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The great big "ask an airline pilot" thread!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Priority Right


    One big question I think all people who would love to become a pilot want to know is how much Maths is involved in training and how much do you use when flying ?

    Also do you's ever need to use stuff like trigonometry & geometry and all that malarkey which make people fail there leaving cert maths ?

    I'm useless at maths. All through school everyone nagged me about having to do honors maths to be a pilot. I didn't. I'm still useless at maths but can do the calculations needed for flying easy enough. I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as you can add and multiply rapidly in your head and keep a few very simple solutions in your head then you're sorted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭A320


    Multiplying by .8 for fuel is common am i correct???
    Also if was to get an interview for cadetship would i be expected to demonstrate greater technical knowledge of an airbus as im currently a conehead???? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Maths? Rubbish at it. Never really affected me at all. Other than to make the Navigation General exam at tad harder than it should be. :(

    But a good grounding at maths is always a good thing for pilots especially during training.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    scudzilla wrote: »
    When ya do long haul how many day (s) off do ya get on the other side??

    An old school friend of mine used to be a trolley dolley and when he flew to West Coast U.S.A he had 2/3 days off all expenses paid, does this still happen?
    That would depend on the destination I assume. Length of flights, time zone change and indeed airline schedule would affect how long you stay.

    And term all expenses paid is a bit suggestive. If a company sends you away from home they are responsible for your accommodation and providing you with money to buy food.

    Not like the govt ministers charging haircuts and souvenirs to the expense account.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 JOHNEO


    concerning health, apart from having a class 1 and regular checkups, we all know pilots are generally healthy individuals, energetic, self-motivated etc.
    but are there days when, like most, you just feel off, perhaps have a headache from missings a meal, or are tired, perhaps have the snuffles, a cough....do you fly anyway. Does flying in the early days take some getting used to (aside from a hectic rythm). As a pax it can wear you out a bit - is it the same with pilots? If you do get sick is it just the self-motivation and excitement that carries you through ?
    thanks
    johneo


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 787Dreamliner


    xflyer, im interested to know what type of flying you do?? you said in an earlyer post that your not an airline pilot, are you bizjet or something.??:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭swe_fi


    Really interesting to read this. I have a couple of questions if someone can answer:

    On takeoff: how common is it with "tail strike" or close calls and can this occur without passengers noticing it?

    In flight: How far can a plane safely "drop" when it hits an air pocket?

    On landing: Especially when flying in to Ireland where you have a lot of wind / crosswinds (subjectively, in my experience) when the plane comes in for landing and corrections are made up left wing up right wing (for want of a better description), what is the closest the wings-tips are to the ground or what are the tolerances?

    And finally If this makes sense, what is the most technically challenging part of the daily routine (i.e. in preparation or flight)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    As soon as you leave RVSM airspace.

    So is that the legal requirement but then company SOPs might advise only below 10000ft when VFR or when stabilised on approach etc? I've always wondered was the pilot flying allowed to knock off the ap and enjoy flying it to the ground.

    Edit: Glad people are enjoying this thread, nearly 3,000 views in only three days! Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Priority Right


    JOHNEO wrote: »
    concerning health
    If it's anyways bad I never fly. Being in a flightdeck feeling poor is hell. If you need the toilet you have to ask the cabin crew to make sure it's safe. So it's not like you can just dash to it if you have a dodgy stomach/something else. It really isn't worth flying when sick. The company doesn't want you too either.
    swe_fi wrote: »
    Really interesting to read this. I have a couple of questions if someone can answer:

    On takeoff: how common is it with "tail strike" or close calls and can this occur without passengers noticing it?

    In flight: How far can a plane safely "drop" when it hits an air pocket?

    On landing: Especially when flying in to Ireland where you have a lot of wind / crosswinds (subjectively, in my experience) when the plane comes in for landing and corrections are made up left wing up right wing (for want of a better description), what is the closest the wings-tips are to the ground or what are the tolerances?

    And finally If this makes sense, what is the most technically challenging part of the daily routine (i.e. in preparation or flight)?

    Tail strikes are infrequent. They do happen though. A lot of the time the passengers and the pilots might not know about it. But they will get a warning from systems if plane doesn't pressurize itself.

    The tolerances vary wildly depends on the plane. On the airbus we can have around 11ft clearance wingtip to ground and that's alot to play with. On a 747 it's only 4ft. Hence why we can use a bit of wingdown method whereas if you see 747's land in crosswind they usually land sideways into wind and when the wheels are on the ground kick it straight.

    I think getting a perfect profile in decent so it's continuous and you're on idle power for as long as possible then intercepting the glide without leveling off is a nice challenge. In Heathrow it's easy in France or Italy it can be challenging as controllers aren't as good.
    pclancy wrote: »
    So is that the legal requirement but then company SOPs might advise only below 10000ft when VFR or when stabilised on approach etc? I've always wondered was the pilot flying allowed to knock off the ap and enjoy flying it to the ground.

    At or below FL290 we are allowed to disconnect in my company. Most leave it in until near the ILS though as it's mostly just flying in straight lines otherwise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    xflyer, im interested to know what type of flying you do?? you said in an earlyer post that your not an airline pilot, are you bizjet or something.??:)

    Aerial work is what I will say, at the moment. The reason is that I might as well put up my picture and name and address if I was less vague. It's OK when you're part of a big corps of pilots but when you're part of a small group it would be a giveaway. I've had my boss ask me to pull a post on another forum where it was clear who I was. Don't want him looking over my shoulder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    I apologise for my absence these past few days. I had somthing thats needed sorting! ;)

    From a questions directed at me point of view:

    The go around at Logan : if he is flying that close to the runway in the TCA with a 747 is cleared to land he quite frankly deserves to die....:mad:....plus we had a clear visual of what was ahead of us and ATC were more concerned with the wake turb issues than us actually hitting him.

    Disengaging the auto-pilot generally you can do it when you are on the ILS GS if you want to but you may be called to a no tea and biscuits meeting with the heat heads. Usually when I was in command I would disengage at about 300-500 ft on a clear VMC type day. If it was IMC I'd wait until I had the lights confirmed with the FO. This was generally because autoland flare and touchdown could be classed as a type of crash frankly...it isnt the most subtle of manouvers on HAL's part.

    Maths? If you can add and subtract roughly in your head or use a calculator you will have no bother. Most good crews do all the numbers at the gate on the ground. And if any are required in the air the pilot not flying gets the pen and paper and calculator out and punches the numbers. It's really very basic stuff when you get used to it. Best formula to remember is Work = the size of the a/c is directly proportional to the the weight and volume of the paperwork divided by the mental agility of the FO and coffee drinking skills of the Captain! ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 shaneoreillyo


    hello.
    my dream is to be a commercial pilot.
    im in leaving cert at the moment.
    i saw adds for cources in waterford pilot training college and cork atlantic.
    im just wondering which is "better" in terms of having contacts to getting a job after your qualified. i also saw waterford help you aquire loans do atlantic do this if ye know.
    what age is it to start the atpl my neighbours nephew said 21 but my friends brother said 18 they are both pilots so dona how i got different answers.
    oh and im looking air traffic control aswell is it hard to get a job in that sector
    thanks very much in advance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    "air pocket"...aaaahhhh knew someone would mention that soon!!

    Been following the thread but haven't posted yet as had a busy week or so at work. Browsing on the iPad in another hotel room...again!

    ATPL, B777, 7500 hrs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    hello.
    my dream is to be a commercial pilot.
    im in leaving cert at the moment.
    i saw adds for cources in waterford pilot training college and cork atlantic.
    im just wondering which is "better" in terms of having contacts to getting a job after your qualified. i also saw waterford help you aquire loans do atlantic do this if ye know.
    what age is it to start the atpl my neighbours nephew said 21 but my friends brother said 18 they are both pilots so dona how i got different answers.
    oh and im looking air traffic control aswell is it hard to get a job in that sector
    thanks very much in advance

    I'm not allowed bash companies according to the mods. So I will be short and sweet. Go with Atlantic in my opinion....:D...or rather if you were to take atlantic out of that quetion and put another flight school in there I'd pick that one too.

    Catch my drift? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    XWB wrote: »
    I'm not allowed bash companies according to the mods. So I will be short and sweet. Go with Atlantic in my opinion....:D...or rather if you were to take atlantic out of that quetion and put another flight school in there I'd pick that one too.

    Catch my drift? ;)

    With an answer like that you should've been a politician!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Delta Kilo


    Ever carry any celebrities worth mentioning?

    Any memorable days flying or with tough weather?

    What was the best part of your training, and of course the worst?

    Do the simulator checks and medicals ever irritate you, for instance does it seem like a nuisance or are you glad to be able to practice and tune up on the simulator?




  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    Delta Kilo wrote: »
    Ever carry any celebrities worth mentioning?
    Irish Team in '94(and whole rake of fans), Danny Day Lewis, Gary Fitz:D, Bertie, U2
    Any memorable days flying or with tough weather?

    9/11(didnt get airbourne but were doing runs ups when we were oacancelled), weatherwise...45kt crosswind in Boston, 5 foot of snow in O'Hare, Locust in Tererife(that was...yucky...I felt for the the poor coneheads that day) that was IMC actually. And the day on of my Fokker base trainers tried to fly into a CB....a towering one...and it was black:confused:
    What was the best part of your training, and of course the worst?
    Spinning during the hour build...which of course didnt happen and nobody can prove nothin!;) Worst bit....I'd expect any pilot to answer this...ATPL Air Law ground school....I was soooo bored I think my heart may have stopped....


    Do the simulator checks and medicals ever irritate you, for instance does it seem like a nuisance or are you glad to be able to practice and tune up on the simulator?

    The sim checks got a bit boring, but as you rise up the ranks you just spend 90% of it chatting to your examiner. Or saying "gwan gimme another 20kts across the runway!!..I can take it!!":D

    Medicals...good way to chat to other pilots and get a wide perspective on the Irish aviation scene as you sit for hours. Never really was that bothered by the medicals bar the lung capacity test which for class 1 is a bit of an ordeal....i think that's designed to get you panicy and uptight to sim hyperventilating under pressure....after the 30th class one medical I was a seasoned campaigner however! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Lustrum


    Do any of you have a particular plane that you'd love to get typed on and fly? (that just sprung to mind when I saw eatmyshorts is on a 777, I've a mate who wants to have baby 777s someday!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    Delta Kilo wrote: »
    Ever carry any celebrities worth mentioning?

    Any memorable days flying or with tough weather?




    India and the Bay of Bengal anytime during the monsoon. A radar display of red with pockets of yellow. Strap in and punch through!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    Lustrum wrote: »
    Do any of you have a particular plane that you'd love to get typed on and fly? (that just sprung to mind when I saw eatmyshorts is on a 777, I've a mate who wants to have baby 777s someday!)

    The 777's great, but from a flying point of view, give me a 330/340 anyday.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    XWB wrote: »
    Worst bit....I'd expect any pilot to answer this...ATPL Air Law groundschool ;)

    Perf A based on the TriStar....... Jesus wept!!...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Perf A based on the TriStar....... Jesus wept!!...
    Oh no, you brought back a suppressed memory. I'd blanked it. I really had.
    Ever carry any celebrities worth mentioning?
    None worth mentioning, a TV3 newsreader and a couple of radio DJs. Not worth mentioning. Several Dublin Rose contestants! They're worth mentioning.
    Any memorable days flying or with tough weather?
    Yes and yes. With Irish weather there's always an interesting moment or two for those of us who don't get up to FL33. I choose the right to remain silent until I publish my memoirs.
    Medicals...good way to chat to other pilots and get a wide perspective on the Irish aviation scene as you sit for hours.
    Agree on that. For only one day a year, it's amazing who you can meet or meet again. The downside of course is when they find something wrong. :( Also when you find you can no longer read the last line on the eyechart without glasses.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Three questions please -

    1. Why can we never hear what the captain is saying over the tannoy ?

    2. Why does the captain always tell us the height we are flying at, like, in reality, we don't care/means nothing to us, as long as we are still airborne !??

    3. Actually, having thought about it, why does the captain speak to the passengers at all, we never even get to see him/her ! The day of the captain coming around saying hello to everyone is gone i imagine?

    Safe flying, cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Lustrum


    The 777's great, but from a flying point of view, give me a 330/340 anyday.

    Is this because the plane (apparently) flies itself???

    If you have a minute would you mind elaborating? Also which do you prefer, long or short haul?


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭boeingboy


    Interesting thread to say the least.

    I get a mix of short and long haul on my 4 week roster. Prefer LH
    Commute from Dublin usually but now we can operate as from end of October. So I can finally start out of Dub and finish in Dub. Perfect.

    10 days on 10 off. 4 long and 6 sh sectors/month.
    But really longhaul for me is over 10 hours, east coast usa only a shorty as we have no medium.

    B757/B767 Capt. Irish with Irish/FAA Atpl/Atp. 11250 hours. 38 years old

    First Command B727. Best fun ever.

    And the autopilot disconnect. Our SOPs say once out of RVSM. No requirement to be visual. Just extra workload monitorring but regular disconnect downwind if cleared for a visual. Dubs great around Howth at 1700 ft on a 6 mile final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Was on the beer with a couple of British Airways pilots in Yokohama when I was there. :D.

    Got me thinking..I also travel with work as an engineer and I'm just trying to compare the two in terms of lifestyle.

    Firstly with...short-haul...I'd assume you never actually stay in hotels, just fly there and fly back? How many flights/hours a day would be typical for a short-haul pilot? How much days would they get off?

    For long haul...those guys in Japan had five days off between flights. Is this typical (it was a 10-hour flight)? Are they on standby during this time or they have to get five days?

    Also, I am wondering have you ever been flying over and back to the same city over and over for a period of weeks and months, so that you could have two lives in separate cities? Or are you always flying to different cities?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    Turbo prop F/O 1450TT

    Great thread by the way...
    vicwatson wrote: »
    Three questions please -

    1. Why can we never hear what the captain is saying over the tannoy ?

    2. Why does the captain always tell us the height we are flying at, like, in reality, we don't care/means nothing to us, as long as we are still airborne !??

    3. Actually, having thought about it, why does the captain speak to the passengers at all, we never even get to see him/her ! The day of the captain coming around saying hello to everyone is gone i imagine?

    Safe flying, cheers

    Haha - you have to remember when the capt or f/o are talking on the PA system that they hear themselves through the headsets. We have no way of knowing what volume level is in the cabin so the announcements are made at a normal conversational tone.

    You dont need to know the altitude, temp, wind speed, routing, what town you can or cannot see out the window, weather on the ground, time of landing or even that all the crew thank you for flying with us - but its nice to know we think of you guys as more than just SLF:p.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭swe_fi


    Sorry, I had to be the one to ask about air pockets :-)

    Thanks for interesting answers to my previous questions, have a few more if thats ok. Sorry if my questions are mainly about safety, i'm not actually a bad flyer but i love air crash investigation and i am a bit morbid i suppose...

    Has anyone of you had any experience with, flown or flying "non western world" or lesser known planes like Russian, Chinese, Indian etc?

    What is the most common misconception about pilots (that you hear most often)?

    My mate works as a sim technician for a bigger airline (tried a few times, really enjoyed it), he said he would never ever fly a certain airline in china after having trained their pilots, he was genuinely shocked with the standard. Did you ever come across something frightening or worrying like that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Was on the beer with a couple of British Airways pilots in Yokohama when I was there.
    You know that was one of the reasons I wanted to be a pilot, so I could have beers with pilots somewhere exotic like Yokohama. (Please don't disillusion me and say Yokahama is like Luton on a Sunday).
    Also, I am wondering have you ever been flying over and back to the same city over and over for a period of weeks and months, so that you could have two lives in separate cities?
    Yes, I worked in OPs for an airline. One day a woman rang, she was the wife of Captain X. She asked me for the phone number of his flat in Paris. I didn't know being new. She thought I was covering for him. I'm not saying it's prevalent but he had a mistress in Paris. She was hoping to get her to answer the phone. This I found out afterwards.
    What is the most common misconception about pilots (that you hear most often)?
    swe-fi, I think I can answer that despite not being an airline pilot: 'Sure, don't those 'planes fly themselves, nowdays'.

    Oh and swe-fi, please don't mention 'air pockets', no one likes to mention them. It's a sore point. Why only the other day I hit an air pocket, and went into a tailspin, only to plunge uncontrollably thousands of feet. Before the computer took over and flew the 'plane to a controlled landing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭wittymoniker


    pclancy wrote: »
    So is that the legal requirement but then company SOPs might advise only below 10000ft when VFR or when stabilised on approach etc? I've always wondered was the pilot flying allowed to knock off the ap and enjoy flying it to the ground.

    Edit: Glad people are enjoying this thread, nearly 3,000 views in only three days! Cheers.

    You only need an autopilot with altitude hold in RVSM airspace (unless you're on an automatic approach obviously), otherwise the autopilot is an optional extra.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 shaneoreillyo


    alright lads.
    what is the best flight school in ireland.
    the companies are hardly gonna say another place so this is really the only place i can get an honest opinion


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    alright lads.
    what is the best flight school in ireland.
    the companies are hardly gonna say another place so this is really the only place i can get an honest opinion

    Only 3 to my knowledge that go to fATPL. NFC, Atlantic and PTC.

    If I were you I would not go to PTC. The other 2 are good places...depends if you are down south or up north but both of them are good honest organisations who will take care of you!

    PM for more indepth conversation on the matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Great thread by the way...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vicwatson viewpost.gif
    Three questions please -

    1. Why can we never hear what the captain is saying over the tannoy ?

    2. Why does the captain always tell us the height we are flying at, like, in reality, we don't care/means nothing to us, as long as we are still airborne !??

    3. Actually, having thought about it, why does the captain speak to the passengers at all, we never even get to see him/her ! The day of the captain coming around saying hello to everyone is gone i imagine?

    Safe flying, cheers


    Haha - you have to remember when the capt or f/o are talking on the PA system that they hear themselves through the headsets. We have no way of knowing what volume level is in the cabin so the announcements are made at a normal conversational tone.

    You dont need to know the altitude, temp, wind speed, routing, what town you can or cannot see out the window, weather on the ground, time of landing or even that all the crew thank you for flying with us - but its nice to know we think of you guys as more than just SLFtongue.gif.

    Well you should be telling the flight crew to turn up the volume in the cabins ! No point in talking to yourselves cause we can't hear you back here !! Turn it UP !! Otherwise don't talk !!:)

    You should give us more info like the Football results and the likes, it be more interesting than the "run of the mill" information.

    Or maybe belt out a tune or too to keep us entertained? :D:D

    Happy flights !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Another question.

    One can infact use mobile phones in flight right?, So why aren't we allowed?

    Do they really "interfere" with the aircraft communications or.....?

    How do Ryanair provide the service?

    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Another question.

    One can infact use mobile phones in flight right?, So why aren't we allowed?

    Do they really "interfere" with the aircraft communications or.....?

    How do Ryanair provide the service?

    Cheers

    Because there is evidence that they COULD in some circumstances cause bother with nav instruments and so the risk is not taken.

    Airlines use phones that are on a special and have a different means of propagation that doesnt interfere with the a/c operations. The passengers can use these


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Thanks, so how do Ryanair manage it ?

    It is the future - though I personally would not like to see it, it would be very annoying infact !!:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Thanks, so how do Ryanair manage it ?

    It is the future - though I personally would not like to see it, it would be very annoying infact !!:)

    I think that question could be applied to many situations to be honest.

    I am not 100% familier with ryanair's inflight practices, so I could not answer. Do they allow you to use your mobile?


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭boeingboy


    In my company weve had the system since 2006, works well. We can also manage to connect to the Net only over Land.

    We use Verizon Airphone system.

    Ryanair used to use http://www.onair.com
    but its been withdrawn mainly coz of cost.

    Not been totally proven to interfere with nav equipment and no reported incidents but does affect ground stations coz of speed below 8000ft I believe. FCC still ban the use of personal mobiles in US.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    vicwatson wrote: »
    .....why does the captain speak to the passengers at all, we never even get to see him/her ! The day of the captain coming around saying hello to everyone is gone i imagine?......
    Ill answer all 3 with one. The SLF need to hear a human voice to reassure them that its all OK. Giving height, speed, course and weather updates ensure that the F/O doesn't say something stupid on the 'tannoy'

    In relation to the football/golf/tennis/GAA results you can't just announce it as some people may not want to know until they get home or to their recording of it.
    India and the Bay of Bengal anytime during the monsoon. A radar display of red with pockets of yellow. Strap in and punch through!
    I actually saw purple on the wx radar last month, 1st time ever, obviously didn't go near it or the red around it.......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vicwatson viewpost.gif
    Thanks, so how do Ryanair manage it ?

    It is the future - though I personally would not like to see it, it would be very annoying infact !!:)


    I think that question could be applied to many situations to be honest.

    I am not 100% familier with ryanair's inflight practices, so I could not answer. Do they allow you to use your mobile?

    Yes, they charge for using the facility but sure... par for the course with Ryanair, but how come one can use a "mobile" phone whilst airborne anyway...?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vicwatson viewpost.gif
    .....why does the captain speak to the passengers at all, we never even get to see him/her ! The day of the captain coming around saying hello to everyone is gone i imagine?......

    Ill answer all 3 with one. The SLF need to hear a human voice to reassure them that its all OK. Giving height, speed, course and weather updates ensure that the F/O doesn't say something stupid on the 'tannoy'


    I don't think so, as earlier post we cannot hear the voive from the flight deck anyways so...

    Why would the first officer say anything stupid?
    In relation to the football/golf/tennis/GAA results you can't just announce it as some people may not want to know until they get home or to their recording of it.

    Fair point, but a song maybe:)........ it's better than hearing the usual rhetoric from the deck (if one can hear it that is!!). blah blah 37k feet blah blah, it's very minus cold outside, blah, hey cabin crew where's me cuppa cha'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Why would the first officer say anything stupid?
    Anything that's unscripted and off the cuff has the potential to be stupid. The temptation is to try and say something clever or witty. This can and will end in disaster.

    I remember recently turning to my startled passengers and crew and shouting, 'We're going down'. The look of dismay prompted a rapid re-phrasing. 'No, I mean we're landing'.

    Lesson learnt.:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭XWB


    xflyer wrote: »
    Anything that's unscripted and off the cuff has the potential to be stupid. The temptation is to try and say something clever or witty. This can and will end in disaster.

    I remember recently turning to my startled passengers and crew and shouting, 'We're going down'. The look of dismay prompted a rapid re-phrasing. 'No, I mean we're landing'.

    Lesson learnt.:o

    I remember cabin crew announcements for Phil McGee and Les Behan. Raised a chuckle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭Cessna_Pilot


    xflyer wrote: »
    Anything that's unscripted and off the cuff has the potential to be stupid. The temptation is to try and say something clever or witty. This can and will end in disaster.

    And a Captain won't?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Yes, they charge for using the facility but sure... par for the course with Ryanair, but how come one can use a "mobile" phone whilst airborne anyway...?
    I believe the aircraft has a cell network apparatus installed so the mobile phone locks onto to it rather than frantically sending out signals trying to get a reception at 36K feet. The onboard cell system then makes contact with a ground/satellite based receiver station.

    And to response to Cessna Pilot: we have no assurance that the captain won't make a mistake over the PA, but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭A320


    Iv often heard crews mistakenly make announcments over the radio,a big long long one by the virgin atlantic comes to mind!! Cringe!! Ha the replies from other aircraft on frequency are funny!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭scholar007


    Ya know in Top Gun when Tom Cruise slams on the brakes and the persuing fighter just flies by allowing good ol Tom to get on its tail and release the sidewinder - Is that real? - Can it actually be done and if so were WW2 pilots wasting their time trying to shake an enemy fighter off?

    See below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭cuterob


    scholar007 wrote: »
    Ya know in Top Gun when Tom Cruise slams on the brakes and the persuing fighter just flies by allowing good ol Tom to get on its tail and release the sidewinder - Is that real? - Can it actually be done and if so were WW2 pilots wasting their time trying to shake an enemy fighter off?

    See below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

    actually can kind of be done in a harrier using reverse thrust


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    hi,

    great idea for a thread and thanks for answering all the q's pilots.

    1 or two q's I have - sorry if any have been answered before.

    1 - watching some vids of the A380 approach and landing the pilots asked / or stated they would use the full lenght of the runway, is this normal and if so why ?

    2 - why are cabin lights dimmed for take-off and landing ?

    3 - on modern air liners do you manually trim the plane or is this done automatically ?

    4 - why dont they introduce a scales in the undercarrige in order to give an exact takeoff weight to the pilot rather than have him estimate it.

    5 - is there any european airports that are very tricky to fly into ( Salburg maybe )

    lastly - could it rain hard enough to cause engines water issues ?

    I have so many more but I'm half asleep if you dont mind I'll be back !

    thanks again
    Rob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    RobAMerc wrote: »

    5 - is there any european airports that are very tricky to fly into ( Salburg maybe )

    Check this one out, it's Skiathos in Greece, Apparently the runway is so short they have to take off wit a small fuel load and stop off in Italy for a top up!!

    Have any of the pilots here ever flown there??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭cuterob


    RobAMerc wrote: »


    2 - why are cabin lights dimmed for take-off and landing ?

    i think it's to do with being in an emergency situation that the emergency lighting can be seen and people can escape easier


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