Kazakhstan people are smarter than Irish people.

Broads.ie

Also, the Vietnamese are smarter than us. As are the Armenians, Ukrainians, and Mongolians.

At least we're smarter than Somalia.

Linky

It seems we're the dumbest in Western Europe.

Revolution9

In before Borat reference

hondasam

Are they on Boards.ie?
Do they post in AH?

chucken1

Broads.ie wrote: »

Also, the Vietnamese are smarter than us. As are the Armenians, Ukrainians, and Mongolians.

At least we're smarter than Somalia.

Linky

It seems we're the dumbest in Western Europe.

Annnnnnndd? What are you trying to say?

The Internet Explorer

The Mongolians are a great bunch of lads.

Killer Pigeon

So according to this, the average person in Equatorial Guinea is mentally retarded. Interesting. In fairness, 92 for Ireland is pretty bad. We have the lowest IQs in Western Europe. FFS, even the Americans have higher IQs than us.

chucken1

Broads.ie wrote: »

Also, the Vietnamese are smarter than us. As are the Armenians, Ukrainians, and Mongolians.

At least we're smarter than Somalia.

Linky

It seems we're the dumbest in Western Europe.

People from Kazakhstan are called Kazakhs BTW

batistuta9

The Internet Explorer wrote: »

The Mongolians are a great bunch of lads.

They always knock down my wall though



Irish people have a over inflated belief that they are actually smart compared to people from other countries

Super-Rush

You do realise that table is 6 years old or are you trying to be funny?

dsmythy

Broads.ie wrote: »

Also, the Vietnamese are smarter than us. As are the Armenians, Ukrainians, and Mongolians.

At least we're smarter than Somalia.

Linky

It seems we're the dumbest in Western Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#Criticism

PseudoFamous

It's handy being half Danish and half Irish. In this sort of thing, I can take the high ground and suddenly be 15 IQ points smarter by calling myself Danish, and when people call Danish dull and sensible, I can instantly become the life of the party by calling myself Irish. Amazing, really.

stealinhorses

The UK is surprisingly high on that list, considering its population and general trends in education. Not shocked about Ireland's position at all on that list.

Son Of A Vidic

Broads.ie wrote: »

It seems we're the dumbest in Western Europe.

'Seems' you say? Which is nothing more that a matter of individual perception. Perception and reality are not the same thing. Likewise, Wikepedia and reality are quite often not the same thing.

amacachi

This is a perfect case of when correlation does mean causation. Just the other way around from what's suggested by Lynn.

chucken1

super-rush wrote: »

You do realise that table is 6 years old or are you trying to be funny?

Ah come on..its a new person,be nice.

hondasam

super-rush wrote: »

You do realise that table is 6 years old or are you trying to be funny?

You think we could be further down the list or nearer the top?

Broads.ie

Hey... I know somebody directed me to the criticism section of the Wiki article. I already read it and I know the methodology is dodgy. But just discuss it anyways to fcuk and stop attacking me.

Super-Rush

Broads.ie wrote: »

Hey... I know somebody directed me to the criticism section of the Wiki article. I already read it and I know the methodology is dodgy. But just discuss it anyways to fcuk and stop attacking me.

I'm not attacking you, i'm just stating that your link isn't the most reliable thing i've seen.

hondasam

Broads.ie wrote: »

Hey... I know somebody directed me to the criticism section of the Wiki article. I already read it and I know the methodology is dodgy. But just discuss it anyways to fcuk and stop attacking me.

Well if that is your attitude I'm going to bed. nite

PseudoFamous

hondasam wrote: »

You think we could be further down the list or nearer the top?

If we did selective sampling, like France, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany, we would be much higher up. I believe we had a wide scale sample (As did the UK and Canada) in which 1000+ kids were sampled, along with a few hundred adults, whereas the countries listed above had a much more selective testing done (Less than 50 subjects for the averages).

We were also bang on average in spacial IQ and had a higher than average verbal IQ, IIRC.

hondasam

PseudoFamous wrote: »

If we did selective sampling, like France, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany, we would be much higher up. I believe we had a wide scale sample (As did the UK and Canada) in which 1000+ kids were sampled, along with a few hundred adults, whereas the countries listed above had a much more selective testing done (Less than 50 subjects for the averages).

We were also bang on average in spacial IQ and had a higher than average verbal IQ, IIRC.

That makes more sense, no way we are the dumbest in Western Europe.

dsmythy

hondasam wrote: »

That makes more sense, no way we are the dumbest in Western Europe.

Why, who is dumber in Western Europe?

PseudoFamous

Some other stuff I just remembered about this ranking is that many countries were estimated, notably N. Korea, and nearly every country had it's own test, which made the results mostly incomparable. Some countries surveyed different age groups of kids to others (Ireland's kids were 8-9, UK's were 11-12). Can't think of much else atm, but I might have a dig around for my notes on the bewk.

OPENROAD

hondasam wrote: »

You think we could be further down the list or nearer the top?

lol , think we might have slipped down the list

batistuta9

dsmythy wrote: »

Why, who is dumber in Western Europe?

yeah i think we'd be nearer the bottom than top tbh, i'd say some of the countries mentioned above are miles ahead of us: france, germany, the netherlands

PseudoFamous

batistuta9 wrote: »

yeah i think we'd be nearer the bottom than top tbh, i'd say some of the countries mentioned above are miles ahead of us: france, germany, the netherlands

Once again, selective testing. We had a widescale testing, which likely included some areas and schools with detrimental environmental effects on development of IQ, whereas in the countries I mentioned, the testing was incredibly narrow, from one area or school, reducing the likelihood of the results being accurate, and moreso weighted in order to make the country look more impressive in intelligence.

guitarzero

Considering the amount of gargle, flouride, wham bars and tv we consume I'm not all that surprised.

mackg

guitarzero wrote: »

Considering the amount of gargle, flouride, wham bars and tv we consume I'm not all that surprised.

Roy of the rovers ftw

batistuta9

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Once again, selective testing. We had a widescale testing, which likely included some areas and schools with detrimental environmental effects on development of IQ, whereas in the countries I mentioned, the testing was incredibly narrow, from one area or school, reducing the likelihood of the results being accurate, and moreso weighted in order to make the country look more impressive in intelligence.

yeah maybe that test isn't that accurate then if it has been done in the way your saying but i wasn't making that comment on that test though, i don't think Irish people are that intelligent

AgileMyth

For anyone that can't be bothered reading the table:
Asia=Smart
Africa=Stupid

I'm sure its a very credible piece of research.

AgileMyth

PseudoFamous wrote: »

It's handy being half Danish and half Irish. In this sort of thing, I can take the high ground and suddenly be 15 IQ points smarter by calling myself Danish, and when people call Danish dull and sensible, I can instantly become the life of the party by calling myself Irish. Amazing, really.

Either that or you're thick and boring.

chucken1

Broads.ie wrote: »

Hey... I know somebody directed me to the criticism section of the Wiki article. I already read it and I know the methodology is dodgy. But just discuss it anyways to fcuk and stop attacking me.

Next years debating team..discuss it to fcuk :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Future Politician???????:pac:


Im confused? Do you want us to admit we're thick?

Mickjg

Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?

chucken1

Mickjg wrote: »

Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?

14 months...to come up with that?

mconigol

The authors write that it is the ethical responsibility of rich, high-IQ nations to financially assist poor, low-IQ nations, as it is the responsibility of rich citizens to assist the poor.

Fine with me....

I'm expecting a cheque from North Korea any day now. Make it out to cash only please Kim...I don't know how to write my name. Cheers...

Sunnyisland

My family & i are not stupid so it must be my neighbours your talking about

Rachiee

what rubbish, a lot of countries on the list have an average IQ of below 70 that would mean they are intellectually disabled!!! ridiculous you cant take a study like this seriously

inforfun

Mickjg wrote: »

Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?

The Mongolians claimed that title on page 1 of this topic.

MugMugs

The Internet Explorer wrote: »

The Mongolians are a great bunch of lads.

Are you confusing them with Monaghan?

dx22

hondasam wrote: »

That makes more sense, no way we are the dumbest in Western Europe.

Emm...celtic tiger, keeping fianna fail in for all those years, having healy-rea's as TD's...clearly as a nation we are a bunch of slack-jawed yokels

Lando Griffin

I have to disagree.

My OH for example is very smart, she can tell you all the winners of Big Brother, including the celeb ones and all the winners of the X factor.
I should think it very difficult to find anyone from Kazakhstan who can do this.

Hank_Jones

I once made up a fact about this sort of thing.

I don't think I wrote it down though, so it's clearly not relevant. :pac:

In short, country with free third level education performs poorer than Vietnam, does not compute.

Hank_Jones

dx22 wrote: »

Emm...celtic tiger, keeping fianna fail in for all those years, having healy-rea's as TD's...clearly as a nation we are a bunch of slack-jawed yokels

The thing about that is that the majority of politicians in this country are pretty much the same.

"No,no I didn't vote FF, I voted FG."

Which is pretty much exactly the same...

Probably best off supporting the United Left Alliance, as much as it pains me to say so...

yupyup7up

98? That's borderline mental retardation!

ejmaztec

It'd be even worse now with most of the smart people having left the country. The rest of us must have the IQ of a pea betwen us.:(

yupyup7up

yupyup7up wrote: »

98? That's borderline mental retardation!

If it's on a scale where 100 is "average" then it's only slightly below average

EverEvolving

PseudoFamous wrote: »

If we did selective sampling, like France, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany, we would be much higher up. I believe we had a wide scale sample (As did the UK and Canada) in which 1000+ kids were sampled, along with a few hundred adults, whereas the countries listed above had a much more selective testing done (Less than 50 subjects for the averages).

We were also bang on average in spacial IQ and had a higher than average verbal IQ, IIRC.

Yes, maybe if those in charge of carrying out the test had a bit of cop on and completed the tests on a more selective sample then we could be lording it over those countries >93 also.

Goes to show IQ ≠ having a bit of cop.

Amhran Nua

A little background here, the "professor" in this case is from Ulster University, a fine institution last seen sending out detailed studies on why women are naturally worse than men in mathematics and should just shtai in the kitchen thar hai. I think it might have been the same professor actually. Did he also pinch off that study about how Africans naturally have lower intelligence than caucasians as well?

It's a nonsensical scientifically risible excuse for loyalist/whatever the hell they are standing for these days propaganda, of course. You can't take IQ tests across a wide geographical area and just sum them up, IQ tests have to be normalised per population, among many other things.

It's a classic example of 19th century scientific racism, which is about the level I'd expect from UU to behonest.

markesmith

Love the way everyone's being really careful with their grammar and spelling on this thread

wild_cat

I'm going to blame the Catholic Church for this one.

Amhran Nua

Christ almighty, just reading over a this "professor" Lynn's published history, he wouldn't be at all out of place among the staff of Auschwitz or on Goebbels' propaganda committee.

As far as I can see he was advocating euthanising and using eugenics to sterilise the poor, misrepresenting the work of actual scientists and cherry picking data to fit whatever he wanted, as well as just plain old using bad methodology.

Great find, OP.