What to do if you're bad with women

NyanCat

So being bad with women makes society think of you as a loser but what realy makes peoplethink badly of you is if you do something about it.

I went to an all boys school and nearly all my friends have always been guys so I havnt much experience with the opposite sex. Im not a virgin but Im still useless with them.

So it seems if you are bad with women you have a few options

1. Live with it: Older you get the bigger a loser society will see you as

Result:Loser

2. Nightclubs: I have tried them and any time I come over to a women I get treated bad. like really bad. I have enver been treated so badly in my lifeand I will never let anyone do that to me again.

Result: Doesnt seem to work (maybe if I was good looking I would at least be given a chance)

3.Pick up artist:They have a really bad reputation but upon looking it up some of it seems like it might work. Not like I have much to lose.
Result:Might work but if anyone found out then they wouldthink you
are yet again a Loser

4. Hang out with people who are good with women:I knew 1 person who was good with women but he was scum. So it seems being a good person is not a requirement to get women but if you can't get a girl then society will still think yourea freak.
Result: If you found the right role modelthis might work but I havnt got one.

5.Hobbies/clubs:This is what people recommend but I think this one is the one truely loser one.If I am doing a hobby it's because I love doing it,not to meet women. I will never take up a hobby just to meet women.Thats what a real loser would do. I enjoy sports/nerdy things and never meet women.
Result: Loser

6.Prostitution: When I getlonely this seems like it would tide me over but it'snot what I wan't. From the other thread apparently lot'sof people will think Im a loser or a bad person fordoing this too.
Result:Loser

7. Become rich/trophy wife:
Having your wife not really care about you would be depressing.Not to mention she might be cheating on you.
Result: Depressing

Do any of you consider yourselves good with women or know somone who is?

What would you do if you were bad with women? Would you try improve or just accept it?

I am smart, athletic, succesfull at almost everything I put mymind to. If I had probems with any other areaof my life I would be able to seek help and not be judged. Unfortunately this is the area of my life I have trouble with.The one area where help that works is unavailable or seeking help makes you a pariah.

Zillah

NyanCat wrote: »

5.Hobbies/clubs:This is what people recommend but I think this one is the one truely loser one.If I am doing a hobby it's because I love doing it,not to meet women. I will never take up a hobby just to meet women.Thats what a real loser would do. I enjoy sports/nerdy things and never meet women.
Result: Loser

It is hilarious that you slam the only good idea the hardest.

tallus

You could try fixing that space bar, I hear women hate incorrect spacing.

The King of Moo

I think one of the important things lots of women look for in a man is confidence, without going too far into cockiness.

If you don't feel too confident, try to increase your confidence, or simply try to appear to be confident.

There's a good chance pretending to be confident will actually make you feel confident after a while, and it should increase your appeal with the ladies.

galwayrush

Women like bad men....

Crann na Beatha

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LiamIRL82

If you don't have money women don't want to know you.

talla10

Bad with women?

Get good with men??

Or else try Copper Face Jacks

KittyeeTrix

The view of some blokes here in AH is that you blame the women:eek:

galwayrush

The King of Moo wrote: »

I think one of the important things lots of women look for in a man is confidence, without going too far into cockiness.If you don't feel too confident, try to increase your confidence, or simply try to appear to be confident.

There's a good chance pretending to be confident will actually make you feel confident after a while, and it should increase your appeal with the ladies.

So, does size matter ?...How far in is too far?:pac:

Bullseye1

Just realise some women are just as nervous as some men when it comes to interacting with the opposite sex. They are not some holy grail.

The King of Moo

galwayrush wrote: »

So, does size matter ?...How far in is too far?:pac:

Well women do like to go into cockiness a bit. The usual rule of thumb is till it hurts :pac:

elefant

First you get the money
Then Power
Then Women.



Alternatively, you can start with sugar.

IsMiseLisa

Just go up and talk to a girl - about anything: music, telly, hobbies, whatever.

She's not gonna kick you in the face for talking to her. :P

Larianne

I think the main problem is guys think girls are some type of mythical beings or aliens. We're not that different!

I think you need to work on your confidence in general and then start conversing with the ladies. Speak to people every where you go- at the bus stop, in the newsagent. Get used to talking to people.

Gym it up and join a club.

I also think if you are around a confident person you can pick up tips on how to interact with people. I was quite shy and it was only when I saw how an outgoing boyfriend interacted with people, I learnt how to be more confident myself.

Also, nightclubs is just a no no for meeting girls. I wouldn't even bother!

mattjack

galwayrush wrote: »

So, does size matter ?...How far in is too far?:pac:

size ? till the lightbulb burns your arse

Ulysses Gaze

5.Hobbies/clubs:This is what people recommend but I think this one is the one truely loser one.If I am doing a hobby it's because I love doing it,not to meet women. I will never take up a hobby just to meet women.Thats what a real loser would do. I enjoy sports/nerdy things and never meet women.
Result: Loser

Your best bet is this one. Not just to 'meet' women, but new people.

Friend of mine took up salsa dancing. Now he couldn't dance to save his life beforehand. He met so many cool people from all over the world - people he's still mates with today. He also met his now significant other there.

He never set out to 'meet' a woman - just to try something new as he was in a rut socially and fed up with the work to pub to club grind his life had become.

Greentopia

First of all get rid of the awful pernicious, meaningless and trite American idea of classifying people as either Winners or Losers in life. It's BS. There's no such thing and it'll only further damage your self-esteem if you see yourself as a 'Loser'.

Second-why do you dismiss hobbies and sports as a way of meeting women? It's not to say you do these things solely with the intention of meeting women but it is a good way if you use that opportunity.
And if there are no women you fancy in the clubs or hobbies you partake in why not take up a new one? You call yourself nerdy but there are nerdy women too who will have similar interests to yourself. You just have to go out there and find them.

And I know it can be tough if you've had a few knock backs but don't dismiss meeting women in pubs (whatever about the meat markets of clubs).

Unfortunately because of the nature of socialising in this country it's where most people seem to meet but why not go for a few drinks (assuming you drink) with your mates (don't get pissed!) and approach someone you like in a friendly and confident manner-not sleazy or desperate, women run a mile from that!
Ask them about themselves, be relaxed and interested in her. If she knocks you back out of hand she wasn't worth it in the first place and just move on. Don't reproach yourself.

Marty McFly

Larianne wrote: »

I think the main problem is guys think girls are some type of mythical beings or aliens. We're not that different!

I think you need to work on your confidence in general and then start conversing with the ladies. Speak to people every where you go- at the bus stop, in the newsagent. Get used to talking to people.

Gym it up and join a club.

I also think if you are around a confident person you can pick up tips on how to interact with people. I was quite shy and it was only when I saw how an outgoing boyfriend interacted with people, I learnt how to be more confident myself.

Also, nightclubs is just a no no for meeting girls. I wouldn't even bother!

+1 on all of this.

Op I also went to an all boys school which I did feel hampered me with women for a while aswell as I did treat them like some mythical creatures but only because I just knew socialising with men, when really most men and women when it boils down to it arent very different at all. So like above just go out and get used to talking to women in everyday situations and with that youll find yourself becoming more at ease and confident around women.

Bipolar Joe

Like everyone is saying, hobbyist type stuff is really your best bet. Think about it, you already know that the two of you have something in common. The thing with geeky stuff is generally a chick will be the only one there, and as a result will have every dude hanging off her. Geeky chicks are the holy grail to nerds like us, man, I know it. I don't recommend as such asking one of them out, because I know it happens all the damn time, but that girl could be an in to other ladies who might share the same interests who don't have time for hobbyist activities.

John Doe1

have a **** and wallow in self pity?

sorry im not good at this..

Snakeblood

Have you tried shouting?

ToddyDoody

Do you consider yourself good with women or know someone who is? This guy is good with women, tho i dont think he'll be any help you op. (just seems uncanny) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Federline

py2006

NyanCat wrote: »

2. Nightclubs: I have tried them and any time I come over to a women I get treated bad. like really bad. I have enver been treated so badly in my lifeand I will never let anyone do that to me again.

Sorry but this doesn't happen! You are completely making it up. Your a typical drunk, sexist lout making generalisations about Irish women! :rolleyes:







ehem

paulosham

You could try talking to them.

stimpson

You just need a good ice-breaker to put them at their ease. That way they'll be more responsive to you. A good one to try is:

"Does this smell like chloroform to you?"

opinion guy

OP its this simples.

Step1:
Take up one or more hobbies that you a) enjoy and b) have women at it.

Dancing is a great one for meeting women. And because you are at a dance thingy you have an automatic subject for discussion/ice breaker

Step2:
Practice. Talk to lots of women and any and all opporunity. Don't expect to get anywhere - that is NOT the point. The point is to practice talking to people, particularly women you find attractive to get better at it. You will SUCK at it at first. It WILL be embarassing. But over time -and I mean months to a year or two you will get better and better at it. You won't even notice at first. Next time you are out set yourself a target. You will strike up conversation with 5 attractive women that night with the pure aim of practicing talking to them. You are NOT to try and hook up with them but to talk to them for a couple of minutes or longer. If they blank you, or dismiss you straight off it doesn't count - you have to find another one. Try different approaches. Watch other friends who are good at this and do what they do. Practice makes perfect

Greentopia

Larianne wrote: »

I think the main problem is guys think girls are some type of mythical beings or aliens. We're not that different!

I think you need to work on your confidence in general and then start conversing with the ladies. Speak to people every where you go- at the bus stop, in the newsagent. Get used to talking to people.

Gym it up and join a club.

I also think if you are around a confident person you can pick up tips on how to interact with people. I was quite shy and it was only when I saw how an outgoing boyfriend interacted with people, I learnt how to be more confident myself.

Also, nightclubs is just a no no for meeting girls. I wouldn't even bother!

All sound advice.
I was very shy too when I was younger-still am a bit- and felt I didn't know how to talk to guys and I'd clam up if one of them approached me, but experience of just meeting more people and being friendly and receptive and not worrying to much about how I'm perceived by others made me more relaxed and confident.

I came to understand as you've said that we're not actually that different at all. I know it's a terrible cliche but the best thing is to really just be yourself, as relaxed and confident as you can be even if you don't feel it on the inside.

I think being a good active listener is important too. Focus on what the person is saying to you, don't just wait for a chance to jump in with your own opinions.

I agree with your assesment of nightclubs too. I always hated them and never formed any meaningful relationships with anyone I met there.

NyanCat

paulosham wrote: »

You could try talking to them.

See this pretty much sums up the reaction people give those bad with women. Just because I am bad with women does not mean I am some unclean, uncouth knuckle dragger who can't string two words together.

I manage people for a living and I am very good at it (I work in a virtually all male work environment though I work managing programmers). Yes I have an unattractive face but I am not the stereotypical skinny nerd.

opinion guy wrote: »

OP its this simples.

Step1:
Take up one or more hobbies that you a) enjoy and b) have women at it.

Dancing is a great one for meeting women. And because you are at a dance thingy you have an automatic subject for discussion/ice breaker

Step2:
Practice. Talk to lots of women and any and all opporunity. Don't expect to get anywhere - that is NOT the point. The point is to practice talking to people, particularly women you find attractive to get better at it. You will SUCK at it at first. It WILL be embarassing. But over time -and I mean months to a year or two you will get better and better at it. You won't even notice at first. Next time you are out set yourself a target. You will strike up conversation with 5 attractive women that night with the pure aim of practicing talking to them. You are NOT to try and hook up with them but to talk to them for a couple of minutes or longer. If they blank you, or dismiss you straight off it doesn't count - you have to find another one. Try different approaches. Watch other friends who are good at this and do what they do. Practice makes perfect

Now this is a start but tbh all the advise I get is common sense. I know the common sense stuf, what I dont know is the little nuances that people who women go crazy for do. I am already way behind and need to catch up. I might in time do okay but I dont want to do okay. I want to do great. I want to know I am showing my best self to the world and am the kind of guy a girl would love to get with.

I think a good start would be for me to get into great shape and to see what I can do about my face. Even if appearance isnt everything It will certainly help me get my foot in the door and not get shot down straight away. (Interestingly enough it would also help in otehr ways, attractive people are more likely to get promoted, could be the best career move I make)

Bipolar Joe

Dude, you and I, we didn't hear the starting gun when it went off at the beginning of the race. Work with what you have.

The King of Moo

NyanCat wrote: »

Now this is a start but tbh all the advise I get is common sense. I know the common sense stuf, what I dont know is the little nuances that people who women go crazy for do. I am already way behind and need to catch up. I might in time do okay but I dont want to do okay. I want to do great. I want to know I am showing my best self to the world and am the kind of guy a girl would love to get with.

I think a good start would be for me to get into great shape and to see what I can do about my face. Even if appearance isnt everything It will certainly help me get my foot in the door and not get shot down straight away. (Interestingly enough it would also help in otehr ways, attractive people are more likely to get promoted, could be the best career move I make)

Unfortunately I don't think there's really a quick fix, especially if you want a natural reaction from women.

There's been lots of good advice about taking up hobbies, joining clubs and boosting your confidence I'd second.

Just don't rush it, allow yourself to gradually increase your confidence and comfort around women.

And I wouldn't focus too much on your appearance.
A relaxed sense of self-confidence is probably more important, it just might take time to build up.

But it works, just look at Serge Gainsbourg, Henry Kissinger or any of the not-so-physically-attractive men who've had great love lives.

Bipolar Joe

The King of Moo wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't think there's really a quick fix, especially if you want a natural reaction from women.

There's been lots of good advice about taking up hobbies, joining clubs and boosting your confidence I'd second.

Just don't rush it, allow yourself to gradually increase your confidence and comfort around women.

And I wouldn't focus too much on your appearance.
A relaxed sense of self-confidence is probably more important, it just might take time to build up.

But it works, just look at Serge Gainsbourg, Henry Kissinger or any of the not-so-physically-attractive men who've had great love lives.

[Comment about money].

Richard Hillman

How about getting that chip off your shoulder, that might help.

Instictively males go for the healthiest looking females because they have a better chance of raising your young. For females they want the strongest alpha male to look after them and their young. Its the circle of life, you just have to accept nature. So option 1 would be the best bet if you really want to make a big deal about it.

Marty McFly

It doesnt all boil down to looks, many a time ive been attracted to people who I normally wouldnt be and when i look back on it i dont know how I ever was, and im sure its the same way for some the women ive been with, looks are an important part but form most people love can be blind if you really connect with someone and feel the spark as they say.

Also as long as you keep talking about your lack of facial looks your never going to get anywhere if you dont believe in yourself no one else is going to. Just start believing in yourself and that what you have to offer is good enough for any woman.

The King of Moo

Oh, and don't pressure yourself into striving too hard to become an absolute ladykiller.

Very few men are really like that and I don't think a lot of women truly like a guy like that. Not in a serious way.

I think I'm fairly comfortable with women, but I maintain a slight geeky, bumbling confusion about me at times, which I like to think (entirely my own opinion!) lends me a quirky charm.

Don't expect perfection.

Try to be yourself, but more importantly, be happy and comfortable with yourself.

dirtypanties

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Like everyone is saying, hobbyist type stuff is really your best bet. Think about it, you already know that the two of you have something in common. The thing with geeky stuff is generally a chick will be the only one there, and as a result will have every dude hanging off her. Geeky chicks are the holy grail to nerds like us, man, I know it. I don't recommend as such asking one of them out, because I know it happens all the damn time, but that girl could be an in to other ladies who might share the same interests who don't have time for hobbyist activities.

My Husband is a total nerd....Adds to his appeal IMO-There must be more women like me out there that like geek chic (+hopefully they will have clean panties;))

Don't give up OP-you never know who you might meet tomorrow/next week/next year:)

fonecrusher1

OP when talking to girls you should maintain an eerie unending stare as shes yapping away at you. Throw in an occasional nod & say yeah i know... Keep staring even after she has left your company. Just keep doing this till your asked to leave the bar/club. Do the same in the taxi home & keep doing it till you fall asleep....

.......hold on what was the question?

wolf moon

LiamIRL82 wrote: »

If you don't have money women don't want to know you.

-

jimpump

NyanCat wrote: »

So being bad with women makes society think of you as a loser but what realy makes peoplethink badly of you is if you do something about it.

I went to an all boys school and nearly all my friends have always been guys so I havnt much experience with the opposite sex. Im not a virgin but Im still useless with them.

So it seems if you are bad with women you have a few options

1. Live with it: Older you get the bigger a loser society will see you as

Result:Loser

2. Nightclubs: I have tried them and any time I come over to a women I get treated bad. like really bad. I have enver been treated so badly in my lifeand I will never let anyone do that to me again.

Result: Doesnt seem to work (maybe if I was good looking I would at least be given a chance)

3.Pick up artist:They have a really bad reputation but upon looking it up some of it seems like it might work. Not like I have much to lose.
Result:Might work but if anyone found out then they wouldthink you
are yet again a Loser

4. Hang out with people who are good with women:I knew 1 person who was good with women but he was scum. So it seems being a good person is not a requirement to get women but if you can't get a girl then society will still think yourea freak.
Result: If you found the right role modelthis might work but I havnt got one.

5.Hobbies/clubs:This is what people recommend but I think this one is the one truely loser one.If I am doing a hobby it's because I love doing it,not to meet women. I will never take up a hobby just to meet women.Thats what a real loser would do. I enjoy sports/nerdy things and never meet women.
Result: Loser

6.Prostitution: When I getlonely this seems like it would tide me over but it'snot what I wan't. From the other thread apparently lot'sof people will think Im a loser or a bad person fordoing this too.
Result:Loser

7. Become rich/trophy wife:
Having your wife not really care about you would be depressing.Not to mention she might be cheating on you.
Result: Depressing

Do any of you consider yourselves good with women or know somone who is?

What would you do if you were bad with women? Would you try improve or just accept it?

I am smart, athletic, succesfull at almost everything I put mymind to. If I had probems with any other areaof my life I would be able to seek help and not be judged. Unfortunately this is the area of my life I have trouble with.The one area where help that works is unavailable or seeking help makes you a pariah.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

reading this has givin me the best laugh in a long long time

thanks OP

Eve_Dublin

Right OP, I think I'm a good bit older than you and I'm going to give you some advice as someone whose been chatted up a fair bit in her life (most women have been by the time they hit 31) and this is what I found got my attention (disclaimer: I'm nice to ALL men approach me unless they're out and pricks...)

- See the very hot chick in the corner with the big, grumpy face on her who think she's the hottest woman in the bar and has a few men hovering around her trying to pluck up the courage to talk to her? Chances are, she's not going to talk to you. She's going to be a wagon if you talk to her and possibly rude. See the other good-looking girl whose laughing and has a big, open face and doesn't seem so full of herself but perhaps is not the first woman you'd clap your eyes on when you walk into the bar? She's your best bet.

Classic mistake of many men: approaching ht women who are so obviously bitches and have a million men vying for their attention. I can spot them a mile off...why can't you?

I know not to approach the man in a Rugby jersey waving his willy about in a bar...why can't men spot the female equivalent???

- Be cool, be friendly and listen. Ask questions. We love a man who is interested in what we have to say and not just our boobage. Be genuinely interested in her. If you're not GENUINELY interested in what she has to say, make your excuses and leave. We know if a man is being sincere or just trying to get into our knickers. We've had years of experience of it and we might be slightly/very hostile if you continue on with this insincerity just because we've our baps out.

- Don't take yourself so seriously. Work on your sense of humour and relax. Women LOVE funny men. If you don't see her laughing at your jokes, you've got a humour clash. Move on. Make your jokes and stories inclusive. Find common ground for things to laugh about. If she doesn't click with your humour, bite the bullet and leave. It's going nowhere. Keep your dignity and move on.

- Low self-esteem in not an attractive trait in either gender. We all suffer from it now and then and some more than others. Don't go in with the frame of mind that she's out of your league. You don't know that and really, these league tables are subjective. We can sense if a man is unsure of himself. You're as good as anyone...this girl might not be the one for you but that doesn't make you any less of a person, it just means you don't click. Sad fatc for both genders that the person you fancy doesn't always fancy you back. Finding someone is not easy but don't discount the process before you even started.

I've met most of my exes in bars...not Copper Face Jacks style bars but bars around the Camden area when I lived in Dublin. Relaxed and with people who are open to talking to randomers...or at least they were when I lived there.

-My biggest piece of advice is approach approachable girls. If you approach someone who clearly doesn't want to be approached then you do so at your own risk and you'll be on here complaining about what a bunch of wagons we all are I know the men I shouldn't go near so I don't and I've had no problems. Use your gut instinct. Does she seem nice and approachable? Have you made a bit of eye contact prior to the advances? Don't think only with your dick or you'll get burned....we know the deal.

Good luck!

opinion guy

NyanCat wrote: »

Now this is a start but tbh all the advise I get is common sense. I know the common sense stuf, what I dont know is the little nuances that people who women go crazy for do. I am already way behind and need to catch up. I might in time do okay but I dont want to do okay. I want to do great. I want to know I am showing my best self to the world and am the kind of guy a girl would love to get with.

I think a good start would be for me to get into great shape and to see what I can do about my face. Even if appearance isnt everything It will certainly help me get my foot in the door and not get shot down straight away. (Interestingly enough it would also help in otehr ways, attractive people are more likely to get promoted, could be the best career move I make)

If its common sense then try applying it.
If you want to be good then practice.
If you want to be great then practice alot more.
There are no 'little nuances who people who women go crazy for do'
There is not magic bullet for those.
Just time and practice

Getting into shape can help but its necessary.
Er - what can you do about your face ? That seems off topic. And frankly you are dodging the issue - which is to build confidence in your conversational skills with women. Even if you go off see a surgeona nd come back looking like Brad Pitts younger brother you are still going to have to learn the conversation stuff.

You may not want to hear it - but its all about time and practice - as pretty much anything else is in life. There isn't a magic bullet

WallyGUFC

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Just realise some women are just as nervous as some men when it comes to interacting with the opposite sex. They are not some holy grail.

"Never put the pussy on a pedastal!"

What film is that again?

Bipolar Joe

WallyGUFC wrote: »

"Never put the pussy on a pedastal!"

What film is that again?

Breakfast At Tiffany's.

BBDBB

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Right OP, I think I'm a good bit older than you and I'm going to give you some advice as someone whose been chatted up a fair bit in her life (most women have been by the time they hit 31) and this is what I found got my attention (disclaimer: I'm nice to ALL men approach me unless they're out and pricks...)

- See the very hot chick in the corner with the big, grumpy face on her who think she's the hottest woman in the bar and has a few men hovering around her trying to pluck up the courage to talk to her? Chances are, she's not going to talk to you. She's going to be a wagon if you talk to her and possibly rude. See the other good-looking girl whose laughing and has a big, open face and doesn't seem so full of herself but perhaps is not the first woman you'd clap your eyes on when you walk into the bar? She's your best bet.

Classic mistake of many men: approaching ht women who are so obviously bitches and have a million men vying for their attention. I can spot them a mile off...why can't you?

I know not to approach the man in a Rugby jersey waving his willy about in a bar...why can't men spot the female equivalent???

- Be cool, be friendly and listen. Ask questions. We love a man who is interested in what we have to say and not just our boobage. Be genuinely interested in her. If you're not GENUINELY interested in what she has to say, make your excuses and leave. We know if a man is being sincere or just trying to get into our knickers. We've had years of experience of it and we might be slightly/very hostile if you continue on with this insincerity just because we've our baps out.

- Don't take yourself so seriously. Work on your sense of humour and relax. Women LOVE funny men. If you don't see her laughing at your jokes, you've got a humour clash. Move on. Make your jokes and stories inclusive. Find common ground for things to laugh about. If she doesn't click with your humour, bite the bullet and leave. It's going nowhere. Keep your dignity and move on.

- Low self-esteem in not an attractive trait in either gender. We all suffer from it now and then and some more than others. Don't go in with the frame of mind that she's out of your league. You don't know that and really, these league tables are subjective. We can sense if a man is unsure of himself. You're as good as anyone...this girl might not be the one for you but that doesn't make you any less of a person, it just means you don't click. Sad fatc for both genders that the person you fancy doesn't always fancy you back. Finding someone is not easy but don't discount the process before you even started.

I've met most of my exes in bars...not Copper Face Jacks style bars but bars around the Camden area when I lived in Dublin. Relaxed and with people who are open to talking to randomers...or at least they were when I lived there.

-My biggest piece of advice is approach approachable girls. If you approach someone who clearly doesn't want to be approached then you do so at your own risk and you'll be on here complaining about what a bunch of wagons we all are I know the men I shouldn't go near so I don't and I've had no problems. Use your gut instinct. Does she seem nice and approachable? Have you made a bit of eye contact prior to the advances? Don't think only with your dick or you'll get burned....we know the deal.

Good luck!

OI! I dont always wear the rugby jersey you know:p

ToddyDoody

NyanCat wrote: »

I might in time do okay but I dont want to do okay. I want to do great. I want to know I am showing my best self to the world and am the kind of guy a girl would love to get with.

i'm no expert but be happy with small bits of progress if you can and dont be too disappointed by setbacks at first. Note that only 7% of communication is conveyed through words. The rest is body language (e.g. the dancefloor) and intonation of voice (e.g. Music) pay some attention to these forms of communication so that you become more pleasing to women. It may be that you dont have much practice in the body language and intonation areas due to the way communication at work is more focussed on the content of what you say (i.e. The words used) so awareness and practice may be required here.

Eve_Dublin

BBDBB wrote: »

OI! I dont always wear the rugby jersey you know:p

Rugby jersey is grand (although I don't go for that type generally), it's the willy out. Sorry, it's a reference to a personal incident...him and his mates treated women like crap and the women would be moaning about it the following day and they'd also make fun of women they didn't think were hot but...Jaysus women...are you fecking surprised?

--LOS--

forget all the man code/woman code BS, are you good with people in general? Its not like women are all that different.

chicken fingers

Greentopia wrote: »

First of all get rid of the awful pernicious, meaningless and trite American idea of classifying people as either Winners or Losers in life.=

Thats loser talk right there!
About 20% of people are winners, most are nobodies or losers! Theres a clear divide.

mattjack

WallyGUFC wrote: »

"Never put the pussy on a pedastal!"

What film is that again?

101 dalmatians

Greentopia

chicken fingers wrote: »

Thats loser talk right there!
About 20% of people are winners, most are nobodies or losers! Theres a clear divide.

Uh-huh :rolleyes: young and inexperienced in life or just winding me up...that's the question.
I rather think you've been taken in too much by the American model of selfish individualistic pursuit of materialistic profit and gain at the expense of everything else if you really believe what you write.

I'm going to assume you're young and don't have much wisdom about life yet so I won't be too hard on you, but seriously it's artibrary and meaningless nonsense that focuses only on the futile pursuit of status and acquisition that leads only to so much unhappyness, waste, discontent and depression.

And winners at what? losers at what?

Just because someone has lots of money or a big house/car does NOT make them so-called Winners. It just means they prioritise material gain.
People like that are often self-serving egotistical prats in my experience who think nothing of stepping on others or using them to get what they want. That makes them failures as human beings in my book.

BTW I read a U.K. report a while ago that says that 25% of top business leaders have sociopathic tendencies.
Yeah, real winners huh? :rolleyes:

The only important things in life are things like- what kind of person are you- do you treat others well, are you a good, decent, kind, giving and loving person, do you first seek to do not harm to man or animal. Those are the only true "winners" in this world. How much money or 'stuff' a person has is really truly not important in this life.
Having 'enough' is enough.

Sorry /OT

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