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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)
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[IMG]Here is a description of a Brontosaurus-like creature called 'behemoth' in Job 40:15-22[/img]
15 “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox.
16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron.
19 He is the first of the ways of God; Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
20 Surely the mountains yield food for him, And all the beasts of the field play there.
21 He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh.
22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;The willows by the brook surround him.
Sorry for jumping back to your initial post but im not sure how Jobs description translates in the picture in the post. There no mention of tangible scale (how big it is) or mention of a long neck, perhaps its most obvious feature.
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Sorry for jumping back to your initial post but im not sure how Jobs description translates in the picture in the post. There no mention of tangible scale (how big it is) or mention of a long neck, perhaps its most obvious feature.
Agreed. Quite a jump to go from "behemoth" (the only term in there that would tie it to a brontosaurus-like creature) to dinosaur. Is there a description of a Tyrannosaurus in the Bible, perchance?0 -
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Yes, the description could be applied to anything. A rhino, an elephant?Sorry for jumping back to your initial post but im not sure how Jobs description translates in the picture in the post. There no mention of tangible scale (how big it is) or mention of a long neck, perhaps its most obvious feature.
Also, those dinosaurs ate leaves, not grass.0 -
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Like a cedar refers to the great size and power of the tail. Not a shrub, not a mediocre tree - but a mighty cedar.Monty Burnz wrote: »Why? How does a cedar move its tail? Or, more accurately, how does a cedar move? The way branches wave? Or the way the leaves tremble?
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Amos 2:9 “Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Whose height was like the height of the cedars,
And he was as strong as the oaks;
Yet I destroyed his fruit above
And his roots beneath.0 -
That's your guess? Because it seems wide open interpretation...(as usual). That still doesn't explain why 'behemoth' eats grass and the large dinosaurs were leaf eaters. And I don't imagine they would have fared very well in 'mountain' climates where the behemoth is supposed to have eaten - you will note that there are no large modern 4-legged herbivores living in the mountains (hippos, rhinos, elephants). Mountain slopes don't seem to suit 4 tonne elephants, never mind 60 tonne Argentinosaurs.Like a cedar refers to the great size and power of the tail. Not a shrub, not a mediocre tree - but a mighty cedar.
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I'd also query how a 100 foot long dinosaur would be shaded by a small tree like the lotus.
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Lying in a marsh would make height a relative matter. And the distance between mountains and marshes - especially for large dinosaurs - is not a problem. It is not a matter of distant climatic regions, but ranging from rivers to local mountains. Hey, I can lie in the river/sea at Bloody Bridge and walk up Donard on a sunny day, following the same river.Monty Burnz wrote: »That's your guess? Because it seems wide open interpretation...(as usual). That still doesn't explain why 'behemoth' eats grass and the large dinosaurs were leaf eaters. And I don't imagine they would have fared very well in 'mountain' climates where the behemoth is supposed to have eaten - you will note that there are no large modern 4-legged herbivores living in the mountains (hippos, rhinos, elephants). Mountain slopes don't seem to suit 4 tonne elephants, never mind 60 tonne Argentinosaurs.
I'd also query how a 100 foot long dinosaur would be shaded by a small tree like the lotus.
As to grass or leaves, are you sure it could not eat both? Some rhinos eat leaves and plants, others mainly grasses. I suggest their ancestor had a wider range of dietary ability. So too for the behemoth.
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Amos 2:9 “Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Whose height was like the height of the cedars,
And he was as strong as the oaks;
Yet I destroyed his fruit above
And his roots beneath.0 -
So you reckon these giant dinosaurs climbed the mountains to eat grass, then came down again to lie in a low-lying marsh to lie under a small tree that doesn't grow in marshes?Lying in a marsh would make height a relative matter. And the distance between mountains and marshes - especially for large dinosaurs - is not a problem. It is not a matter of distant climatic regions, but ranging from rivers to local mountains. Hey, I can lie in the river/sea at Bloody Bridge and walk up Donard on a sunny day, following the same river. Sounds a bit far fetched? Not very energy efficient either, even if we forget about the lotus tree mistake. Are there any very large herbivores that both live in swamps and climb mountains today?
Why does the description specify grass then? Why not 'foliage' or 'plants'? It says it "eats grass like an ox". That bit is specific.As to grass or leaves, are you sure it could not eat both? Some rhinos eat leaves and plants, others mainly grasses. I suggest their ancestor had a wider range of dietary ability. So too for the behemoth.0 -
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15 “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox.
16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron.
19 He is the first of the ways of God; Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
20 Surely the mountains yield food for him, And all the beasts of the field play there.
21 He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh.
22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;The willows by the brook surround him.
Hey look - I've found just as good a fit for the passage.0 -
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