wives and mothers are as much to blame for the abuse

booboo88

Date:
15 Sep 2011
Exposure of abuse has opened ‘door to hell’.
A Wexford priest has said that Irish society does not want to hear the politically incorrect truth about child sexual abuse in Ireland which is that “there is another category of people that will match the failure of the bishops, and probably surpass it; the wives and mothers of Ireland, not exclusively wives and mothers but far too many who failed miserably to deal with the abuse of their children by other family members.”
Writing in this week’s Irish Catholic newspaper, Fr Paddy Banville of Ferns Diocese says a significant percentage of the population are implicated in the cover-up of abuse.
He writes: “In time, I believe Ireland will discover that there is nothing particularly unique in the Catholic bishop’s bungling attempts to deal with clerical abuse...In fact, I believe that covering up is a typical response to child abuse right across the board, at least until very recently.”
Extracts from Fr Paddy Banville’s article below:
“In exposing abuse within the Catholic Church, we have opened the door to hell and stepped inside the front porch, and standing there in horror some have dared to peer further, into the hallway and reception areas of a very dark and unexplored house.”
“In time, I believe Ireland will discover that there is nothing particularly unique in the Catholic bishop’s bungling attempts to deal with clerical abuse...In fact, I believe that covering up is a typical response to child abuse right across the board, at least until very recently.”
“Few can accept my next point and, of course, it’s so politically incorrect to make the point, but there is another category of people that will match the failure of the bishops, and probably surpass it; the wives and mothers of Ireland, not exclusively wives and mothers but far too many who failed miserably to deal with the abuse of their children by other family members.”
“A multitude of people are implicated in this cover-up. I believe it is a significant percentage of the population. Nobody in this once sovereign democratic republic wants to hear this.”
“Let me conclude by adapting the words of the Taoiseach: there is no shortage of dysfunction, disconnection, elitism and narcissism in the Republic of Ireland 2011, where the rape and torture of children are downplayed or managed, to uphold instead the primacy of the family, the family name, its power, standing and reputation, and where multitudes living in our midst, have turned a blind eye: not my business!”
“We don’t know it yet, or perhaps we don’t want to know it, but in terms of child abuse the Catholic Church is holding up a mirror to Irish society.”
“This time Enda Kenny has got to go all the way and all the way is much further than the Vatican!”

oh yes, he did

Master and commander

the catholic church and its apparatchicks never fail to amaze with thier delusions. So now the abuse was the fault of the mothers and wives, not of the church.

sometimes the church's deluded opinions could be compared to the delusional ramblings of Gaddaffi

Kold

I see only one solution really. We decide that paedophilia is socially acceptable.

Sykk

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booboo88

Their stupidity really does know no bounds.

LeixlipRed

The same wives and mothers who had such a position of power in this country up until so regualry. Oh wait, what?

opinion guy

Father Banville just didn't know when to stop digging.....

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mikemac

The man has a point

But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

LeixlipRed

mikemac wrote: »

The man has a point

But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

And exactly how do you think a woman in the 60s, 70s or 80s would have been treated if she wandered down to the garda station to tell them about how her husband was raping their child?

hondasam

The point he is making is child abuse has happened in family homes and it was covered up,
families were ashamed to admit a family member abused a child.

gargleblaster

mikemac wrote: »

The man has a point

But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

getthe****outtahere

booboo88

mikemac wrote: »

The man has a point

But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

No ANY abuser is scum, be they strangers, priests, family members, any single person that abuses anyone, ever is scum.

yeppydeppy

Jesus H. fuppin' Christ, these guys have got some nerve.

Nodin

gargleblaster wrote: »

Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as priests who covered up for abusers.
...........

I like the cut of your gib. A invitation to the Gentlemans Mysogyny Club is being run past the board - my man will contact your man with the news.

mikemac

gargleblaster wrote: »

Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized

Did you read the article?

not exclusively wives and mothers

booboo88

yeppydeppy wrote: »

Jesus H. fuppin' Christ, these guys have got some nerve. Let me guess, this priest is an elderly man with greying hair.

that probably now wants his "privacy"

Da_Doc

LeixlipRed wrote: »

And exactly how do you think a woman in the 60s, 70s or 80s would have been treated if she wandered down to the garda station to tell them about how her husband was raping their child?

And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything

Nodin

mikemac wrote: »

.................

Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

...or Popemobile.

gargleblaster

mikemac wrote: »

Did you read the article?

Yes.

Read it again.

'these people, not just these people, but...'

Do you see the implication?

Da_Doc wrote: »

And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything

A few friendly suggestions. Take a sociology course, take a psychology course, and do some reading about sexual abuse in childhood and how it tends to carry on, generation after generation.

smash

Fr Paddy Banville needs a good kicking!

hondasam

gargleblaster wrote: »

Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

getthe****outtahere

If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.

LeixlipRed

Da_Doc wrote: »

And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything

And that's ridiculous simplistic. What if the wive was herself being abused? I've no doubt that some mothers/wives were complicit in covering up abuse. But are they all to blame in general? No, of course not! The abusers shoulder the vast portion of the blame.

Da_Doc

gargleblaster wrote: »

Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

getthe****outtahere

Dude he makn the point that the males doin the abuse and the females covering up. Think it the men been demonized more....and if the guilty rightly so

Standman

So it's all the wimmins fault for not reporting the poor catholic priests who couldn't help raping their kids, the cruel wenches! :rolleyes:

gargleblaster

hondasam wrote: »

If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.

Same suggestions as above.

And I'm out of this thread.

hondasam

Standman wrote: »

So it's all the wimmins fault for not reporting the poor catholic priests who couldn't help raping their kids, the cruel wenches! :rolleyes:

Did you actually read it at all, he is on about abuse that happened in the family home.

Dudess

mikemac wrote: »

The man has a point

Yes he has - to steer focus on those in positions of power within the Roman catholic church over to people who had much, much, much less power.

What a ****.

opinion guy

It would appear misogyny is alive and well on after hours after all - not to mention in the Catholic church (shock horror).

I'm also out of this thread...I'm sure there is a brick wall I could go bang my head off instead somewhere....it would be more enjoyable and productive

smash

hondasam wrote: »

Did you actually read it at all, he is on about abuse that happened in the family home.

Ok, times have changed. Women were basically second class citizens back then, men had the power in the home. The same way a priest had the power in the community, but they covered up too. If it happened today, they'd be reported. The issue here is that he's trying to dodge a bullet and move it away from the church and is blaming others.

But why is he saying wives and mothers alone, what about fathers who didn't report or protect their children or are they somehow excluded form responsibly.

Dudess

hondasam wrote: »

If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.

No they're not. They're in the wrong too, but only a person who is an abuser is as bad as the abuser.
Plus, the reasons as to WHY they didn't do something about the abuse should be examined... but I know some people get a hard-on out of apportioning blame without facts.

Da_Doc

LeixlipRed wrote: »

And that's ridiculous simplistic. What if the wive was herself being abused? I've no doubt that some mothers/wives were complicit in covering up abuse. But are they all to blame in general? No, of course not! The abusers shoulder the vast portion of the blame.

Of course the abuser bare all of the blame for the abuse but the child should be protected at all cost. Im not trying to demonize any women who were in this situation or anything because Im sure they have more than suffered too but Im not willing to accept that there is nothing that can be done to stop the children being abused. Someone somewhere would listen....they'd have to.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQPMjQApBcw

hondasam

smash wrote: »

Ok, times have changed. Women were basically second class citizens back then, men had the power in the home. The same way a priest had the power in the community, but they covered up too. If it happened today, they'd be reported. The issue here is that he's trying to dodge a bullet and move it away from the church and is blaming others.

I guess we are all reading it differently, abuse is still happening today in family homes and it's not been reported.
If priests are abusing children today I hope it would be reported.

hondasam

Dudess wrote: »

No they're not. They're in the wrong too, but only a person who is an abuser is as bad as the abuser.
Plus, the reasons as to WHY they didn't do something about the abuse should be examined... but I know some people get a hard-on out of apportioning blame without facts.

None of us know the facts, I see it as my responsibly to protect my kids regardless and if I am prepared to turn a blind eye then I'm just as bad.

I'm out of this thread also.

Da_Doc

mariaalice wrote: »

But why is he saying wives and mothers alone, what about fathers who didn't report or protect their children or are they somehow excluded form responsibly.

He is insinuating the the fathers doing the abuse...if half the people bother reading the article he is talking about abuse in the home

Adyx

smash wrote: »

Ok, times have changed. Women were basically second class citizens back then, men had the power in the home. The same way a priest had the power in the community, but they covered up too. If it happened today, they'd be reported. The issue here is that he's trying to dodge a bullet and move it away from the church and is blaming others.

Back when? Do you think this isn't still going on?

This priest is only inviting trouble on himself with this article. He puts his point across in a very bad way which leads to confusion. Also, I don't think anything comes close to the cover-ups done by the church. That said, he does actually have a good point however badly he tries to get it across.

FetchTheGin

This is unbelievable.

In time, I believe Ireland will discover that there is nothing particularly unique in the Catholic bishop’s bungling attempts to deal with clerical abuse

Eh, for the first time in **** knows how many years, in the eyes of the Catholic church, it IS unique.

but there is another category of people that will match the failure of the bishops, and probably surpass it

So let me get this straight, he thinks that a few cases of domestic abuse surpass the years of; suppression of women, horrific abuse of children, not to mention the oppression of an entire nation for many years and the attempted cover up of this abuse over an international scale? BULL****!

but in terms of child abuse the Catholic Church is holding up a mirror to Irish society

Hold up a mirror to yourselves, there is no coming back from the ongoing and past crimes you committed.

So paddy in conclusion, take your opinion, along with your backward religious cult and **** OFF.

mossyc123

The Rep from "One-in-Four" said on The Frontline on Monday that 99% of abuse was carried out in the family home or by a family member.

IMO the mainstream media and the politicians are happy enough to go along with the narrative that it was 99% carried out by Catholic Clergy as it is a convenient bogey-man to blame for all of the crimes committed and the massive failure at State level to protect Children over the years.

To blame wives/mothers is a stupid thing to do IMO as they might themselves have been victims of abuse.

The blame should lay at the door of everyone who knew and didn't do anything about it.

Dudess

Da_Doc wrote: »

He is insinuating the the fathers doing the abuse...if half the people bother reading the article he is talking about abuse in the home

And if you read between the lines you'll see he's trying to detract attention from Rome. As if those mothers had the same kind of powers as senior figures within the church had. So he's not even comparing like with like - and he doesn't even consider factors that may have led to women not speaking out. Only a simpleton would think all those mothers just decided not to protect their children.

People aren't disputing that much, if not most, child sexual abuse occurs in the home either.

Ah yes, Anne Coulter - the childless, single career woman who believes women should be mothers and wives and stay at home.

Another ****.

smash

hondasam wrote: »

I guess we are all reading it differently, abuse is still happening today in family homes and it's not been reported.
If priests are abusing children today I hope it would be reported.

I'd hope that in both cases it would be reported. More than likely in a lot of cases it wont be because the abuser will instil fear in their victim. So lets go back to the past, children and wives were probably fearful of the fathers that abused. It does not make the women as bad as the abuser, they probably did console the abused. Now lets take it a step further... the wife turns to the one person she can 'trust', the local priest. She tells him, he will not report it because of the sacred confession, and he's probably at it himself or he knows of other priests that are at it. Who does she turn to?

The church trying to dodge the issue or pass blame will not fly any more.

mossyc123

FetchTheGin wrote: »

So let me get this straight, he thinks that a few cases of domestic abuse surpass the years of; suppression of women, horrific abuse of children, not to mention the oppression of an entire nation for many years and the attempted cover up of this abuse over an international scale? BULL****

The vast majority of abuse carried out in Ireland was perpetrated by family members according to the Rep from "One-in-Four" who was speaking on The Frontline on Monday.

FetchTheGin

mossyc123 wrote: »

The vast majority of abuse carried out in Ireland was perpetrated by family members according to the Rep from "One-in-Four" who was speaking on The Frontline on Monday.

I would be delighted to look at these statistics.

Dudess

To be fair, I don't know whether misogyny is the issue here - if he could find a reason to target men, I'm sure he would too.

previous user

And then they'll become even more alienated from the Irish people and they'l say it's the athiests with their hidden agenda trying to dismantle their precious institution, Idiots!

mconigol

A lot of people in Ireland knew what was going on and didn't do a thing.

It was no secret growing up you were always told to be wary of priests ffs.

thebigbiffo

man's got a point actually.

i know 2 girls who were abused as children by family members and their parents essentially 'covered it up'.

read parents though Father - not just wives and mothers.

smash

Dudess wrote: »

To be fair, I don't know whether misogyny is the issue here - if he could find a reason to target men, I'm sure he would too.

Like all the male priests? Actually no, that wouldn't be in his interest. It's easier to prey on the weak.

Dudess

thebigbiffo wrote: »

man's got a point actually.

i know 2 girls who were abused as children by family members and their parents essentially 'covered it up'.

The man clearly has an agenda to push - to take the heat off the Vatican.

And the fact that he actually said those generally powerless mothers were as much, if not more, responsible for suffering than the powerful senior clerics who did nothing... is utterly despicable.

mossyc123

FetchTheGin wrote: »

I would be delighted to look at these statistics.

http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1111993

She didn't quote a report or anything, feel free to look for it yourself online.

booboo88

smash wrote: »

Like all the male priests? Actually no, that wouldn't be in his interest. It's easier to prey on the weak.

Not all male priests are the same, some of them are fantastic people, and do everything for the community,
so as much as I despise abusers, rapists, peadophiles, not all priest are the same.
But then we have this guy, blaming wives and mothers, alot of wives and mothers were themselves being abused, and its still lingers today, the ol irish way, what happens behind closed doors, is no ones business, very sad but true,