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Bond 23 - "Skyfall" *spoilers from post 595*

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    #482
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Sometimes I think I watched a completely different movie over the weekend. Twice.

    Goes to show you cant please everyone. I dont understand the non-sensical plot argument. An argument could be made for the product placement(Since when did Bond drink beer or scotch?).

    Maybe we should have everyone state before they comment whether they like Craig as bond. That seems to be where the last couple of criticisms have stemmed from.


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    #483
    RachWatch
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭RachWatch


    Saw Skyfall last night. I thought it was a good movie, and a good Bond movie, but certainly not the 'greatest' Bond movie which has been touted so much in the press over the past few weeks...


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    #484
    Giruilla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Giruilla


    Nuke the fridge moments that ruined the film for me:
    -Bond falling neck/head first into water from a 50~100m bridge after being shot and surviving
    -Javier Bardem's ENTIRE plan... nothing added up. NOTHING!
    -The scene with the train falling in at bond after bond caught Javier Bardem half way up a ladder about to escape. Inexcusable.
    -Javier Bardem throwing grenades willy nilly into the house, anyone of which could have killed M, and then warning everyone not to kill her!


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    #485
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Giruilla wrote: »
    Nuke the fridge moments that ruined the film for me:
    -Bond falling neck/head first into water from a 50~100m bridge after being shot and surviving
    -Javier Bardem's ENTIRE plan... nothing added up. NOTHING!
    -The scene with the train falling in at bond after bond caught Javier Bardem half way up a ladder about to escape. Inexcusable.
    -Javier Bardem throwing grenades willy nilly into the house, anyone of which could have killed M, and then warning everyone not to kill her!
    People have fallen from higher and survived in real life, its a movie.
    Bardem just wants to kill M, and make Bond suffer. The train bit, ok it was just put in there as a cool moment and doesnt make sense. The grenades thing, Bardem wants to kill her himself, so tells his men not to, simples.

    not one of those is a nuking the fridge moment, there's been far, FAR sillier and nonsensical stuff in other Bond movies, look at Brosnan's films they're chock full of nonsense.


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    #486
    krudler
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    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Sometimes I think I watched a completely different movie over the weekend. Twice.

    Agree, seriously WHAT do people want from this, its either too like the other Bonds or not enough like the other Bonds, even though its best of both worlds. its not flawless, far from it, there are some facepalm bad oneliners and the bit with
    the cgi lizards was awful
    but overall its a damn good movie.


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    #487
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Giruilla wrote: »
    Nuke the fridge moments that ruined the film for me:
    -Javier Bardem throwing grenades willy nilly into the house, anyone of which could have killed M, and then warning everyone not to kill her!
    Because she was his to kill. The grenades would have been him killing her. He was more using them to flush them out anyway, as they were fairly low yield grenades.

    anyone think that M is not dead but is now off living in Venice, with the bearded gamekeeper, meeting up with Wayne and Kyle for afternoon tea?
    especially with Mallory stating that not every agent gets to be "dead" and retire away, to Bond


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    #488
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Giruilla wrote: »
    Nuke the fridge moments that ruined the film for me:
    -Bond falling neck/head first into water from a 50~100m bridge after being shot and surviving
    -Javier Bardem's ENTIRE plan... nothing added up. NOTHING!
    -The scene with the train falling in at bond after bond caught Javier Bardem half way up a ladder about to escape. Inexcusable.
    -Javier Bardem throwing grenades willy nilly into the house, anyone of which could have killed M, and then warning everyone not to kill her!
    - Something like that happens in most Bond films. Hardly nuking the fridge
    - His plan was revenge against M. He got it. He revealed locations of undercover agents causing them to be killed. M was in charge of that operation. He blew up M's office in MI6 causing the death of 6 people she probably worked quite closely with. M was close to losing her job, something which obviously mattered a lot to her. His whole plan was making M's life a misery before finally killing her.
    - It was always his plan to blow up the underground and have the train crash because it provides chaos and directs police attention to the crash so he could kill M and escape due to the chaos and diversion of police forces.
    - He was warning everyone not to kill her because he wanted to be the one who killed her, so his throwing grenades in is fine because he is still the one that kills her. Besides which, he knew Bond was there so he knew they weren't likely to just be sitting by the window. The grenades were probably more so to hunt them out of the building out of where they were hiding (not knowing M was in the tunnels underground)


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    #489
    syklops
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    Giruilla wrote: »
    Nuke the fridge moments that ruined the film for me
    -Bond falling neck/head first into water from a 50~100m bridge after being shot and surviving

    Not sure what to say. Its not like it was concrete. People have survived worse.
    -Javier Bardem's ENTIRE plan... nothing added up. NOTHING!
    Whats not to add up? M sent him on a mission where he got captured and tortured. When at breaking point he tried to commit suicide and the Q-branch issued cyanide didnt work, instead injured or tortured him even more. Presumably he went a bit mad, and decided to wreak revenge on the person and by extension organisation who put him in that situation. A sentiment understood by bond upon his return having also been injured at the hands of M
    -The scene with the train falling in at bond after bond caught Javier Bardem half way up a ladder about to escape. Inexcusable.
    This has gotten a lot of criticism. I suppose it could be explained as Bardem blowing up the roof in the hope of killing bond. It being the tube, there are several layers of track everywhere and a train came through the roof. Bond survived.
    Javier Bardem throwing grenades willy nilly into the house, anyone of which could have killed M, and then warning everyone not to kill her!
    I read this to mean he wanted to kill her not one of his men, which is why he was the only one tossing the grenades.

    I wonder how readable this will be.


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    #490
    FutureGuy
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    syklops wrote: »
    Goes to show you cant please everyone. I dont understand the non-sensical plot argument. An argument could be made for the product placement(Since when did Bond drink beer or scotch?).

    Maybe we should have everyone state before they comment whether they like Craig as bond. That seems to be where the last couple of criticisms have stemmed from.

    I think they did a phenomenal job getting 30 million for the product placement for that beer. Basically Bond
    was "dead", spending his time on a remote beach, living the life he never had as an agent. Sipping on a beer was perfect in that situation. He would have looked stupid drinking a Martini. But when Bond was back in business, tracking down Silva in Macau, he ordered a Martini. Perfect.

    The only other person drinking
    Heineken did it in a situation similar to what you see in various big companies. Working hard, late hours, get a beer etc.

    Sony products have always been placed in the new Bond movies and Casino Royal was far worse in that respect.

    If anyone wants to see product placement screwing over a film, sit down and watch I Love You, Man. Embarassing.

    Finally,
    regarding the explosion to derail a train in the tube, I can't understand the furore. He had a complete map of underground London, including the bunkers being used by MI6. He knew that their systems would fail at a precise time (as highlighted by the fact the guard asked him if he was going somewhere when he zipped up his overalls) thanks to his computer skills. He was clearly attempting to get police presence to that area so he could escape dressed as a police officer at the very same time, while also having a clean run at killing M. Having planted the bomb, he would have known the times at which the trains were passing that section.


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    #491
    syklops
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Because she was his to kill. The grenades would have been him killing her. He was more using them to flush them out anyway, as they were fairly low yield grenades.

    anyone think that M is not dead but is now off living in Venice, with the bearded gamekeeper, meeting up with Wayne and Kyle for afternoon tea?
    especially with Mallory stating that not every agent gets to be "dead" and retire away, to Bond

    I was actually expecting her to be in the office at the end, and that her position as M had become much more secret than before. I wouldn't rule that out either, if Craig reprises his role. I wondered if the blowing up of the MI6 building meant they could do some improvements in the south east wing... ;)


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    #492
    Doctor DooM
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    I really liked the film, bit too much Batman influence as others have said
    Parents died young, raised in an old estate by an old servant etc
    but I have to say this much.
    If a film writer doesn't know much about IT, and wants to show a character who's supposed to be the best person in security in the world getting worked around, ask a sodding IT person. Any IT person. This isn't the 90's and the film isn't Hackers. I actually groaned when Q just plugged the mega hacker bad guys computer into his network via ethernet.

    Come on now guys, in the real world people know enough about this stuff now for that to be poor suspension of disbelief wise.


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    #493
    syklops
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    FutureGuy wrote: »
    If anyone wants to see product placement screwing over a film, sit down and watch I Love You, Man. Embarassing.

    I'll pass thanks. I'd rather watch skyfall again.

    I also would agree with your comment in the MI6 'new' building re the beer.
    Tanner has had a hard day, probably lost a few colleagues, M is in trouble but there is nothing he can do. Wild horses wouldnt get him away from the monitors but I think the man deserves a beer.

    Question:
    There was a bit when Q was talking to Bond over radio and Q said something like "There goes my career as a code breaker", and he is holding a mug with something on it, I think it was 2 columns of numbers or symbols. Does anyone know what that was? I figured it was an injoke but I couldnt identify it.


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    #494
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    syklops wrote: »
    Question:
    There was a bit when Q was talking to Bond over radio and Q said something like "There goes my career as a code breaker", and he is holding a mug with something on it, I think it was 2 columns of numbers or symbols. Does anyone know what that was? I figured it was an injoke but I couldnt identify it.
    When he took a drink, you could see the Scrabble logo on the bottom, so the numbers and letters on the mug were probably each letter and their Scrabble value. Just probably to show off his quirkiness or how he's good with code-breaking and so is good at Scrabble or something.


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    #495
    Corholio
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    My gripes with the film have nothing to do with non-sensical plot really. Just didn't think it was a really great Bond film. The film was beautifully shot definitely, but eye candy only goes so far especially when the dialogue isn't great and the set pieces aren't all that exciting, both of which I found watching this.

    They gave Naomie Harris some really boring lines and her character has minimal impact on the film at all because of it. Was disappointed with the start and the end. But by no means a bad film, but not a great Bond film.


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    #496
    syklops
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    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    I really liked the film, bit too much Batman influence as others have said
    Parents died young, raised in an old estate by an old servant etc
    but I have to say this much.
    If a film writer doesn't know much about IT, and wants to show a character who's supposed to be the best person in security in the world getting worked around, ask a sodding IT person. Any IT person. This isn't the 90's and the film isn't Hackers. I actually groaned when Q just plugged the mega hacker bad guys computer into his network via ethernet.

    Come on now guys, in the real world people know enough about this stuff now for that to be poor suspension of disbelief wise.

    The parents dying young has been a part of Bond culture for decades. It's part of the back story and certainly wasn't influenced by Batman.

    What exactly was your IT problem? Not sure I understand.


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    syklops
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    Penn wrote: »
    When he took a drink, you could see the Scrabble logo on the bottom, so the numbers and letters on the mug were probably each letter and their Scrabble value. Just probably to show off his quirkiness or how he's good with code-breaking and so is good at Scrabble or something.

    I knew it was something like that. Thanks for clearing it up!


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    #498
    syklops
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    Corholio wrote: »
    My gripes with the film have nothing to do with non-sensical plot really. Just didn't think it was a really great Bond film. The film was beautifully shot definitely, but eye candy only goes so far especially when the dialogue isn't great and the set pieces aren't all that exciting, both of which I found watching this.

    They gave Naomie Harris some really boring lines and her character has minimal impact on the film at all because of it. Was disappointed with the start and the end. But by no means a bad film, but not a great Bond film.

    What would you consider a great Bond film to be?


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    #499
    krudler
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    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    I really liked the film, bit too much Batman influence as others have said
    Parents died young, raised in an old estate by an old servant etc
    but I have to say this much.

    Bond being an orphan was already established in Casino Royale though.


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    #500
    Corholio
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    syklops wrote: »
    What would you consider a great Bond film to be?

    From Russia With Love and I'd consider On Her Majesty's Secret Service great, despite the problem people have with Lazenby, it's still a really good film. Goldeneye is great as a Bond film, although I know why people don't like it as a standalone film.


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    #501
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    syklops wrote: »
    What exactly was your IT problem? Not sure I understand.
    Given that Silva was meant to be an IT evil genius, why did Q not have a non networked testing system to plug into and not the MI6 network?


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    #502
    Grimebox
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Given that Silva was meant to be an IT evil genius, why did Q not have a non networked testing system to plug into and not the MI6 network?

    I was thinking the same thing but you have to let these little things go. Suspend your disbelief as they say


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    Corholio
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Given that he was meant to be an IT evil genius, why did Q not have a non networked testing system to plug into and not the MI6 network?

    I'm not in anyway IT orientated either, but I remember thinking considering Bardem's previous infiltration in MI6, why use it in anyway connected to MI6's system.


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    #504
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Grimebox wrote: »
    I was thinking the same thing but you have to let these little things go. Suspend your disbelief as they say

    Exactly, it was just one of those things to keep the plot moving along. They could have gone on about how it had a "hidden" wireless signal that was able to interface with the internal wireless network or some other crazy plot device but it would just have eaten up time.


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    #505
    LordSutch
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    I saw Skyfall the other night: Great Film I thought, great stunts, good soundtrack, classic cars, and I think Craig makes a good bond too, but I also noticed a subtle change in Bond's nationality, apparently hs's not British anymore but 'English' there is also talk of England, & the English Empire :cool:

    I wonder why the subtle change after 50 years?


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    #506
    syklops
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Given that Silva was meant to be an IT evil genius, why did Q not have a non networked testing system to plug into and not the MI6 network?
    Because Bardams files were encrypted and Q needed the might of the MI6 network's distributed processing to decrypt the files?

    Another theory is that Q loaded the files onto a virtual machine with the networking disabled in software, but Bardam exploited a vulnerability in the virtual machine driver to take over the host machine.

    Neither are beyond the realm of possibility.


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    #507
    syklops
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    I saw Skyfall the other night: Great Film I thought, great stunts, good soundtrack, classic cars, and I think Craig makes a good bond too, but I also noticed a subtle change in Bond's nationality, apparently hs's not British anymore but 'English' there is also talk of England, & the English Empire :cool:

    I wonder why the subtle change after 50 years?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jKKzcRbSho


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    #508
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    syklops wrote: »
    Because Bardams files were encrypted and Q needed the might of the MI6 network's distributed processing to decrypt the files?

    Another theory is that Q loaded the files onto a virtual machine with the networking disabled in software, but Bardam exploited a vulnerability in the virtual machine driver to take over the host machine.

    Neither are beyond the realm of possibility.

    All we see is him connecting an ethernet cable. Are you telling me that there would not be seperate networks for the door security as there would be for the Q branch and their crazy high-jinks? For me it is not a deal breaker, they needed to get Silva out and they did it but I would not have minded Bond saying "Should we be connecting this to our system?" and Q being over-confidant and dismissive saying "we have protocols for this". No explinations necessary after that.


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    LordSutch
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    But for bond himself to announce England & English as opposed to British? surely that's a new departure?
    I only noticed it because it was a subject of discussion on the TV the other night when some film critics commented on it!

    Great Bond film I thought, and I'd give it 9/10.


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    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Prepping for a Scottish break away?


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    LordSutch
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    That did cross my mind.


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