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wives and mothers are as much to blame for the abuse

  • 16-09-2011 03:41PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭


    Date:
    15 Sep 2011
    Exposure of abuse has opened ‘door to hell’.
    A Wexford priest has said that Irish society does not want to hear the politically incorrect truth about child sexual abuse in Ireland which is that “there is another category of people that will match the failure of the bishops, and probably surpass it; the wives and mothers of Ireland, not exclusively wives and mothers but far too many who failed miserably to deal with the abuse of their children by other family members.”
    Writing in this week’s Irish Catholic newspaper, Fr Paddy Banville of Ferns Diocese says a significant percentage of the population are implicated in the cover-up of abuse.
    He writes: “In time, I believe Ireland will discover that there is nothing particularly unique in the Catholic bishop’s bungling attempts to deal with clerical abuse...In fact, I believe that covering up is a typical response to child abuse right across the board, at least until very recently.”
    Extracts from Fr Paddy Banville’s article below:
    “In exposing abuse within the Catholic Church, we have opened the door to hell and stepped inside the front porch, and standing there in horror some have dared to peer further, into the hallway and reception areas of a very dark and unexplored house.”
    “In time, I believe Ireland will discover that there is nothing particularly unique in the Catholic bishop’s bungling attempts to deal with clerical abuse...In fact, I believe that covering up is a typical response to child abuse right across the board, at least until very recently.”
    “Few can accept my next point and, of course, it’s so politically incorrect to make the point, but there is another category of people that will match the failure of the bishops, and probably surpass it; the wives and mothers of Ireland, not exclusively wives and mothers but far too many who failed miserably to deal with the abuse of their children by other family members.”
    “A multitude of people are implicated in this cover-up. I believe it is a significant percentage of the population. Nobody in this once sovereign democratic republic wants to hear this.”
    “Let me conclude by adapting the words of the Taoiseach: there is no shortage of dysfunction, disconnection, elitism and narcissism in the Republic of Ireland 2011, where the rape and torture of children are downplayed or managed, to uphold instead the primacy of the family, the family name, its power, standing and reputation, and where multitudes living in our midst, have turned a blind eye: not my business!”
    “We don’t know it yet, or perhaps we don’t want to know it, but in terms of child abuse the Catholic Church is holding up a mirror to Irish society.”
    “This time Enda Kenny has got to go all the way and all the way is much further than the Vatican!”


    oh yes, he did


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 448 ✭✭Master and commander


    the catholic church and its apparatchicks never fail to amaze with thier delusions. So now the abuse was the fault of the mothers and wives, not of the church.

    sometimes the church's deluded opinions could be compared to the delusional ramblings of Gaddaffi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    I see only one solution really. We decide that paedophilia is socially acceptable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    Their stupidity really does know no bounds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    The same wives and mothers who had such a position of power in this country up until so regualry. Oh wait, what?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Father Banville just didn't know when to stop digging.....

    http://physicsworld.com/blog/Guetamala%20hole.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    The man has a point

    But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

    Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

    Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    mikemac wrote: »
    The man has a point

    But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

    Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

    And exactly how do you think a woman in the 60s, 70s or 80s would have been treated if she wandered down to the garda station to tell them about how her husband was raping their child?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    The point he is making is child abuse has happened in family homes and it was covered up,
    families were ashamed to admit a family member abused a child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    mikemac wrote: »
    The man has a point

    But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

    Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

    Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

    Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

    getthe****outtahere


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    mikemac wrote: »
    The man has a point

    But posters will see his background and won't read past the third line

    Most abuse is committed by family members or close friends of the family in a trusted position

    Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

    No ANY abuser is scum, be they strangers, priests, family members, any single person that abuses anyone, ever is scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭yeppydeppy


    Jesus H. fuppin' Christ, these guys have got some nerve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as priests who covered up for abusers.
    ...........

    I like the cut of your gib. A invitation to the Gentlemans Mysogyny Club is being run past the board - my man will contact your man with the news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized

    Did you read the article?
    not exclusively wives and mothers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    yeppydeppy wrote: »
    Jesus H. fuppin' Christ, these guys have got some nerve. Let me guess, this priest is an elderly man with greying hair.

    that probably now wants his "privacy"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Da_Doc


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    And exactly how do you think a woman in the 60s, 70s or 80s would have been treated if she wandered down to the garda station to tell them about how her husband was raping their child?

    And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mikemac wrote: »
    .................

    Not the bogeyman cruising the streets in the ubiquitous white van

    ...or Popemobile.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    mikemac wrote: »
    Did you read the article?
    Yes.

    Read it again.

    'these people, not just these people, but...'

    Do you see the implication?

    Da_Doc wrote: »
    And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything

    A few friendly suggestions. Take a sociology course, take a psychology course, and do some reading about sexual abuse in childhood and how it tends to carry on, generation after generation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Fr Paddy Banville needs a good kicking!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

    getthe****outtahere

    If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
    Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Da_Doc wrote: »
    And exactly what difference would that make. Hypothetically if it was happening to your child wouldn't you do anything in your power to stop it....and I mean anything

    And that's ridiculous simplistic. What if the wive was herself being abused? I've no doubt that some mothers/wives were complicit in covering up abuse. But are they all to blame in general? No, of course not! The abusers shoulder the vast portion of the blame.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Da_Doc


    Yes, and it's completely invisible to anyone BUT wives and mothers. Everyone else is therefore blameless and only those with vaginas should be demonized as being as bad as those bishops who covered up for hundreds (? thousands?) of priests.

    getthe****outtahere


    Dude he makn the point that the males doin the abuse and the females covering up. Think it the men been demonized more....and if the guilty rightly so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    So it's all the wimmins fault for not reporting the poor catholic priests who couldn't help raping their kids, the cruel wenches! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    hondasam wrote: »
    If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
    Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.
    Same suggestions as above.

    And I'm out of this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Standman wrote: »
    So it's all the wimmins fault for not reporting the poor catholic priests who couldn't help raping their kids, the cruel wenches! :rolleyes:

    Did you actually read it at all, he is on about abuse that happened in the family home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    mikemac wrote: »
    The man has a point
    Yes he has - to steer focus on those in positions of power within the Roman catholic church over to people who had much, much, much less power.

    What a ****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    It would appear misogyny is alive and well on after hours after all - not to mention in the Catholic church (shock horror).

    I'm also out of this thread...I'm sure there is a brick wall I could go bang my head off instead somewhere....it would be more enjoyable and productive


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    hondasam wrote: »
    Did you actually read it at all, he is on about abuse that happened in the family home.
    Ok, times have changed. Women were basically second class citizens back then, men had the power in the home. The same way a priest had the power in the community, but they covered up too. If it happened today, they'd be reported. The issue here is that he's trying to dodge a bullet and move it away from the church and is blaming others.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But why is he saying wives and mothers alone, what about fathers who didn't report or protect their children or are they somehow excluded form responsibly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    hondasam wrote: »
    If a father was abusing his child and his wife/the child's mother knew about it,she should do something about it.
    Any wife/mother who turns a blind eye is just as bad as the abuser.
    No they're not. They're in the wrong too, but only a person who is an abuser is as bad as the abuser.
    Plus, the reasons as to WHY they didn't do something about the abuse should be examined... but I know some people get a hard-on out of apportioning blame without facts.


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