Irish (Leaving Cert 2012)

liverpool lad

Just wondering what people think about the new Irish Paper, Layout etc? Whilst at first look it appears a lot more "student friendly" with a lot of the material cut down from the old course, there is basically no choice on the paper, particularly Paper 2. The Sample paper was interesting in seeing how the questions would be layed out.

Just wondering what the people in Leaving cert feel about the course, OR anybody who is repeating this year and is trying to fit in with the new stories and poems if you are not doing the Prós Ainmnithe/Filíocht Ainmnithe course.

The Oral requires a lot more now, particularly student engagment with the examiner, and the picture sequence addition.

siobhanod93

20 Picture Sequences are wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much!!

liverpool lad

I do definetly agree with that, 20 is a lot and then they get changed every year is a bit stupid too, especially for eople who buy the books for the Oral with each described. Will only be usable for one year. But in terms of revising and just before going in, i can imagine it being stressful flicking through the 20 of them, paniking that you will mix one up.

Luno

I don't like it personally. I don't see why the comprehensions are now on Paper 2? There is going to be a lot of free time in Paper One seeing as they're cutting down on the amount of listens in the listening etc. Aswell, I think it's ridiculous that the sample papers haven't been released yet!

siobhanod93

It is just letting down the whole system, and we're the ones going to suffer :eek:

Luno

It's the first year, they'll go easy on us! They have to!

siobhanod93

If not, we're just going to have a big rant on this! :rolleyes::p

Chuchoter

20 pictures is far too many, no other language has near that many.

I still haven't seen the new papers, the department seems very disorganized.

liverpool lad

M&S* wrote: »

I don't like it personally. I don't see why the comprehensions are now on Paper 2? There is going to be a lot of free time in Paper One seeing as they're cutting down on the amount of listens in the listening etc. Aswell, I think it's ridiculous that the sample papers haven't been released yet!

I have seen the Sample Papers so they must be out. They were sent to schools last week so they should be available on the SEC website.

Edit: just checked, They are available on the SEC website, for each level, and also a sample sound file for the cluastuiscint also.

BL1993

liverpool lad wrote: »

I have seen the Sample Papers so they must be out. They were sent to schools last week so they should be available on the SEC website.

Edit: just checked, They are available on the SEC website, for each level, and also a sample sound file for the cluastuiscint also.

Link?

Random_Person

http://examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=ex&sc=ga

After looking at the sample papers, I'm so happy.. :pac:

eVeNtInE

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ellen94_

I would love the new course if my teacher wasn't a blundering idiot... :P was aiming for a HA1, now HB2 thanks to the lazy bitch....

Heheusofuni

The change of course is alright !however I have such a bad teacher that we have done two essay since fifth year, two comprehensions ,bearly any tape ! We spend most of our time sorry I mean he spends most of our Irish class translating the book word for WORD ! And for any irish teacher reading this , NO student learns from a teacher just translating ! Ya the new course is okay but personally I think if there is a change in course there should also be a strong influence on re-educating Irish teachers -apologies for the rant -LC student !

gaeilgebeo

Heheusofuni wrote: »

The change of course is alright !however I have such a bad teacher that we have done two essay since fifth year, two comprehensions ,bearly any tape ! We spend most of our time sorry I mean he spends most of our Irish class translating the book word for WORD ! And for any irish teacher reading this , NO student learns from a teacher just translating ! Ya the new course is okay but personally I think if there is a change in course there should also be a strong influence on re-educating Irish teachers -apologies for the rant -LC student !

Don't tar all Irish teachers with the one brush! Re-educating? .
Not all teachers are the same and that goes for any subject.

Sunny!!

The new course is a step in the right direction. The old course still gives me nightmares:eek: i'm so jealous of the people doing it this year. I still think it needs to be like french and german but at least theres improvement, i think alot more will be doing hl irish now:)

Coeurdepirate

Heheusofuni wrote: »

The change of course is alright !however I have such a bad teacher that we have done two essay since fifth year, two comprehensions ,bearly any tape ! We spend most of our time sorry I mean he spends most of our Irish class translating the book word for WORD ! And for any irish teacher reading this , NO student learns from a teacher just translating ! Ya the new course is okay but personally I think if there is a change in course there should also be a strong influence on re-educating Irish teachers -apologies for the rant -LC student !

Agree 100%!

Sunny!! wrote: »

The new course is a step in the right direction. The old course still gives me nightmares:eek: i'm so jealous of the people doing it this year. I still think it needs to be like french and german but at least theres improvement, i think alot more will be doing hl irish now:)

Even the new course gives me nightmares, god help those who did the old course!

Sunny!!

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

Agree 100%!

Even the new course gives me nightmares, god help those who did the old course!

the time it used to take up, and the 10 poems i think it was? and the stair na gaeilge:(, turned me off the subject i once loved

Coeurdepirate

Sunny!! wrote: »

the time it used to take up, and the 10 poems i think it was? and the stair na gaeilge:(, turned me off the subject i once loved

God, the 5 poems that we have to do now kills me </3

Sunny!!

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

God, the 5 poems that we have to do now kills me </3

I couldnt handle the stair at all it wrecked my head, and that stupid fecking novel!

Coeurdepirate

Sunny!! wrote: »

I couldnt handle the stair at all it wrecked my head, and that stupid fecking novel!

What was so bad about the stair? We have to do a novel this year too

Sunny!!

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

What was so bad about the stair? We have to do a novel this year too

pure rote learning, hadnt a clue what it was, writing 5 points on each of the poets, etc horrific for only 30 marks

Heheusofuni

:mad:

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Don't tar all Irish teachers with the one brush! Re-educating? .
Not all teachers are the same and that goes for any subject.

Okay I know I shouldn't be so harsh but it's just so annoying having Irish everyday and not learning anything -I just needed the rant !

Coeurdepirate

Sunny!! wrote: »

pure rote learning, hadnt a clue what it was, writing 5 points on each of the poets, etc horrific for only 30 marks

Sounds horrendous

Heheusofuni wrote: »

:mad:

Okay I know I shouldn't be so harsh but it's just so annoying having Irish everyday and not learning anything -I just needed the rant !

I agree with you, I don't learn anything in Irish

haro123

I dont know what yous are on about . Its the easiest Higher level subject !

Coeurdepirate

haro123 wrote: »

I dont know what yous are on about . Its the easiest Higher level subject !

Ahh would ya feck off!

Canard

I sorta disagree with the not learning from translating, what else are they to do? We did An Triail and just translated it really, she gives us some phrases too of course, and we translate the book for poems/prose, then for an triail q's and essays she gives us tons of notes, helps us translate them and we make our own essays. It works fine

gfgfgf14

Our teacher translates prose/poems/novel which has to be done gives comprehensive consise notes on em and she lets us formulate our own opinions on em

haro123

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

Ahh would ya feck off!

It helps when ya have an amazin teacher:D

Kieran Lad

We do a great thing in Irish, the very second you enter the room its Irish. Everything you speak is Irish (apart from translations). My oral is poor as I struggle with pronunciation, but it really has improved. The oral is worth 40% and I think its great. 20 pictures is alot, but once you know your verbs, vocabulary and you have a good imagination your away.

Defygravity

Apparently they expect the picture stories to be a really high standard.. I couldn't believe it when I seen the lack of choice on Paper 2. Gonna be a pretty nasty one..

Sunny!!

how are people approaching the gramadach? seems to be a big emphasis of it in comprehensions

biomedgirl

Has anyone been given any tips for how to allocate the time for Irish Paper 2 (honours) ????

Beckyy

No one else worried about the masterpieces they must be expecting for the essay in P1 now that you have so long to do it?! :O AHHH

CaoimheCweeva

Can someone PLEEEASE explain to me, with great detail, the paper layout? I have the sample papers, obviously, but my class was told my our teacher that you got no choice in the poem but appaz you do? HEEELP!

Canard

Nope, no choice in the poem or prose sadly.

mcpaddington

Patchy~ wrote: »

Nope, no choice in the poem or prose sadly.

You kind of do, there is no choice on the theme you have to write about but you can pick from any poem on the course.

Canard

No you cant? It prints the poem you have to talk about and gives you a specific question like "the funny side of mo ghrása idir luibini" or 'dís gives us an insight into married life'. you might be thinking of the optional poetry but even still its not much of a choice imo.

Luno

mcpaddington wrote: »

You kind of do, there is no choice on the theme you have to write about but you can pick from any poem on the course.

You're thinking of the cursa roghnach which most people don't do, you still have to answer the first part too as far as I'm aware. Most people choose to do An Triail instead of 10 poems.

Canard

Nah my sister does the extra poems and it still prints one for you to write about, I'm not sure what that person is thinking of at all.

13spanner

On the topic of picture stories, what were they thinking? We've 5 for German, that's enough. Are ye all learning off stuff or trying to string a few lines together on the day? Our grinds teacher said that examiners will expect that section of the oral to last 8 minutes :eek: better have something to say!

Surely they'll have to mark it easier seeing as it's the first year... aiming at a C1 or higher...

Canard

I've been writing out a page and a half for each picture sequence. It's almost better to stop and think a bit I think, takes up the time :P I'd be terrified to try to improvise it on the day.

Bubbleope

Beckyy wrote: »

No one else worried about the masterpieces they must be expecting for the essay in P1 now that you have so long to do it?! :O AHHH

I had paper 1 of the mock today. 2 hours for an essay!? I didn't even realise it until the fecking exam. People were handing their essays up after an hour and I was sitting there like eh.. no way am i handing it up until these 2 hours are up. xD So I kept writing more and more. Just waffling.. :pac:
It's such a stupid paper though.. only the essay and the listening. S: There should be the two comprehensions on it too.. would make more sense!! O: Stupid eejits that set up the new layouts whoever they were. :P Am not looking forward to paper 2.. not at all!

Canard

Agreed! so much time for the essay, "to get it right". Ehhh I'm not gonna make a mistake then have a brainwave of how to correct myself by sitting there for half an hour :pac:

13spanner

Patchy~ wrote: »

I've been writing out a page and a half for each picture sequence. It's almost better to stop and think a bit I think, takes up the time :P I'd be terrified to try to improvise it on the day.

Same here regards the page and a half, and are you learning those off? I'm trying but there's alot in it . I think they put so many different stories in to put people off learning them before hand.

Coeurdepirate

I'm delighted with two hours for the essay to be honest, that means that if one comes up that I haven't studied or haven't studied properly I have loads of time to brainstorm and formulate an (albeit ****e) answer!

Canard

What's everyone studying for the essays by the way? We've done poverty, the president, the state of the irish language and we'll be doing the olympics.

Would it be worthwhile doing one essay on young people, road safety and anti-social behaviour? It all sort of links in like...I'm sure that one essay would fit all three. "Anti social behaviour is mainly young people, theyre not safe on roads" / "Road safety is non-existant due to young people's antisocial behaviour" / "Young people are anti-social and bad on the roads" idk :P I'm just worried my 4 wont cover me, 100 marks is a lot to lose!

AnnaKin

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

I'm delighted with two hours for the essay to be honest, that means that if one comes up that I haven't studied or haven't studied properly I have loads of time to brainstorm and formulate an (albeit ****e) answer!

Your logic has taken a huge weight off my shoulders :pac:

stealing your idea ^^;

Beckyy

Bubbleope wrote: »

I had paper 1 of the mock today. 2 hours for an essay!? I didn't even realise it until the fecking exam. People were handing their essays up after an hour and I was sitting there like eh.. no way am i handing it up until these 2 hours are up. xD So I kept writing more and more. Just waffling.. :pac:
It's such a stupid paper though.. only the essay and the listening. S: There should be the two comprehensions on it too.. would make more sense!! O: Stupid eejits that set up the new layouts whoever they were. :P Am not looking forward to paper 2.. not at all!

God your mocks are early. Still got two weeks 'till mine.. Bet they took the comprehensions out 'cus people were stealing stuff from them and using it in their essays

good luck anyways..:eek:

Beckyy

Patchy~ wrote: »

What's everyone studying for the essays by the way? We've done poverty, the president, the state of the irish language and we'll be doing the olympics.

Would it be worthwhile doing one essay on young people, road safety and anti-social behaviour? It all sort of links in like...I'm sure that one essay would fit all three. "Anti social behaviour is mainly young people, theyre not safe on roads" / "Road safety is non-existant due to young people's antisocial behaviour" / "Young people are anti-social and bad on the roads" idk :P I'm just worried my 4 wont cover me, 100 marks is a lot to lose!

Can you tell me what you wrote about for the President one? We haven't done that essay in school, and I'd say it was a possibility, I just haven't a clue what to write! :pac:

xclw

the new course is lovely, i'm a repeat and it was way harder last year.
last year for paper 2 ya had to do 5 pros, 11 poems, an triail and stair na gaeilge.
and we didn't have a choice either for the pros because you had to write about 2 - one which was a choice and one compulsory, the poems you had 5 pass and to write about 2 again one compulsory and one choice, and a choice of 2 out of the other 6.
trust me the paper is way nicer this year.

the only thing i think is they should have left the comprehensions on paper 1 and kept the aural the same length, it's too short.

and to be honest 20 sraithpictiuri isn't bad i mean for starters you are not meant to be learning off what you arer saying about them, the irish oral is about your fluency of irish and thinking in it off the top of your head, and think of the amount of marks that are going for it!