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bigron2109

Hi lads. I’ve. 30w Green Store. One of the bars which is attached from the Griddle rod to the center piece of the Griddle have broken away. I am just wondering would this be a pricey part to get or can it be repaired. Have looked online but can’t seem to see a price for it .

olestoepoke

Hi, we are currently looking to get a boiler stove installed in our home. After several internet searches we can't seem to find any company's that do the boiler stoves, a lot of them just do regular chimney stoves. We live in Dublin in a regular 3 bed semi. Also does anyone have any experience as to the cost? I read that a system link has to be installed. I know this is typically specialised job for a plumber so I am weary of who we hire and want to make sure they know what they are doing. Thanks in advance for your help.

icjzfmq7ewon1t

Hi a quick question. I intend to fit a Stanley Oisin so it sits in under the chimney. What clearance will it need to a block wall either side and top and rear.
Really what I'm asking is what's the minimum size hole in the wall I'll need for to stand in the Oisin. Thanks.

chuck eastwood

Jay Savory Strikeout wrote: »

Hi a quick question. I intend to fit a Stanley Oisin so it sits in under the chimney. What clearance will it need to a block wall either side and top and rear.
Really what I'm asking is what's the minimum size hole in the wall I'll need for to stand in the Oisin. Thanks.

Go to the Stanley site and download the pdf manual. It will give you the minimum clearance for the model you want to fit

chuck eastwood

olestoepoke wrote: »

Hi, we are currently looking to get a boiler stove installed in our home. After several internet searches we can't seem to find any company's that do the boiler stoves, a lot of them just do regular chimney stoves. We live in Dublin in a regular 3 bed semi. Also does anyone have any experience as to the cost? I read that a system link has to be installed. I know this is typically specialised job for a plumber so I am weary of who we hire and want to make sure they know what they are doing. Thanks in advance for your help.

Hi. I installed a Stanley lismore (with boiler) and a system link. A lot of plumbers in the past had said it was over kill to use a pump for each zone but with newer energy efficient wilo pump that are supplied with the system link it's not really an issue anymore. I installed mine before the wiring centre was avaible from system link. Now you can by a complete set up of pumps and wiring controls direct from system link. I swear bu this system but there are other optiind out there.

olestoepoke

chuck eastwood wrote: »

Hi. I installed a Stanley lismore (with boiler) and a system link. A lot of plumbers in the past had said it was over kill to use a pump for each zone but with newer energy efficient wilo pump that are supplied with the system link it's not really an issue anymore. I installed mine before the wiring centre was avaible from system link. Now you can by a complete set up of pumps and wiring controls direct from system link. I swear bu this system but there are other optiind out there.

Hya, thanks for the reply, so did you install this yourself? Are you a plumber? I just want to get an Idea of the cost. Thanks again for your help/reply

boomerangtank

Got a quote to have an old fireplace removed and new stove and hearth installed.
Just wondering about the price for the job we were given especially labor. We have already purchased the stove ourselves.

Removal of existing heath and marble fireplace.
Installation of new Black Limestone Hearth (2 no. slabs).
Installation of Liner with 2 no. 22 deg bends and 1 no. 500 straight flue, along with (if needed) extra 250 straight flue and external cowl.
Installation of block work to take flue pipe work.
Installation of Sherwood free standing stove
Installation of 2 no. Carbon Monoxide Alarms.
Installation of Vent Kit.

Labor ; e650
Materials (Vent Kit, CO Alarms) ; e150
Sand, Cement, Blocks ; e60
Limestone slabs ; e90

Overall Total ; e950

Roen

Mine was 950 and included less than that. Not much of a sample size but seems cheap based on my one experience.
Edit. Does that price include supply of flue liner?

boomerangtank

Roen wrote: »

Mine was 950 and included less than that. Not much of a sample size but seems cheap based on my one experience.
Edit. Does that price include supply of flue liner?

No that price doesn't include the flue liner. We purchased the stove and flue liner plus bends ourselves.

Roen

Right. As I said only working from my experience but looking at the list of stuff you're getting done versus what I got done your job is way more involved.
To balance that my liner was included in the price of install.
Hopefully someone who works at this must give you a better steer.

Forge83

boomerangtank wrote: »

Got a quote to have an old fireplace removed and new stove and hearth installed.
Just wondering about the price for the job we were given especially labor. We have already purchased the stove ourselves.

Removal of existing heath and marble fireplace.
Installation of new Black Limestone Hearth (2 no. slabs).
Installation of Liner with 2 no. 22 deg bends and 1 no. 500 straight flue, along with (if needed) extra 250 straight flue and external cowl.
Installation of block work to take flue pipe work.
Installation of Sherwood free standing stove
Installation of 2 no. Carbon Monoxide Alarms.
Installation of Vent Kit.

Labor ; e650
Materials (Vent Kit, CO Alarms) ; e150
Sand, Cement, Blocks ; e60
Limestone slabs ; e90

Overall Total ; e950

Where are you based?
Hetas qualified installation team?

boomerangtank

Forge83 wrote: »

Where are you based?
Hetas qualified installation team?

Based in Cork and the company are Hetas qualified.

Forge83

boomerangtank wrote: »

Based in Cork and the company are Hetas qualified.

The total of €950 is about right so to be honest.
My breakdown would be slightly different but would end up around €900-€950.

ravendude

Hello.
Question 're. Double sided stoves.

Thinking about installing a double sided stove in an existing double chimney breast, (that has 2 fireplaces backing on to each other). We have builders doing an extension so might get some work done on the chimney to accommodate a double sided insert stove.

The one side of the double sided stove would face our existing sitting room. The other side would face an open plan area comprising kitchen/diner and sunroom.

The open plan area would be nearly 3 times the size of the sitting room.

Would the imbalance likely cause issues whereby the sitting room might be sweltering but the open plan area might not warm enough? Or is it generally possible to control with dampers or vents to some extent?

We are considering a Morso S120 wood burning insert, 10kw nominal. Any feedback on brand etc? Want to get something reliable and reputable.

Also, Would we be better off going multituel in terms of heat output? Storage etc for logs wouldn't be a huge problem.

Thanks for any advice!

Forge83

ravendude wrote: »

Hello.
Question 're. Double sided stoves.

Thinking about installing a double sided stove in an existing double chimney breast, (that has 2 fireplaces backing on to each other). We have builders doing an extension so might get some work done on the chimney to accommodate a double sided insert stove.

The one side of the double sided stove would face our existing sitting room. The other side would face an open plan area comprising kitchen/diner and sunroom.

The open plan area would be nearly 3 times the size of the sitting room.

Would the imbalance likely cause issues whereby the sitting room might be sweltering but the open plan area might not warm enough? Or is it generally possible to control with dampers or vents to some extent?

We are considering a Morso S120 wood burning insert, 10kw nominal. Any feedback on brand etc? Want to get something reliable and reputable.

Also, Would we be better off going multituel in terms of heat output? Storage etc for logs wouldn't be a huge problem.

Thanks for any advice!

You would need to find a model that suits the depth of your opened up fireplace.
Once you know the depth it will narrow down your choice of brand to a select few.

No it’s not really possible to control heat output to each room.

ravendude

Quick question 're. Stovax vs Boru/Henley

Stovax seem to quote nominal and range output, so say a stovax riva 55 and 66 has a nominal output of 8, but a range of 2.5 to 11kw.

On the other hand Boru quote 10KW for a 600i. Henley also have a number of 10kw options,. Stovax tend to top out at 8KW nominal, but not sure if that equates to s bit more.

Just wondering how these actually compare to each other in reality. Should I compare the stovax at 11kw or 8kw to Borus 10kw?

The space is quite large so want some thing that is s decent size. Like the Stovax but really don't want to underside.

ravendude

Forge83 wrote: »

You would need to find a model that suits the depth of your opened up fireplace.
Once you know the depth it will narrow down your choice of brand to a select few.

No it’s not really possible to control heat output to each room.

Thanks a lot for the info. I'd be inclined to rule it out based on your second point.

Forge83

ravendude wrote: »

Quick question 're. Stovax vs Boru...

Stovax seem to quote nominal and range output, so say a stovax riva 55 and 66 has a nominal output of 8, but a range of 2.5 to 11kw.

On the other hand Boru quote 10KW for a 600i.
Just wondering how these actually compare to each other in reality. Should I compare the stovax at 11kw or 8kw to Borus 10kw.

The space is quite large so want some thing that is s decent size

The Boru is also nominal.
If you plan on burning good dry wood buy the Stovax.
If you plan on burning dirty turf or coal but the Boru.
Heat Design Vitae 9kw or 11kw or Henley Faro 600 two others to consider. Saw a new Vitae going cheap on DoneDeal a few days ago.

ravendude

ravendude wrote: »

Quick question 're. Stovax vs Boru/Henley

Stovax seem to quote nominal and range output, so say a stovax riva 55 and 66 has a nominal output of 8, but a range of 2.5 to 11kw.

On the other hand Boru quote 10KW for a 600i. Henley also have a number of 10kw options,. Stovax tend to top out at 8KW nominal, but not sure if that equates to s bit more.

Just wondering how these actually compare to each other in reality. Should I compare the stovax at 11kw or 8kw to Borus 10kw?

The space is quite large so want some thing that is s decent size. Like the Stovax but really don't want to underside.

Just to add to that, the area is 3 rooms (kitchen, diner and sunroom), open plan, nearly 160 cubic metres.

Water John

Looking at that double option too, medium term plan. You could put one or two of those fans on top of the side needing to heat the larger area if the stove is protruding. That may be a bit gimmicky but may work.

Thanks Forge for the detail. Was considering the Boru i600 but will now look at the Stovax. Hope to use wood only.
Ha, looking at snow falling outside here, a cosy fire is very tempting.

ravendude

Forge83 wrote: »

The Boru is also nominal.
If you plan on burning good dry wood buy the Stovax.
If you plan on burning dirty turf or coal but the Boru.
Heat Design Vitae 9kw or 11kw or Henley Faro 600 two others to consider. Saw a new Vitae going cheap on DoneDeal a few days ago.

Thanks for the suggestions. What would be regarded as a high quality brand for multi fuel at that kind of output (10kw)? Looking for something a bit contemporary looking also. Would be happy to pay a bit more for quality and peace of mind, "buy cheap buy twice" and all that.

I saw some Stovax and you could really tell the difference in quality, but as you suggest, they tend to focus more on wood burning as you go up the KW. Same with Morso. How would Aarow compare?

Forge83

ravendude wrote: »

Thanks for the suggestions. What would be regarded as a high quality brand for multi fuel at that kind of output (10kw)? Looking for something a bit contemporary looking also. Would be happy to pay a bit more for quality and peace of mind, "buy cheap buy twice" and all that.

I saw some Stovax and you could really tell the difference in quality, but as you suggest, they tend to focus more on wood burning as you go up the KW. Same with Morso. How would Aarow compare?

To be honest there’s really no bad brands anymore. Everything is decent.
No stove brand really want people burning multi fuel, they want people burning dry wood. It’s not too far away that that is all that will be allowed anyway.
The better quality brands can get away with pushing people towards wood burning so tend to do so. The average quality brands will normally advertise multi fuel just to pull in more customers.

Stovax and Dilusso would be 2 of the best if the model you choose is available with multi fuel kit.
Charnwood, Morso,Dik Geurts would also be highly regarded.
Henley, Heat Design, Hota, Boru would probably offer the best value vs quality.
Stanley and Aarow both good but overpriced for quality.

Muahahaha

Forge have you heard any feedback on the Polish brand Kratki? They seem to be new-ish to Ireland but have a massive range so guessing they are well known on the continent?

Forge83

Muahahaha wrote: »

Forge have you heard any feedback on the Polish brand Kratki? They seem to be new-ish to Ireland but have a massive range so guessing they are well known on the continent?

They are a massive polish brand. They have some great value models.
However most of their models need to be vented which doesn’t suit Irish Chimney’s.
Personally I prefer convection based stoves. I think the Arke is the only one they have.

ravendude

Def leaning towards fully wood burning now.

Are Contura regarded as a good brand?

Forge83

ravendude wrote: »

Def leaning towards fully wood burning now.

Are Contura regarded as a good brand?

Yes fantastic quality.

limnam

We're looking at installing a stove in an existing double chimney breast two fireplaces in two adjacent rooms.


is it possible to remove part of a chimney stack and suspend it somehow over the stove or what would the normal way to install a stove in such a situation?

Water John

Back to back fireplaces, would possibly be a deep base as over 600mm.
I would presume if its a modern block build that they is no support block work between the fireplaces. You would have to work within the limits of the present lintels IWT.

limnam

Water John wrote: »

Back to back fireplaces, would possibly be a deep base as over 600mm.
I would presume if its a modern block build that they is no support block work between the fireplaces. You would have to work within the limits of the present lintels IWT.

Thanks Water


Sorry what's lintels IWT?


Was hoping to do something to support the stack from 1st floor up and have stoe between both adjacent rooms


house is circa 2003

Water John

There is a load bearing lintel over each fireplace to the front, same as over windows and doors. Prestressed concrete slab.
Inset stoves slide in under this. If you have two fireplaces back to back, the two lintels take the load weight of the chimney stack. IWT a stove like Boru 1600 might fit. You'll have to check with the tradesman who'll be installing.