterMitty

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why would you do that if you don't drink?

Cos im Craaaaaazy.:pac:

investment

Would Roisin Shortall ever just go and do one FFS

She is a sad little girl, who lived a sheltered life behind the walls of desire not knowing how to feel love only by actions onto others

up for anything

They tax my fags to the hilt so being a begrudger I'm glad they're considering excessively taxing booze too. Too much nannyism.... I bought a packet of cigarettes from a check-out girl who doesn't remember the days of 10 cigarettes. Made me feel ancient. All getting rid of the ten pack did was make me buy twenty instead. Hasn't stopped the teens smoking... all those who do can afford it more than I can.

Snakeblood

investment wrote: »

Would Roisin Shortall ever just go and do one FFS

She is a sad little girl, who lived a sheltered life behind the walls of desire not knowing how to feel love only by actions onto others

Jaysus.