Irish first policy for jobs

air assault

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

Ickle Magoo

What about people from other countries who live in Ireland Vs Irish people who have just moved back? Or people from other countries who have been living/paying taxes here for years? Who gets preference there?

Think it's a fairly unworkable policy tbh...and one that would cause outrage here if implemented anywhere else that adversely affected irish people.

Iwannahurl

Two steps need to be completed first, IMO.

1. Ireland must leave the EU (which may mean repaying a lot of money).

2. All Irish emigrants must be repatriated (which would mean longer job applicant and dole queues).

Temptamperu

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!

Mr Benevolent

Experience and capability first is a much better approach.

Genghiz Cohen

DEY DURK ER DURRRRRR!!!

EDIT:

Temptamperu wrote: »

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!

BASTARD!

sensibleken

No id rather work with the most competant people. If you implement such a policy most multinationals will up sticks and leave as they cant hire the best people

seamus

air assault wrote: »

Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

How is this any different from how it operates at the moment?

People apply for jobs, the best candidate gets the job. Or are you trying to say that if Irish people apply for a job, then the employer has to give it to one of them, no matter how crap they are? If the best Irish candidate is crap, then he's not suitable for the job, so he gives it to someone else.

Should the employer not be allowed to pick the best candidate that's allowed to work here, regardless of nationality?

Forcing employers to accept poor quality employees isn't exactly going to be good for the economy.

hooradiation

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

So, your solution to the current unemployment levels is to limit the pool of people from which employers can reasonably hire?

Bravo, sir. Bra-fucking-vo.

Sergeant

I'd never visit a house of ill repute again.

The King of Moo

I'd prefer to know a competent person was doing the job.

If it was a choice between an Irish person and an immigrant who's been here for a while, integrated a bit and is slightly, I'd go for the non-national.

I'm also sure there are many sectors where employers would love to employ Irish workers but they're not out there in those sectors and they have to look abroad.

Kintarō Hattori

I'd rather the best person for the job.

goose2005

Would violate a dozen laws, make next to no difference to unemployment.

Manach

This is a poor initial idea. Not only might it remove skilled workers from the country, it would jeopardise Irish employment opportunites abroad.

biko

I can work with anyone, as long as they have a Galway accent.

Sergeant

biko wrote: »

I can work with anyone, as long as they have a Galway accent.

Warty Nora?

biko

Sitting next to me in the office right now.

Paddy Cow

biko wrote: »

Sitting next to me in the office right now.

I had to help her put on her coat one day. I was leaving the post office and she was ahead of me. She grabbed my arm and shoved her jacket into it and made me hold it open so she could get her arms in. She stinks and I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I feel dirty just thinking about it

She used to come into the branch of Supermacs I worked in and we were forever chasing her out. She would sit down next to customers and start taking food off their plates at breakfast. Horrible woman *vomits*

Standard Toaster

They have this policy in Austraila and New Zealand already don't they?

Mena

Standard Toaster wrote: »

They have this policy in Austraila and New Zealand already don't they?

Probably, but then they're not part of the EU.

This policy is already in effect in Ireland for any non-EU people unless they have permanent residency already.

MidlandsM

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Two steps need to be completed first, IMO.

1. Ireland must leave the EU (which may mean repaying a lot of money).

2. All Irish emigrants must be repatriated (which would mean longer job applicant and dole queues).

what are you on about? We would have to repay fcuk all.:D;)

mr.wiggle

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

Anyone else amazed that the AH community has not trolled the crap outta this ? Must have some merits then !

One flaw in this idea, is that employers in this environment are just looking for the cheapest labour they can find. Never mind about the qualifications. Sure , it might help to have previous experience and qualifications, but its all about the money, money..money !!!

Outkast_IRE

Well i hear policies such as this are doing wonders in south africa
:rolleyes:

mikemac

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Two steps need to be completed first, IMO.


2. All Irish emigrants must be repatriated (which would mean longer job applicant and dole queues).

People always bring this up

Irish people are working abroad therefore we cannot set new immigration policies here it seems. Every Irish emigrant must be back here before we can even look at it, such nonsense

Yes there are undocumented Irish in the USA. Let the USA sort their own issues out
How about other countries look after their policies and we will do the same here?

Oranage2

I love the line they took our jobs but how many of those people actually applied?


Also its no secret at this stage but a person with a kid it twice better off on welfare than working for minimum wage!

Also the not so nationalistic secret is that Irish people are un reliable and lazy - I can see why somebody would hire somebody with basic english over Paddy Murphy who will most likely call in sick at least once a month and be late all the time!

Kev_ps3

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

Sounds sensible to me, dont listen to the crazy broads liberals.

Pherekydes

Brilliant idea!

We can repatriate all those foreign doctors and replace them with locals off the dole queues.

mikemac

Oranage2 wrote: »

Also the not so nationalistic secret is that Irish people are un reliable and lazy -

If you go abroad with no welfare and no backup you may value the job more then the local

Simple as that

Irish workers are no better or worse then any other nation. Every country has trojan workers and slackers

4leto

So this is what happens, when the going gets tough, we get xenophobic. What an ugly and very illegal policy to adopt.

The OP should read a bit of history as to were all this can lead.

mr.wiggle

4leto wrote: »

So this is what happens, when the going gets tough, we get xenophobic. What an ugly and very illegal policy to adopt.

The OP should read a bit of history as to were all this can lead.

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

air assault

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

What about people from other countries who live in Ireland Vs Irish people who have just moved back? Or people from other countries who have been living/paying taxes here for years? Who gets preference there?

Think it's a fairly unworkable policy tbh...and one that would cause outrage here if implemented anywhere else that adversely affected irish people.

people returning to ireland that are irish will have priority over others applying for the job. then if the employer cannot fins suitable irish people for the job other nationalities will get it

discodiva92

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

Mena

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

They're Irish citizens? They have permanent residency on stamp 4 and are free to work/start their own business without permits or restrictions, they have some sort of leave to remain or they're illegal. Combination of all of the above I would say.

seamus

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

I have to say I haven't spoken to non-EU taxi driver in the last 3 years who was fresh off the boat.

They have all been here for a number of years, have a home, a family and pay taxes here. Regardless of whether or not they have citizenship, it would be wrong, completely wrong, to revoke their work permit just because the economic situation has gone bad. They've invested just as much time and tax into the economy as any Irish person, so why should they have to leave while they're still working?

hooradiation

mr.wiggle wrote: »

I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Well, it's more that the idea is unworkable and pointless.
But "too PC" is a good fall back if you'd like to respond to the idea with the same kind of dog whistle nonsense that it's borne of.

yermanoffthetv

Forget country first, how bout county first. Feckin Mayo wetbacks comin in over the border stinkin of stew and wont even bother to learn how to speak Galwegian :mad:

bbam

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

stovelid

Of course you would also be happy with other countries doing that to Irish emigrants....

Dyr

this idea violates everything that the EU holds dear, therefore it would never work.

Employees are all the same, just focus on being a good little worker, don't let notions about nationality or community deter you from that because you are alone, little worker unit. All the other units are just the same as you even if they aren't, don't form groups with other little units, you're all the same, even the units that aren't.

We're all the same, even though we're not. We're all in the same boat even though we're not. Onwards European worker units as one, towards a brighter cliff

Dyr

bbam wrote: »

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

You are of course making the assumption that a country has an obligation to confer no benefits to its own citizens that it would deny to anyone else, because that would be wacist. Which is, of course, nonsense. Although the idea that a country should consider the welfare of its own citizens above others is a wild and dangerous notion nowadays..:eek:

Son Of A Vidic

Confab wrote: »

Experience and capability first is a much better approach.

Ideally yes, but are non-Irish prospects more likely to work for less?

Freddie59

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

I'd actually advise against the OP, but would, instead, propose restructuring of our SW "system" (the Brits are trying to do this at the moment) in order to minimise Welfare tourism. You're from Country A - you get paid the SW rate being paid in country A in Country B (e.g. Ireland). Simples.

Paddy Cow

OP if we are going to put the Irish first, we should do it properly and just segregate all the foreigners. We can build special areas in cities where they can live, have different schools, buses, medical centers etc. This way they will know their place and not be interfering with the upstanding, home grown nationals. We won't allow them representation in the Dail though, as the cheeky feckers will probably just breed like rabbits and take over through democratic voting

Blazer

hooradiation wrote: »

S
Bravo, sir. Bra-fucking-vo.

Nicholas Cage in Face Off?

goose2005

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

Taxi driving is a low-skilled job, yo don't deserve 50k a year, stop trying to bring back the cartel.

goose2005

bbam wrote: »

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

It's not racist, it's discrimination based on citizenship, which is different. But not necessarily right.

Snakeblood

Paddy Cow wrote: »

OP if we are going to put the Irish first, we should do it properly and just segregate all the foreigners. We can build special areas in cities where they can live, have different schools, buses, medical centers etc. This way they will know their place and not be interfering with the upstanding, home grown nationals. We won't allow them representation in the Dail though, as the cheeky feckers will probably just breed like rabbits and take over through democratic voting

We could organise a system to help them live separately. I call it Apart-Aid.

hooradiation

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Nicholas Cage in Face Off?

Aye.

Podge_irl

Bambi wrote: »

this idea violates everything that the EU holds dear, therefore it would never work.

Somewhat more relevantly it violates EU law.

Paddy Cow

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

Yes some of us are. I remember working in Supermacs back in the late ninties/early noughties and the reaction of other some other Irish people was unreal. The amount of times I was looked down on for having a scummy job was atrocious. Generally we had more foreigners applying for work than Irish, as that type of work was considered beneath some Irish people and plenty told me they would rather be on the dole than work in fast food.

Fast forward ten years and the tide has turned. The same people who turned their nose up at those jobs are now shocked and horrified to find out that when they apply out of desperation, the job often goes to a foreigner. It's not that suddenly foreigners are taking all the low level jobs, just that they have been doing them all along and have a reputation for having a strong work ethic.

I'm not saying that all Irish people are lazy or won't take low level jobs but it did take the recession to give a lot of people the kick up the arse needed to realise that a job is a job and it's better to be working even a "crappy" job than stuck on the dole with long months of boredom and very little money to look forward to. People can no longer afford to be picky about the work they do.

iamstop

Narry a face nor a palm big enough could be found suitable for the OP.