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Kazakhstan people are smarter than Irish people.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭chucken1


    Broads.ie wrote: »
    Hey... I know somebody directed me to the criticism section of the Wiki article. I already read it and I know the methodology is dodgy. But just discuss it anyways to fcuk and stop attacking me.


    Next years debating team..discuss it to fcuk :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Future Politician???????:pac:


    Im confused? Do you want us to admit we're thick? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Mickjg


    Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭chucken1


    Mickjg wrote: »
    Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?

    14 months...to come up with that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    The authors write that it is the ethical responsibility of rich, high-IQ nations to financially assist poor, low-IQ nations, as it is the responsibility of rich citizens to assist the poor.

    Fine with me....

    I'm expecting a cheque from North Korea any day now. Make it out to cash only please Kim...I don't know how to write my name. Cheers...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    :) My family & i are not stupid so it must be my neighbours your talking about :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    what rubbish, a lot of countries on the list have an average IQ of below 70 that would mean they are intellectually disabled!!! ridiculous you cant take a study like this seriously


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Mickjg wrote: »
    Three pages in and no has yet posted "The Chinese. A great bunch of lads"?


    The Mongolians claimed that title on page 1 of this topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    The Mongolians are a great bunch of lads.
    Are you confusing them with Monaghan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭dx22


    hondasam wrote: »
    That makes more sense, no way we are the dumbest in Western Europe.

    Emm...celtic tiger, keeping fianna fail in for all those years, having healy-rea's as TD's...clearly as a nation we are a bunch of slack-jawed yokels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    I have to disagree.

    My OH for example is very smart, she can tell you all the winners of Big Brother, including the celeb ones and all the winners of the X factor.
    I should think it very difficult to find anyone from Kazakhstan who can do this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    I once made up a fact about this sort of thing.

    I don't think I wrote it down though, so it's clearly not relevant. :pac:

    In short, country with free third level education performs poorer than Vietnam, does not compute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    dx22 wrote: »
    Emm...celtic tiger, keeping fianna fail in for all those years, having healy-rea's as TD's...clearly as a nation we are a bunch of slack-jawed yokels

    The thing about that is that the majority of politicians in this country are pretty much the same.

    "No,no I didn't vote FF, I voted FG."

    Which is pretty much exactly the same...

    Probably best off supporting the United Left Alliance, as much as it pains me to say so...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭yupyup7up


    98? That's borderline mental retardation!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It'd be even worse now with most of the smart people having left the country. The rest of us must have the IQ of a pea betwen us.:(


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Trent Mammoth Bedbug


    yupyup7up wrote: »
    98? That's borderline mental retardation!

    If it's on a scale where 100 is "average" then it's only slightly below average


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭EverEvolving


    If we did selective sampling, like France, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany, we would be much higher up. I believe we had a wide scale sample (As did the UK and Canada) in which 1000+ kids were sampled, along with a few hundred adults, whereas the countries listed above had a much more selective testing done (Less than 50 subjects for the averages).

    We were also bang on average in spacial IQ and had a higher than average verbal IQ, IIRC.

    Yes, maybe if those in charge of carrying out the test had a bit of cop on and completed the tests on a more selective sample then we could be lording it over those countries >93 also.

    Goes to show IQ ≠ having a bit of cop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    A little background here, the "professor" in this case is from Ulster University, a fine institution last seen sending out detailed studies on why women are naturally worse than men in mathematics and should just shtai in the kitchen thar hai. I think it might have been the same professor actually. Did he also pinch off that study about how Africans naturally have lower intelligence than caucasians as well?

    It's a nonsensical scientifically risible excuse for loyalist/whatever the hell they are standing for these days propaganda, of course. You can't take IQ tests across a wide geographical area and just sum them up, IQ tests have to be normalised per population, among many other things.

    It's a classic example of 19th century scientific racism, which is about the level I'd expect from UU to behonest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    Love the way everyone's being really careful with their grammar and spelling on this thread :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    I'm going to blame the Catholic Church for this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Christ almighty, just reading over a this "professor" Lynn's published history, he wouldn't be at all out of place among the staff of Auschwitz or on Goebbels' propaganda committee.

    As far as I can see he was advocating euthanising and using eugenics to sterilise the poor, misrepresenting the work of actual scientists and cherry picking data to fit whatever he wanted, as well as just plain old using bad methodology.

    Great find, OP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Christ almighty, just reading over a this "professor" Lynn's published history, he wouldn't be at all out of place among the staff of Auschwitz or on Goebbels' propaganda committee.

    As far as I can see he was advocating euthanising and using eugenics to sterilise the poor, misrepresenting the work of actual scientists and cherry picking data to fit whatever he wanted, as well as just plain old using bad methodology.

    Great find, OP.

    This tripe trying to pass itself off as research gets a little publicity every now and again. The authors have absolutely no credibility and so fit in well in the places where they live and work


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    And indeed, it was the very same simpleton who mangled data to find that men are apparently naturally more intelligent than women.
    However, last week's publication of Blinkhorn's critique in Nature represents a major change in attitudes to their claims. He points to a number of 'serious flaws' in the approach taken by Lynn and Irwing. For a start, he accuses them of carefully selecting those IQ studies that they allowed in their meta-analysis.
    In particular, he says they chose to ignore a massive study, carried out in Mexico, which showed there was very little difference in the IQs of men and women. 'They say it is "an outlier" in data terms --in other words, it was a statistical freak,' Blinkhorn said.
    'It was nothing of the kind. It was just plain inconvenient. Had it been included, as it should have been, it would have removed a huge chunk of the differences they claim to have observed.'
    In addition, Blinkhorn said the pair were ignoring a vast body of work that had found no differences. 'Psychologists often carry out studies that find no differences between men's and women's IQs but don't publish them for the simple reason that finding nothing seems uninteresting. But you have to take these studies into account as well as those studies that do find differences. But Lynn and Irwing did not. That also skewed their results.'
    Blinkhorn also accuses the pair of adopting a variety of statistical manoeuvres that he describes, in his paper, as being 'flawed and suspect'.
    If there was ever a reason to ban tenure, Lynn is it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    It's interesting that IQ and penis size seem to be inversely correlated. I wonder if there is some sort of evolutionary trade off going on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Why, who is dumber in Western Europe?
    Does it matter?

    Most people think they are above average in IQ, which can't be possible. I think the suvey should be done on which is the most ignorant country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    which is about the level I'd expect from UU to behonest.

    Interesting to see the UK is just 1 point ahead of Germany.

    Can just imagine the results being manipulated a little to ensure that happened :pac:

    In fairness, im not really surprised that were a little bit behind East Asia, Europe and the Former Soviet Union countries.

    We have never really had a history of mathematical or scientific discovery.

    Who gives a sh!te though!
    Our emotional intelligence is far ahead of most nations.
    The entrepreneurial success and social mobility of our emigres in North America and other parts of the New World shows the world the real level of our intelligence.

    Some of the results just show up how bad the methodology is.

    Poland 99
    Latvia 98
    Lithuania... 91!

    How can it be that these 3 countries who have such closely shared histories, experiences and genetics in that corner of Europe have such disparate results.

    Smells of inconsistent methodology to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    since we're citing the wiki here more:
    Several negative reviews have been published in the scholarly literature. Susan Barnett and Wendy Williams wrote that "we see an edifice built on layer upon layer of arbitrary assumptions and selective data manipulation. The data on which the entire book is based are of questionable validity and are used in ways that cannot be justified." They also wrote that cross country comparisons are "virtually meaningless."[8] Ken Richardson wrote "This is not so much science, then, as a social crusade. The Pioneer Fund of America, champion of many dubious causes in the past, will obtain little credit from having assisted this one."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    We have never really had a history of mathematical or scientific discovery.
    Actually there have been some pretty pivotal inventions and inventors who have come from Ireland. Really though we haven't had much of a chance to get a good run at it yet.

    These researches do bring up one fascinating scientific question though - how is it possible for an institution's standards to fall so low that a clearly intellectually disabled individual like Lynn could reach third level education, never mind professorship? I mean he's gotta be in the low 80s, tops. A fine product of the British educational system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Interesting to see the UK is just 1 point ahead of Germany.

    Can just imagine the results being manipulated a little to ensure that happened :pac:

    In fairness, im not really surprised that were a little bit behind East Asia, Europe and the Former Soviet Union countries.


    We have never really had a history of mathematical or scientific discovery.

    Who gives a sh!te though!
    Our emotional intelligence is far ahead of most nations.
    The entrepreneurial success and social mobility of our emigres in North America and other parts of the New World shows the world the real level of our intelligence.

    Some of the results just show up how bad the methodology is.

    Poland 99
    Latvia 98
    Lithuania... 91!

    How can it be that these 3 countries who have such closely shared histories, experiences and genetics in that corner of Europe have such disparate results.

    Smells of inconsistent methodology to me.


    We've had a huge impact on science!!! We're just rubbish at supporting/promoting it.

    John Philip Holland launched the submarine just a few miles away from me :)

    There's loads! Ernest Walton, Robert Boyle, George Boole and Francis Beaufort is a start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    I propose we measure the skulls of negros and mongoloids to gauge their intelligence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Actually there have been some pretty pivotal inventions and inventors who have come from Ireland. Really though we haven't had much of a chance to get a good run at it yet.


    mtb_kng wrote: »
    We've had a huge impact on science!!! We're just rubbish at supporting/promoting it.

    John Philip Holland launched the submarine just a few miles away from me :)

    There's loads! Ernest Walton, Robert Boyle, George Boole and Francis Beaufort is a start.

    I'd only vaguely heard of Boyle and Beafort.

    I suppose we put a lot more stock on our literary heritage then our scientific heritage.


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