Irish first policy for jobs

discodiva92 · 04-10-2011 11:42AM

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

Mena · 04-10-2011 11:48AM

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

They're Irish citizens? They have permanent residency on stamp 4 and are free to work/start their own business without permits or restrictions, they have some sort of leave to remain or they're illegal. Combination of all of the above I would say.

seamus · 04-10-2011 11:52AM

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

I have to say I haven't spoken to non-EU taxi driver in the last 3 years who was fresh off the boat.

They have all been here for a number of years, have a home, a family and pay taxes here. Regardless of whether or not they have citizenship, it would be wrong, completely wrong, to revoke their work permit just because the economic situation has gone bad. They've invested just as much time and tax into the economy as any Irish person, so why should they have to leave while they're still working?

hooradiation · 04-10-2011 12:39PM

mr.wiggle wrote: »

I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Well, it's more that the idea is unworkable and pointless.
But "too PC" is a good fall back if you'd like to respond to the idea with the same kind of dog whistle nonsense that it's borne of.

yermanoffthetv · 04-10-2011 12:52PM

Forget country first, how bout county first. Feckin Mayo wetbacks comin in over the border stinkin of stew and wont even bother to learn how to speak Galwegian :mad:

bbam · 04-10-2011 12:55PM

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

stovelid · 04-10-2011 12:57PM

Of course you would also be happy with other countries doing that to Irish emigrants....

Dyr · 04-10-2011 01:03PM

this idea violates everything that the EU holds dear, therefore it would never work.

Employees are all the same, just focus on being a good little worker, don't let notions about nationality or community deter you from that because you are alone, little worker unit. All the other units are just the same as you even if they aren't, don't form groups with other little units, you're all the same, even the units that aren't.

We're all the same, even though we're not. We're all in the same boat even though we're not. Onwards European worker units as one, towards a brighter cliff

Dyr · 04-10-2011 01:08PM

bbam wrote: »

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

You are of course making the assumption that a country has an obligation to confer no benefits to its own citizens that it would deny to anyone else, because that would be wacist. Which is, of course, nonsense. Although the idea that a country should consider the welfare of its own citizens above others is a wild and dangerous notion nowadays..:eek:

Son Of A Vidic · 04-10-2011 01:10PM

Confab wrote: »

Experience and capability first is a much better approach.

Ideally yes, but are non-Irish prospects more likely to work for less?

Freddie59 · 04-10-2011 02:00PM

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

I'd actually advise against the OP, but would, instead, propose restructuring of our SW "system" (the Brits are trying to do this at the moment) in order to minimise Welfare tourism. You're from Country A - you get paid the SW rate being paid in country A in Country B (e.g. Ireland). Simples.

Paddy Cow · 04-10-2011 03:12PM

OP if we are going to put the Irish first, we should do it properly and just segregate all the foreigners. We can build special areas in cities where they can live, have different schools, buses, medical centers etc. This way they will know their place and not be interfering with the upstanding, home grown nationals. We won't allow them representation in the Dail though, as the cheeky feckers will probably just breed like rabbits and take over through democratic voting

Blazer · 04-10-2011 03:16PM

hooradiation wrote: »

S
Bravo, sir. Bra-fucking-vo.

Nicholas Cage in Face Off?

goose2005 · 04-10-2011 03:21PM

discodiva92 wrote: »

Is taxi driving a skill shortage in Ireland?Cause theres is alot of Non-Eu nationals in the taxi trade
How are Non Eu nationals getting work permits for taxi driving?

Taxi driving is a low-skilled job, yo don't deserve 50k a year, stop trying to bring back the cartel.

goose2005 · 04-10-2011 03:22PM

bbam wrote: »

But it is Racist..
You would be downgrading a persons status based on their race, i.e. they wouldn't get a fair crack at getting a job because they're not Irish.
At least if you're going to support it in public, call it for what it is... Racism

I've no problem with people calling for reviews of immigration regulation or points systems as seen in other states... But pure simple Racism is just a shocking thing...

If we allow people from other countries to come here and set up home, they do so legally then they should be allowed to apply for jobs on an equal status. I think that our more multicultural society has improved Ireland as a place to live.

It's not racist, it's discrimination based on citizenship, which is different. But not necessarily right.

Snakeblood · 04-10-2011 03:23PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

OP if we are going to put the Irish first, we should do it properly and just segregate all the foreigners. We can build special areas in cities where they can live, have different schools, buses, medical centers etc. This way they will know their place and not be interfering with the upstanding, home grown nationals. We won't allow them representation in the Dail though, as the cheeky feckers will probably just breed like rabbits and take over through democratic voting

We could organise a system to help them live separately. I call it Apart-Aid.

hooradiation · 04-10-2011 03:23PM

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Nicholas Cage in Face Off?

Aye.

Podge_irl · 04-10-2011 03:24PM

Bambi wrote: »

this idea violates everything that the EU holds dear, therefore it would never work.

Somewhat more relevantly it violates EU law.

Paddy Cow · 04-10-2011 03:25PM

mr.wiggle wrote: »

In fairness to the OP 4leto, i don't think his post reads as xenophobic, its just a question asked really. I know its a scary topic to post about, as you can be quickly labelled a racist, but it is an interesting one.
I think the point about 'lazy paddies' is a typical reply, it just goes to show what we think of ourselves really. But are we just lazy, or is the social welfare situation so out of control that we can afford to not take available jobs? But thats another thread really!
I'll stick my neck out and say that I agree with the OP, but it's never going to happen as our politicians are too PC and afraid of the racist label.

Mr.W

Yes some of us are. I remember working in Supermacs back in the late ninties/early noughties and the reaction of other some other Irish people was unreal. The amount of times I was looked down on for having a scummy job was atrocious. Generally we had more foreigners applying for work than Irish, as that type of work was considered beneath some Irish people and plenty told me they would rather be on the dole than work in fast food.

Fast forward ten years and the tide has turned. The same people who turned their nose up at those jobs are now shocked and horrified to find out that when they apply out of desperation, the job often goes to a foreigner. It's not that suddenly foreigners are taking all the low level jobs, just that they have been doing them all along and have a reputation for having a strong work ethic.

I'm not saying that all Irish people are lazy or won't take low level jobs but it did take the recession to give a lot of people the kick up the arse needed to realise that a job is a job and it's better to be working even a "crappy" job than stuck on the dole with long months of boredom and very little money to look forward to. People can no longer afford to be picky about the work they do.

iamstop · 04-10-2011 04:07PM

Narry a face nor a palm big enough could be found suitable for the OP.

ejmaztec · 04-10-2011 04:15PM

Outside of the multi-nationals in Ireland, the best men or woman for the job is the close relative of the boss that was starved of oxygen at birth and thinks that he or she is a tea-pot.

dr.bollocko · 04-10-2011 04:25PM

Another new low for after hours.

Even modern submarines can't sink this low.

At least nobody blamed boards crazy PC do-gooders for not advocating this wonderful idea and marching on the bleeding heart government.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Sounds sensible to me, dont listen to the crazy broads liberals.

Damn.

Too late.

risteard7 · 04-10-2011 04:54PM

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

Wasting your time you will be shot down.Most people on boards seem to love the foreigners getting jobs social welfare etc.But then again they are prob the ones with jobs and dont know what its like

IrishEyes19 · 04-10-2011 05:16PM

I've many friends from all over the world and a policy of only allowing a select nationality entitlement to a job does seem unfair.

However, having said that, after graduating from college, paying taxes when I worked, and now not being able to get a job, I can certainly put up an arguement to how unfair it is that my local shops wouldnt hire me part time to work there even though I had the relevent experience, while Im studying. And yet hired people who had less experience if any but agreed to work for less, is quite sickening.

Its not only exploitation of people paying them less, but its the detriment of small towns and villages in this country, because a lot of the young people have left due to no work.

Im certainly not saying there should be a favourable policy, but theres has certainly has been the case that Irish people have been left at the bottom of the rung in the last few years and the notion that they wouldnt do the jobs offered is rubbish. Tons of students, families who lost their jobs were and are willing to take whats going, when theres food to put on the table.
People need to face facts I think, we can embrace all nationalities, people are people, but at the end of the day, no economy is going to prosper if the money earned is going back to their mother country or Ireland is paying child allowance for children in the mother country. Its a fact.Not a racist comment, just plain fact. It is time to protect our own AS WELL as others. Im not saying abandon non Irish here, of course not. But leaving our own to suffer isnt right either

billybudd · 04-10-2011 05:22PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Wasting your time you will be shot down.Most people on boards seem to love the foreigners getting jobs social welfare etc.But then again they are prob the ones with jobs and dont know what its like

Would you take a job as a kitchen porter? honest answer please?

IrishEyes19 · 04-10-2011 05:23PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Wasting your time you will be shot down.Most people on boards seem to love the foreigners getting jobs social welfare etc.But then again they are prob the ones with jobs and dont know what its like

+ 1 to this. Its very interesting how social morals are at all time high when people are behind a computer screen. But Id be willing to bet anything when faced with no job due to redundency or being let go and you cant get a job anywhere. things change.

The brazen attitudes Ive faced when working as the only Irish girl in a shop, or being ignored or literarly laughed at has been horrendous. And its certainly not all non nationals Ive worked with, but the majority have been very cold. Thankfully not all of them or Id have lost my mind. Or telling me theres no job positions and when I asked for the manager Id be offered an interview in some cases. Madness.

IrishEyes19 · 04-10-2011 05:24PM

billybudd wrote: »

Would you take a job as a kitchen porter? honest answer please?

To fund college I actually did. It was tough going. But had to. And I would know if I was in the same situation again to get where I had to.

billybudd · 04-10-2011 05:26PM

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

To fund college I actually did. It was tough going. But had to. And I would know if I was in the same situation again to get where I had to.

well thats different, i just wonder if Irish people would take any job going as oppossed to one in their field?

The King of Moo · 04-10-2011 05:29PM

air assault wrote: »

people returning to ireland that are irish will have priority over others applying for the job. then if the employer cannot fins suitable irish people for the job other nationalities will get it

I confess that I don't understand this.

Why should Irish people who emigrated and haven't contributed to the economy get preference over people who may have come here, or been born to parents who came here, and have been working and paying taxes here.

Let's imagine Tom is born in Ireland, and leaves for Australia when he's 21. At the age of 36, he decides to come back here.

Now Pawel came here when he 25. He's now 42 and has been working and paying taxes for the majority of his time here, and is a legitimate E.U citizen.

They're both applying for the same job, and are equally suitable for it.

Would Tom, under your system, be the preferred candidate?
If so, why?
I genuinely don't understand your criteria, and why they should give Tom an advantage.

billybudd · 04-10-2011 05:39PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I confess that I don't understand this.

Why should Irish people who emigrated and haven't contributed to the economy get preference over people who may have come here, or been born to parents who came here, and have been working and paying taxes here.

Let's imagine Tom is born in Ireland, and leaves for Australia when he's 21. At the age of 36, he decides to come back here.

Now Pawel came here when he 25. He's now 42 and has been working and paying taxes for the majority of his time here, and is a legitimate E.U citizen.

They're both applying for the same job, and are equally suitable for it.

Would Tom, under your system, be the preferred candidate?
If so, why?
I genuinely don't understand your criteria, and why they should give Tom an advantage.

Because certain people ignore and will never admit to the great things that people from other countries contributed to this country and still do.

If someone from another country has a nice car then it is obviously from the welfare as opposed to not drinking half your wages away on a friday and saturday night, oh hold on thats stereotyping...sorry!

Irish first policy for jobs

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