X Factor humiliates 'simple' people.

joseph brand

I try to avoid this show as much as possible, but since the other half watches it, sometimes I catch a bit of it.
It was on last week and there was someone trying to sing, but anyone could see they weren't the full shilling. Still though, the producers think it would be great entertainment to give this person about 5/6 minutes of air time. The whole audience of morons, (in their collective ignorance) laugh, point and boo this unfortunate person.

If this show is looking for 'talent', then why do the worst singers get so much air time?

As far as I can see, there are some people with genuine mental problems paraded on stage for mockery. The audience grunt, point and laugh, while the smug 'judges' wait to top it off with a blunt statement about how bad they are.
I'm nt just saying this because I despise Louis and Simon. They are total cnuts.

It's just that I've never noticed anyone else who hates the show mention this aspect, except one.

El Weirdo

joseph brand wrote: »

It's just that I've never noticed anyone else who hates the show mention this aspect, except one.

What? It's been argued countless times.

Seachmall

I blame the friends or family members who let them do it knowing it'll destroy them but are too afraid to look like the bad guy.

Although in some cases singing on front of a packed concert hall is their dream, regardless if they're good or not they want to do that. And fair play to those people imo.

Biggins

Ok!

billybudd

It can also makes them rich and famous and which is their ultimate goal, win win situation if you ask me.

El Weirdo

billybudd wrote: »

It can also makes them rich and famous and which is their ultimate goal, win win situation if you ask me.

I think you'll find that the people making the money are very rarely the ones up on stage.

mikemac

This song is for my third cousin who I met once twelve years ago and I nothing about him except but he is in hospital.
I'm so sad over it, this song is from the heart and especially for you Johno

Is it a singing contest or whoever has the saddest sob story wins?

billybudd wrote: »

It can also makes them rich and famous and which is their ultimate goal, win win situation if you ask me.

Even if they win I'd be sure the contract is structured that the producers and managers get most of the money

Corvo

Look I'm no fan of Xfactor, but quit your moaning. If you dont like it, get rid of the woman and then you wont have to watch it. Or get in the shed.

Minstrel27

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Look I'm no fan of Xfactor, but quit your moaning. If you dont like it, get rid of the woman and then you wont have to watch it. Or get in the shed.

People shouldn't have opinions?

JerryHandbag

There was that Irish rocker type guy who came on the Late Late Show a few weeks ago (he sang Starman I think), and told his sob story.

I felt a bit sorry for him, he obviously doesn't have the look and isn't "marketable" according to Cowell and his cronies. But then I thought, hang on....he put himself in the position to be embarrassed, he brought it on himself!

Mr. Incognito

To be honest- anyone who goes on that show is mentally retarded / deluded / gullible and idiotic.

People queueing up to be expolited and cast aside-

And that goes for the viewers too- shallow bints the lot of em

LadyMayBelle

Thai has been argued countless times. Look how much media coverage that woman who was on two weeks ago (who clearly was a few cans short of a sixpack and then some)..papers full of it, and the viewership probably shot up.

People are 'vetted' by two panels before they get through to the 'stage' bit..so they've been told they've a chance by that alone.

I don't blame family and friends as such; I blame parents when it comes to the young teens who cant sing/look like a popstar.

I work in Essex, where peoples base line frame of reference is that Xfactor is the NORM, along with manis, pedis, hair extensions, fake tan and modelling is normal for children. I used to blame parents directly, but even they are exposed to this norm. It's a scary vicious circle.

/RANT over...I'm always ranting about it but that in itself is a vicious circle..i'm talking about Xfactor

joseph brand

Sorry if it's been mentioned before, didn't see it.

BTW, for anyone who hates this show, there's a clip of one of their judges getting served.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtzFhsv6OU

Snakeblood

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Thai has been argued countless times. Look how much media coverage that woman who was on two weeks ago (who clearly was a few cans short of a sixpack and then some)..papers full of it, and the viewership probably shot up.

People are 'vetted' by two panels before they get through to the 'stage' bit..so they've been told they've a chance by that alone.

I don't blame family and friends as such; I blame parents when it comes to the young teens who cant sing/look like a popstar.

I work in Essex, where peoples base line frame of reference is that Xfactor is the NORM, along with manis, pedis, hair extensions, fake tan and modelling is normal for children. I used to blame parents directly, but even they are exposed to this norm. It's a scary vicious circle.

/RANT over...I'm always ranting about it but that in itself is a vicious circle..i'm talking about Xfactor

Sounds like someone needs a vajazzle.

Seachmall

joseph brand wrote: »

Sorry if it's been mentioned before, didn't see it.

BTW, for anyone who hates this show, there's a clip of one of their judges getting served.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtzFhsv6OU

Bunch of tits. They can't sing (or dance). They got told they can't sing.

That judge going on about how women should stick together is also a tit.

billybudd

El Weirdo wrote: »

I think you'll find that the people making the money are very rarely the ones up on stage.

I said it can make them rich.

Also aot of people do very well after it regardless of the so called pittfalls, there are people who have appeared on it from years ago making very good money from circuit shows...Butlins, crusie ships etc, it gives them a profile they did not have before, i am not a fan of the show indeed i have never even seen it but surely you can see it raises some wannabe stars profiles, you go from sharon from tyrone to sharon from x factor and that marketing can be priceless.

dark crystal

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

To be honest- anyone who goes on that show is mentally retarded / deluded / gullible and idiotic.

People queueing up to be expolited and cast aside-

And that goes for the viewers too- shallow bints the lot of em

Lol, I suppose you watch only intellectually and educationally stimulating programming then, yeah?

Lord TSC

I agree the parents have to take some blame. It freaks me out when you see these kids go on, and their parents obviously think they are absolutly amazing, but then they can't hit a single note. I get that some parents idolize their kids and think they are great, but there are so many dellusional ones it's unreal

smash

What are you talking about? there's loads of sane, talented people on X-Factor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ilbC4kJhY

billybudd

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

To be honest- anyone who goes on that show is mentally retarded / deluded / gullible and idiotic.

People queueing up to be expolited and cast aside-

And that goes for the viewers too- shallow bints the lot of em

Jedward. two lads from lucan, self made millionaires before the age of 20 and during a recession, i am sure they all those things you mentioned :rolleyes:

loobylou

Programmes like X Factor, Kyle, Springer appeal to the same part of the human psyche as used to be catered for by travelling freak shows.

AeoNGriM

joseph brand wrote: »

I try to avoid this show as much as possible, but since the other half watches it, sometimes I catch a bit of it.
It was on last week and there was someone trying to sing, but anyone could see they weren't the full shilling. Still though, the producers think it would be great entertainment to give this person about 5/6 minutes of air time. The whole audience of morons, (in their collective ignorance) laugh, point and boo this unfortunate person.

If this show is looking for 'talent', then why do the worst singers get so much air time?

As far as I can see, there are some people with genuine mental problems paraded on stage for mockery. The audience grunt, point and laugh, while the smug 'judges' wait to top it off with a blunt statement about how bad they are.
I'm nt just saying this because I despise Louis and Simon. They are total cnuts.

It's just that I've never noticed anyone else who hates the show mention this aspect, except one.

Whatever about how it was originally intended, this show is all about the drama, the gossip and the disasterous auditions.

Wasn't there a news story last week about how in an entire hour long episode there was only about 8 minutes of actual singing as everything seemed focused on the hype and the drama?

Link : http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/185636/daily-tv-round-upjust-eight-minutes-of-singing-per-x-factor.html

It's not about finding new talent, it's about mocking retards and sh!t singers. And Simon Cowell's smug pretentiousness. The cnut is so far up his own ass he wears his kidneys as earrings.

smash

billybudd wrote: »

Jedward. two lads from lucan, self made millionaires before the age of 20 and during a recession, i am sure they all those things you mentioned :rolleyes:

Self made? hardly....

billybudd

smash wrote: »

Self made? hardly....

How are they not?

sunflower27

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

To be honest- anyone who goes on that show is mentally retarded / deluded / gullible and idiotic.

People queueing up to be expolited and cast aside-

And that goes for the viewers too- shallow bints the lot of em

I don't think Leona Lewis is any of the things you mention. She is hugely successful, as other finalists/winners have been.

Obviously a show like the X Factor is going to attract people that aren't the full shilling. I know I can't sing and would not dream of putting myself up for the guaranteed ridicule.

Some people are obviously deluded in their talent and unfortunately are going to be ridiculed. No one is making these people try out for it.

loobylou

billybudd wrote: »

i am sure they all those things you mentioned :rolleyes:

At least two of them anyway.

CrazyRabbit

This forum humiliates simple people just as much.

nix

meh, jokes on them, anybody who watches xfactor is retarded.

Nothing but glorified karaoke singers being judged by no talent hacks, all winners are forgotten about way before the next "season" of the **** stain of a show begins. Its just sad how many people actually like the show, this reality crap is killing real TV. All the show really does is highlight the collective stupidity of the majority of humans.. sadly..

So the retards on the stage get pointed and laughed at by the audience/tv people and then we laugh at them for being so stupid/retarded. Just glad to be top of that "food chain"

X factor, lowering the standards of humanity.

billybudd

loobylou wrote: »

At least two of them anyway.

Which two?

smash

billybudd wrote: »

How are they not?

They went on a talent show, with no talent. Acted like complete morons and got signed by Luis Walsh. They're not self made, x-factor made them. Luis got them their gigs etc. then sold them on to another management agency because he owned the righst to them. And he made more from that sale than they've made. In a few years they'll be nobody.

Demonique

billybudd wrote: »

Jedward. two lads from lucan, self made millionaires before the age of 20 and during a recession, i am sure they all those things you mentioned :rolleyes:

Just because they're self made millionaires doesn't mean they have actual talent, they're awful

smash

Oh yea, Jedward were also a plant... There's photos of them with Luis Walsh before they were even on X-Factor.

I had this argument with someone and they said, the people CHOOSE to go on the show they want to be on TV and that the bottom line.

Its back to the argument....can you save people from themselves, the general belief is that people have total free choice and that include the choice to make a fool of themselves.

billybudd

smash wrote: »

They went on a talent show, with no talent. Acted like complete morons and got signed by Luis Walsh. They're not self made, x-factor made them. Luis got them their gigs etc. then sold them on to another management agency because he owned the right to them. And he made more from that sale than they've made. In a few years they'll be nobody.

They had the balls to do it, and what x factor or luis walsh did for them is no different from what management companies do for other stars such as oasis, pearl jam etc, they used their limited talents to become millionaires, its futile and a bit bitter of you to take that away from them.

Tordelback

The telling description that sticks in mind, and which also covers Big Brother, I'm A Celebrity etc.* is "Kill the Pig Telly".




*But not Masterchef, 'cos I like that, and hypocrisy never hurt anyone. Although I'm not so sure about the Irish version, which has a nastiness that is strikingly absent in the BBC original.

Haelium

Oh great, yet again people talk about Jedward being rich, here's the thing: Being rich does not change the fact that they are ****ing idiots with no talent, the real question we need to ask ourselves is how society values their services over the services of the teacher, the nurse, the factory worker who actually contribute something of value to society.

billybudd

smash wrote: »

Oh yea, Jedward were also a plant... There's photos of them with Luis Walsh before they were even on X-Factor.

whatever, i am proud of any Irish person that does well in this world.

the purple tin

Looking at the most of the previous winners, it seems like two to three years after you win x factor your music career is in the toilet.

digme

Haelium wrote: »

Oh great, yet again people talk about Jedward being rich, here's the thing: Being rich does not change the fact that they are ****ing idiots with no talent, the real question we need to ask ourselves is how society values their services over the services of the teacher, the nurse, the factory worker who actually contribute something of value to society.

if they showed a show where celebs eat swans, people would copy them.

smash

billybudd wrote: »

its futile and a bit bitter of you to take that away from them.

That's just BS now. firstly, I'm not taking anything away from anyone, I'm stating a fact that they're talentless? They are! Acting like an idiot is not a talent. And to second that, it's not bitter to say it.

billybudd wrote: »

whatever, i am proud of any Irish person that does well in this world.

:rolleyes:

Haelium

billybudd wrote: »

whatever, i am proud of any Irish person that does well in this world.

Really? You're proud of the fact that Jedward are Irish. It reminds me of why people think know that we're a country of idiots.

joseph brand

billybudd wrote: »

Jedward. two lads from lucan, self made millionaires before the age of 20 and during a recession, i am sure they all those things you mentioned :rolleyes:

How are they self-made?
Also, Louis has a sordid interest in these twin boys. Louis is a creep. The way the twins go on, they were bound to be noticed by someone somewhere.

It still hurts my brain trying to fathom what is wrong with the fans. There was an article in the paper a few years ago about some Jedward fans flying over from England, to watch Jedward on X Factor, on a telly in the Lord Lucan pub.

Their words were probably:"Cos it's where they iz from innit".

Chains

It all comes down to the chicken and the egg really; people watch this show to see other people being put down, and the emotional aspect of it is entertainment to them. The show is delivering what the viewers want. Can't really blame them for the tastes of the general public.... oh wait, you still kind of can!

Its a horrific circle. I hate this 15 minutes culture we now have.

joseph brand

mariaalice wrote: »

I had this argument with someone and they said, the people CHOOSE to go on the show they want to be on TV and that the bottom line.

Its back to the argument....can you save people from themselves, the general belief is that people have total free choice and that include the choice to make a fool of themselves.

How do they get to be on the stage in front of a massive audience? Have they not auditioned before? I'm thinking of that huge winding queue outside the studios.

The ones who seem to be 'not with it', should be cut out at least by the editors. Fine if people want to watch this, it's not MY cup of tea. Just don't give them so much air time for ridicule.

Chains

The initial audition process is to vet out who would look good on telly, then after that they have a second round with the big stage etc

Jaxxy

I enjoy watching the X-Factor very much. I'm not simple, cruel or remotely stupid. I don't watch it to ridicule the deluded or take pleasure from others embarrassment. I watch it because I enjoy singing, studied music (although granted you couldn't call a lot of the auditionees traditionally musically gifted) and it's a couple of hours I get to spend with the mother, because she enjoys it too.

I am by no means denying that some of these people are being exploited for the entertainment of the masses, but not all X-Factor fans are brainless followers of the Z list celebrity phenomenon.

Chains

Isn't watching something that is that exploitative somewhat disturbing though?

I don't mean this to question your intelligence, but you can surely see that it is quite repetitive, saccharine, and insidious?

Big Nasty

Is it wrong to put mentally retarded people on reality tv shows so the audience can laugh at them?

Most definitely YES! :mad:

And the shows are sh1t too.

Orando Broom

Seachmall wrote: »

Bunch of tits. They can't sing (or dance). They got told they can't sing.

That judge going on about how women should stick together is also a tit.

Careful there, that was an example of 'Wimmin doin' ih fo' they'sells'.

Chains

Orando Broom wrote: »

Careful there, that was an example of 'Wimmin doin' ih fo' they'sells'.

eh.... what?

Jaxxy

Chains wrote: »

Isn't watching something that is that exploitative somewhat disturbing though?

I don't mean this to question your intelligence, but you can surely see that it is quite repetitive, saccharine, and insidious?

Of course I can! It's an exceptionally manipulative format. You get the sob stories, the "You Raise Me Up" in the background at the right climactic moment and the belittling of the deluded loons for the giggles.

Fact remains though that whatever team you have behind you and with whatever clever editing the producers push for, talent is still talent. X-Factor has launched a number of gifted singers into the public spotlight and at the end of the day that is what they want, what they go on the show for. I'd struggle to feel sorry for the success stories.