The great big "ask an airline pilot" thread!

funt cucker

Is there an noticeable difference flying an older Airbus/Boeing to a newer one, what I mean is would an A330 from 1998 feel different to a 2010 model? Thrust/flight characteristics etc..I say this because rumor was that EI-ORD was a quirky aircraft and required a lot of maintenance.

I have absolutely no evidence or links for this, is it just hear say?

John_Mc

funt cucker wrote: »

Is there an noticeable difference flying an older Airbus/Boeing to a newer one, what I mean is would an A330 from 1998 feel different to a 2010 model? Thrust/flight characteristics etc..I say this because rumor was that EI-ORD was a quirky aircraft and required a lot of maintenance.

I have absolutely no evidence or links for this, is it just hear say?

Good question. I know Captain Dave used to write about the additional performance you'd get from new engines on his blog so there must be some differences. Would like to hear what the pro's have to say though

smurfjed

I would say as a rough figure completely plucked from the sky that something like 5-10% might get a start

Thats a scary statistic, especially considering that someones house is probably mortgaged against the training costs.
I also wonder how many pilots are out there with 700 hours including 500 paid hours in an airliner, and are unable to get a job.

LeftBase

basill wrote: »

The vast vast majority will never get a rhs on a commercial aircraft.

I think that is a rather harsh generalised statement to make. At any rate it could do with a little specific expansion.

Yes there are a lot of what you might term "carelessly gotten" CPL/IRs earned by people who have not done their homework and assume that they will trot up the steps of an A320/737 straight off their MCC, however there are a lot of people out there who are smart enough to look in to the airline game before they shell out big money and plot a course(or indeed a few possible courses).
Those who throw money at big sausage factories like PTC, FTE and OAA and take out big loans with risky collateral to do so are walking a very dangerous path and can find themselves badly snookered in the end. However those who take the time to look in to training and what comes after have a larger success rate in the long run.
A newly minted CPL/IR must appreciate that regardless of if you get employment or not you must keep flying at least 5 hours a month to keep yourself current. This keeps you frosty for one of the famously short notice sim checks that can happen and keeps the log book moving in the right direction. Those people to appreciate that will have a good chance of making it to a jet's RHS at some stage albeit perhaps not for a couple of years and a few 1000 hours in the book.

basill

Harsh but true, it's the reality. The stats are out there but no one wants to crunch the numbers as they have a fair idea that it makes grim reading. Think also about how many people coming out of the sausage machine that are already a few rungs up the ladder due to networking and contacts. Many jobs are not even advertised at the smaller operators.

TheBoss11

10-15% REALLY!! So there are more less very little pilot jobs out there?

sReq | uTeK

How do I get over my fear of flying, mostly just take off. I need to fly more and see the world don't get me wrong I will fly when pushed to do so and have done on numerous occasions but I just hate the thought of it.

How do you pilots get up for work with no fear and just treat it as an every day job

LeftBase

basill wrote: »

Harsh but true, it's the reality. The stats are out there but no one wants to crunch the numbers as they have a fair idea that it makes grim reading. Think also about how many people coming out of the sausage machine that are already a few rungs up the ladder due to networking and contacts. Many jobs are not even advertised at the smaller operators.

The point I make is that there are people out there who do the work and do the research and for them the odds are much better.

The vast majority of those training at the moment have more money(or access to more money) than sense though!

Curly Judge

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

How do I get over my fear of flying, mostly just take off. I need to fly more and see the world don't get me wrong I will fly when pushed to do so and have done on numerous occasions but I just hate the thought of it.

How do you pilots get up for work with no fear and just treat it as an every day job

Probably won't be of much comfort to you but you should look at the statistics.
Flying is safer than crossing the street.
That said, I think even the most experienced airline Captain must experience a little frisson of anxiety at takeoff or landing.
It's only natural and keeps people on their toes. A little like a good actor going out on stage every night.

Stealthirl

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

How do I get over my fear of flying, mostly just take off. I need to fly more and see the world don't get me wrong I will fly when pushed to do so and have done on numerous occasions but I just hate the thought of it.

Have you gone down the hypnotherapy route ?
Friend of mine was a VERY bad flyer and after the last transatlantic where she was dosed up with Valium and 2 of us had to almost carry her onto the AC she tried it.
I worked very well as we went to Nevada a few weeks ago and she was actually looking forward to the flights and didant take anything.

If you interested i could get the contact info for you ?

LeftBase

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

How do I get over my fear of flying, mostly just take off. I need to fly more and see the world don't get me wrong I will fly when pushed to do so and have done on numerous occasions but I just hate the thought of it.

How do you pilots get up for work with no fear and just treat it as an every day job

If we feared flying we we would never have gotten in to it as a career.

I know myself that growing up I was one of these people who had a less than prominent regard for my own personal safety. I enjoy flight phases like take off and landing and the possible challenges that they involve such as wind, visibility and runway length, layout or characteristics.

basill

There used to be courses running every now and then. You could try giving Simtech a call as they will more than likely know. Might involve a long weekend in the UK now though. Most of it stems from a fear of the unknown and/or lack of control issues. The courses try and demystify flying even down to discussing noises that you are likely to hear etc.

hidinginthebush

Dear pilots, what does the sky look at night from the cockpit? I'd imagine that being that high and potentially that far away from light pollution you'd see some of the clearest skies and stars possible, or is it a case that the instruments / those flashing lights on the wings kill any night vision you'd have?

Starscream25

Hi all, just wondering is there much of a career in aviation that involves flying smaller aircraft and not commercial sized aircraft.also would many Irish aviation graduates find themselves finding jobs abroad and rarely end up coming home?
Also, anyone who completed the integrated course in cork atlantic flight training, how much did it cost in the end? The price listed is 63k.i hear great things about the place, thinking of going up for another flight soon

amen

Considering 450 pax with 20 kgs each, the expected load would be 9,000 kgs, so if the load sheet showed Zero, then the answer would most likely be yes.

Just curious but assuming 747-200 takeoff weight around 300,000kg then missing bags of 9,000kg is approx 3% of the planes weight.

You can really notice that difference in the controls ?

smurfjed

Amen, the original question would the crew notice the anomoly on the weight data, and i said yes. If you are asking from the flying point of view, I asked my boss who has flown the 747 for 32 years so far and he said no.

LeftBase

amen wrote: »

Just curious but assuming 747-200 takeoff weight around 300,000kg then missing bags of 9,000kg is approx 3% of the planes weight.

You can really notice that difference in the controls ?

An aircraft with mechanical control linkages may have a higher control force required at a higher weight and so this would be noticeable at lower weights, however modern airliners have control assistance such as hydraulics to actuate the controls and so the "feel" would be much the same regardless of weight.....however aircraft performance would be noticeable. A full passenger jet will climb much slower than an empty one. When re-positioning an empty aircraft the performance is noticeably different.

IngazZagni

Plus wherever those bags where to be placed on the aircraft it could give you a much more forward or aft centre of gravity meaning the stabiliser trim setting from the load sheet on some aircraft would be wrong. In a worst case scenario if you thought you had a much more forward c of g than in reality and the stab trim was set as such, you could find the nose wheel lifting off during takeoff roll like a feather which would lead to a much higher risk of a tail strike.

amen

thanks for all the answers.

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hidinginthebush wrote: »

Dear pilots, what does the sky look at night from the cockpit? I'd imagine that being that high and potentially that far away from light pollution you'd see some of the clearest skies and stars possible, or is it a case that the instruments / those flashing lights on the wings kill any night vision you'd have?

Yes, it is quite clear when cruising.

Many a night we have dimmed down the flightdeck and instrument lights to get a better look of the stars. The Milky Way can be seen quite easily as well as the constellations. With the help of an app one can also locate the Space Station.

IngazZagni

LeftBase wrote: »

If we feared flying we we would never have gotten in to it as a career.

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Not in my case. While I wouldn't say I feared flying I was apprehensive about flying when I was a kid. It was that slight nervousness that got me to do a lot of research about the aviation industry. With all this extra knowledge as well as playing flight sim I became much more relaxed while flying. So much so that I decided to try and have a career in the industry and I haven't looked back since.

LeftBase

IngazZagni wrote: »

Not in my case. While I wouldn't say I feared flying I was apprehensive about flying when I was a kid. It was that slight nervousness that got me to do a lot of research about the aviation industry. With all this extra knowledge as well as playing flight sim I became much more relaxed while flying. So much so that I decided to try and have a career in the industry and I haven't looked back since.

Well I meant more if I was afraid of flying I would never have become a pilot. As you said there you got over the fear. So we would never be "fearful" in that sense going to work.

IngazZagni

LeftBase wrote: »

Well I meant more if I was afraid of flying I would never have become a pilot. As you said there you got over the fear. So we would never be "fearful" in that sense going to work.

Well yeah but being fearless may not be good either. Having a "fright" every now and then isn't a bad thing. It keeps you focused and alert and prevents complacency from setting in. So of course we're not afraid but we need something to keep us focused.

Tenger

basill wrote: »

There used to be courses running every now and then. You could try giving Simtech a call as they will more than likely know. Might involve a long weekend in the UK now though.......The courses try and demystify flying even down to discussing noises that you are likely to hear etc.

The fear of flying course still run in Dublin...however I have no info on who to contact. I happened to run into the couple who run the courses a few months ago (a psycologists and his ex EI staff wife) I probably should have asked for a card to keep for future use!!!!!

TheBoss11

Any advice for a young aspiring pilot? Ways of financing, how much unemployment ect. Any advice would be grateful

sReq | uTeK

Stealthirl wrote: »

Have you gone down the hypnotherapy route ?
Friend of mine was a VERY bad flyer and after the last transatlantic where she was dosed up with Valium and 2 of us had to almost carry her onto the AC she tried it.
I worked very well as we went to Nevada a few weeks ago and she was actually looking forward to the flights and didant take anything.

If you interested i could get the contact info for you ?

Only coming back to this now thank you for all the replies, it's weird when I'm at cruising its like I'm sitting in my room, I read, watch movies and may as well not be on that plane, it's just that bloody take off, it absolutely terrifies me. Thing is I've flown now about 10-15 times and never had a bad flight.

Thank you all for your replies I just need to start realising pilots want to get there safe and sound just like passengers

Suasdaguna1

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I just need to start realising pilots want to get there safe and sound just like passengers

Quote of the year.

Blisterman

I was thinking this. If a pilot wanted to carry out a terrorist attack, all he'd have to do is fly the plane into something, so are pilots subject to the same restrictions as passengers? For example, are they allowed take nail clippers and liquids on a plane?

Jimmy444

Blisterman wrote: »

I was thinking this. If a pilot wanted to carry out a terrorist attack, all he'd have to do is fly the plane into something, so are pilots subject to the same restrictions as passengers? For example, are they allowed take nail clippers and liquids on a plane?

That's the kind of post that should get you some special attention from our Washington and Cheltenham security friends on the Internet.

crazygeryy

Blisterman wrote: »

I was thinking this. If a pilot wanted to carry out a terrorist attack, all he'd have to do is fly the plane into something, so are pilots subject to the same restrictions as passengers? For example, are they allowed take nail clippers and liquids on a plane?

I think it's a good question and id love to hear the answer to it.