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Rambo

Johnmb wrote: »

Even before I got my iPhone, or first Mac, I avoided Flash. I used Firefox and one of the Flash blocking add ons (I had flash, just in case). There remains only two sites that I need Flash for, Hulu and TennisTV.com. Once they move away from Flash, I won't need the Click to Flash extension for Safari, I'll be able to delete Flash altogether from my computer. As for my iPhone, I don't watch Hulu on that, and TennisTV.com have Apps that I can use instead.

yes you had the choice to turn off flash if you wanted

thats all am trying to say about the flash on IPHONE
A CHOICE TO TURN ON or OFF

Johnmb

Rambo wrote: »

yes you had the choice to turn off flash if you wanted

thats all am trying to say about the flash on IPHONE
A CHOICE TO TURN ON or OFF

Again, you don't seem to actually understand what flash is. If it's put on a phone, it will affect the phone, regardless as to whether or not you turn it on or off. It doesn't belong on a phone. If you want it that badly, buy a different phone. Then, when you get fed up with how slow it is, and how bad the battery is, you'll know why anybody with any sense wouldn't allow flash onto their OS for a phone (or even a tablet). Even though my computer has plenty of spare capacity to handle flash, it would still work better if I removed flash altogether. If the iOS Apps ever become available for use on a Mac, Flash will be removed from all my Macs immediately!

Rambo

Johnmb wrote: »

Again, you don't seem to actually understand what flash is. If it's put on a phone, it will affect the phone, regardless as to whether or not you turn it on or off. It doesn't belong on a phone. If you want it that badly, buy a different phone. Then, when you get fed up with how slow it is, and how bad the battery is, you'll know why anybody with any sense wouldn't allow flash onto their OS for a phone (or even a tablet). Even though my computer has plenty of spare capacity to handle flash, it would still work better if I removed flash altogether. If the iOS Apps ever become available for use on a Mac, Flash will be removed from all my Macs immediately!

Adobe goes HTML5: iPhone 5 release date sees Flash replaced with Edge

http://www.beatweek.com/news/8896-adobe-html5-iphone-5-release-date-sees-flash-edge/

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Has there even been a definite date set for their next announcement?
I'm still on my 3gs, was considering getting a 4 off adverts for the last while, but after being messed around once or twice by sellers, I still haven't bought one, and think i'll wait until the next announcement before buying a 4

Oafley Jones

Johnmb wrote: »

Again, you don't seem to actually understand what flash is. If it's put on a phone, it will affect the phone, regardless as to whether or not you turn it on or off. It doesn't belong on a phone. If you want it that badly, buy a different phone. Then, when you get fed up with how slow it is, and how bad the battery is, you'll know why anybody with any sense wouldn't allow flash onto their OS for a phone (or even a tablet). Even though my computer has plenty of spare capacity to handle flash, it would still work better if I removed flash altogether. If the iOS Apps ever become available for use on a Mac, Flash will be removed from all my Macs immediately!

In regard to the highlighted section above, I'm curious as to how you believe flash adversely affects (technically please) a phone?

Sad Professor

BDJW wrote: »

Has there even been a definite date set for their next announcement?

No. It's all still rumour.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Sad Professor wrote: »

No. It's all still rumour.

Thought so, thanks!

DubDJ

BDJW wrote: »

Has there even been a definite date set for their next announcement?
I'm still on my 3gs, was considering getting a 4 off adverts for the last while, but after being messed around once or twice by sellers, I still haven't bought one, and think i'll wait until the next announcement before buying a 4

Assuming Apple will be announcing a new iPhone this year, which would be a shock if they didn't, it should be announced either this week or next about a Keynote. It's getting pretty late in the year now. And although it is still all rumour it makes sense that they'd have a keynote in September. It gives them enough time to build some hype following the announcement and to catch up on production just before Christmas. I think they changed it to a later date so it would be a good present for Christmas. But then again I could be wrong.

Either way I'd hold off buying one on Adverts. People will have to drop their price as soon as the new iPhone is out.

120_Minutes

Rambo wrote: »

Adobe goes HTML5: iPhone 5 release date sees Flash replaced with Edge

http://www.beatweek.com/news/8896-adobe-html5-iphone-5-release-date-sees-flash-edge/

Couldn't they come up with a different name? Average punters are gonna confuse that with the edge network.

Johnmb

Oafley Jones wrote: »

In regard to the highlighted section above, I'm curious as to how you believe flash adversely affects (technically please) a phone?

Seriously? Well, let's keep it simple, space and memory commitments. A phone with, what, 8GB memory and 500mb RAM (assuming they drop the 3GS, and the 4 becomes the lowest spec iPhone shortly). And you think that can handle Flash? Even if Flash is "turned off", it will still be taking up space, and will likely end up working like it does on a Mac/PC currently, i.e. if it's on the system, it runs, turning it off involves bloating your browser with an extension which doesn't actually turn off Flash, it simply blocks Flash from kicking into gear and using up more resources. So now you'll have a bloated browser, a bloated iOS (to make it compatible with Flash), and Flash itself, all taking up extra space and using extra RAM. Your Mac/PC is adversely affected by Flash, it's just that, usually, they have enough memory and RAM so that it is not noticeable to the average user (although crashes caused by Flash are quite common relatively speaking). No phone is currently on a par with a full computer as far as memory and RAM are concerned, so Flash's affects will be more noticeable, and crashes even more common. And before you claim that current phones are on a par with computers from a bygone era, using Flash from that era would be completely useless, and using Flash from the current era would be just as much a strain on those computers as it would be on a phone. And putting it on phones wouldn't be much use for a lot of Flash based sites, as they are not designed to work with a touch screen. So lots of problems, very little benefit.

120_Minutes

And to add a non techies perspective, I have a very old iBook g4 that a bought recently just to get familiar with osx. Flash video is terrible on it.

Johnmb

120_Minutes wrote: »

And to add a non techies perspective, I have a very old iBook g4 that a bought recently just to get familiar with osx. Flash video is terrible on it.

Just to point out that poor quality Flash wouldn't have much to do with that computer being a Mac or using OSX. If it's one of the early G4's, it probably only has 256mb RAM. Any computer, PC or Mac, with those specs will struggle to play Flash video nowadays. Does the latest version of Flash even work on it?

120_Minutes

512 actually, firefox 3.6.20 with flash extension 10.1.102.64 osx 10.5.8

vinnycoyne

If you want to discuss the merits (or otherwise) of Flash, please create a new thread. Back on topic, please.

whiterebel

Its not to make Christmas anyway. €600 contract phones are not normally given as presents. iPad, iPod yes, iPhone no.

Johnmb

whiterebel wrote: »

Its not to make Christmas anyway. €600 contract phones are not normally given as presents. iPad, iPod yes, iPhone no.

If the rumors of a cheaper model for PAYG are true, that could be a Christmas present. Although the main markets for such a phone would probably be China and India, is Christmas a big present giving holiday in those markets?

Dublinstiofán

Rumor is that the Media event is on the 5th of September.

Been told to keep it hush until invitations are sent out on Wednesday the 31st.

Not sure if theres any truth in it but hopefully the wait is over!

Johnmb

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Not sure if theres any truth in it but hopefully the wait is over!

Yeah, the sooner we can move onto rumors of the iPhone 6 the better!!!
Although, in truth, once the iPhone 5 is announced, rumors about the iPad 3 will take over, it's never-ending.....

mad muffin

At this point I would just be happy to have the event announced and to see how it looks like.

I'll worry about the release date fir it later. :pac:

Doylers

Adding to the rumours http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110829PD201.html

120_Minutes

whiterebel wrote: »

Its not to make Christmas anyway. €600 contract phones are not normally given as presents. iPad, iPod yes, iPhone no.

At the risk of being pedantic, they don't cost €600 on contract...;) and believe me plenty are bought as presents.

DubDJ

Aren't their a lot of restrictions in China regarding selling the iPhone. And it's all rumours that China Mobile will be adding the iPhone to their supported mobile device list.

I can see the iPhone being very popular in the US and Europe. Where Xmas is very popular :P

And yeah the iPhone isn't €600 on contract. I can imagine a lot of people buying them as gifts or if not buying them for a gift to theirselves haha

challengemaster

The sooner the better tbh, getting tired of how slow my 3g is getting, but there's no way in hell I'm forking out €700 for an iphone 4. Price drops plz....

whiterebel

120_Minutes wrote: »

At the risk of being pedantic, they don't cost €600 on contract...;) and believe me plenty are bought as presents.

No, they were €2-300 on contract when they came out. Seeing as you can't sign a contract for someone else, I can't see many €600 phones being given as presents.....

Johnmb

whiterebel wrote: »

No, they were €2-300 on contract when they came out. Seeing as you can't sign a contract for someone else, I can't see many €600 phones being given as presents.....

Not all presents are surprises
Person A signing the contract, while person B pays for the phone as a gift to person A is a common enough practice.

DubDJ

I'd say Apple will announce the event either tomorrow or Wednesday, following their usual announcement schedual for the iPod event. And they usually announce on a Tuesday or Wednesday. So the rumour could be correct. Let's hope. I don't plan on getting the new iPhone but looking forward to getting my hands in the final release of iOS 5. I don't like the developer beta's. Too unstable.

owenc

What will it look like? I hope it isn't like the iPhone 4 that's ugly and u hope the signals good because I'm not replacing my 3GS if it isnt!

Creamy Goodness

What? The iPhone 4 is still the best looking phone you can buy and it's been out for 15 months at this stage. Name one phone that is nicer? Go on I dare ya, I double dare ya.

Fingleberries

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

What? The iPhone 4 is still the best looking phone you can buy and it's been out for 15 months at this stage. Name one phone that is nicer? Go on I dare ya, I double dare ya.

The 3Gs without a protective case? It fits into the hand nicer than the hard squared-off edges of the iPhone 4 and is really sleek for a three year old piece of kit.

bucks73

I agree. I went for the 3Gs last year instead of the 4 as I preferred the look and feel. Im hoping the new one reverts back to something similar to the 3Gs.

Mr Velo

Mr.S wrote: »

3GS feels to big and "fat' in your hand after you've used a 4 IMO

Definitely... (from a skeptic who loved the 3GS)

Dman001

Fingleberries wrote: »

The 3Gs without a protective case? It fits into the hand nicer than the hard squared-off edges of the iPhone 4 and is really sleek for a three year old piece of kit.

I used to think the same, but the iPhone 4 is a much nicer shape. It doesn't feel as big and bumpy, and fits into your pocket easier. Despite the shattering problems, I think the glass back looks much nicer and premium too!

Oafley Jones

Dman001 wrote: »

I used to think the same, but the iPhone 4 is a much nicer shape. It doesn't feel as big and bumpy, and fits into your pocket easier. Despite the shattering problems, I think the glass back looks much nicer and premium too!

The 3GS is ever so slightly too big for my hands, but in terms of ergonomics I much prefer the design of it compared to the 4 which just feels sharp and uncomfortable - although it's nowhere near as bad as the SGS2 which in my (albeit minimal) time handling the device just felt awful.

I agree with DMan in that the 4 does feel much better in terms of construction - in fact it seems to ooze quality - but for me this is a completely false impression. It's probably one of the most fragile phone I've ever come across.

DubDJ

The 3GS is outdated. It's had very few changes in form factor since the original iPhone was introduced until the iPhone 4. That was the biggest change so far. And even now after 15 months I still think it's a gorgeous phone. And can't think of another that i'd prefer over it.

Plus the fragile part doesn't bother me too much. I didn't buy this €700 phone to drop it

Oafley Jones

DubDJ wrote: »

The 3GS is outdated. It's had very few changes in form factor since the original iPhone was introduced until the iPhone 4. That was the biggest change so far. And even now after 15 months I still think it's a gorgeous phone. And can't think of another that i'd prefer over it.

Plus the fragile part doesn't bother me too much. I didn't buy this €700 phone to drop it

The 3GS was outdated when it launched, it looked every bit of the two year old design. Similarly, for me the least successful element of the 4 is the front, which has barely changed since the first model. It looks great from a lot of angles but the screen size in proportion to the front is too small and looks slightly outdated. It reminds me of the older iMacs, when you look at them now all you think is how large the chin is and how comparatively small the screen is. That for me is the case with the 4.

Nobody buys a phone to drop it, but it'll happen to every phone and when it does happen it should be robust enough to survive small falls intact.

Dman001

Oafley Jones wrote: »

The 3GS is ever so slightly too big for my hands, but in terms of ergonomics I much prefer the design of it compared to the 4 which just feels sharp and uncomfortable - although it's nowhere near as bad as the SGS2 which in my (albeit minimal) time handling the device just felt awful.

I agree with DMan in that the 4 does feel much better in terms of construction - in fact it seems to ooze quality - but for me this is a completely false impression. It's probably one of the most fragile phone I've ever come across.

Very true, but still couldn't say no to that glass back. In fairness though, the plastic back on the 3GS was just as prone to cracking, especially around the dock connector and earphone jack. Although that isn't the same as a completely shattered back.

But if the rumors are to be believed, we may not see the Glass back on the iPhone 5.

pfurey101

I think we need another iPhone5 thread.

DubDJ

This year it's very hard to predict what's going to happen. Last year was the first big form factor shift for the iPhone. And this year they broke from routine and never announced a new one at WWDC11.

It's unclear to whether they'll shift form factor again or not. On one hand they've only had a huge change which was very popular for the most part, which would suggest a 4S type phone. But then again they've waited 15 months so a small refresh like this might prove unpopular.

They did say they were going to focus on software opposed to hardware this year. All this combined makes it really difficult to predict. The Steve Jobs resignation probably won't have an impact as I'm sure his input has shaped the new model over the last 15 months.

I'm looking forward to the iPhone announcement anyways. Just because of the whole uncertainty surrounding it.

Johnmb

DubDJ wrote: »

This year it's very hard to predict what's going to happen. Last year was the first big form factor shift for the iPhone. And this year they broke from routine and never announced a new one at WWDC11.

It's unclear to whether they'll shift form factor again or not. On one hand they've only had a huge change which was very popular for the most part, which would suggest a 4S type phone. But then again they've waited 15 months so a small refresh like this might prove unpopular.

They did say they were going to focus on software opposed to hardware this year. All this combined makes it really difficult to predict. The Steve Jobs resignation probably won't have an impact as I'm sure his input has shaped the new model over the last 15 months.

I'm looking forward to the iPhone announcement anyways. Just because of the whole uncertainty surrounding it.

I'm still waiting to see what they do with the LiquidMetal that they licensed. I'm amazed it hasn't made its way to the iPhone/iPad yet, and if the rumors of a metal back are true I wonder if it will be the LiquidMetal rather than aluminum, or have they come up with another way to work around the reception issues the aluminum back caused the original iPhone.

DubDJ

Johnmb wrote: »

I'm still waiting to see what they do with the LiquidMetal that they licensed. I'm amazed it hasn't made its way to the iPhone/iPad yet, and if the rumors of a metal back are true I wonder if it will be the LiquidMetal rather than aluminum, or have they come up with another way to work around the reception issues the aluminum back caused the original iPhone.

Haven't heard of this one before. Sounds good though they always have the new metals and parts in their devices. I've personally never had an issue with the antenna and dropped calls. Neither has anyone I know witch the iPhone 4. I personally think it's overly exaggerated.

Johnmb

DubDJ wrote: »

Haven't heard of this one before. Sounds good though they always have the new metals and parts in their devices. I've personally never had an issue with the antenna and dropped calls. Neither has anyone I know witch the iPhone 4. I personally think it's overly exaggerated.

The problem I referenced wasn't with the iPhone 4, it was with the original iPhone that had an aluminum back casing. There have been rumors of the iPhone 5 having a metallic back case, but nothing has been mentioned about the LiquidMetal, that part is just my own query (query, not a misspelled theory ). They've had the license for quite a while now and the only thing they use it with is the sim tray opener, so if they do go back to a metallic back case, it would make sense that it is LiquidMetal (but I'd have said the same about the iPad back case, and I'd have been wrong...)

The IRgAy

Apple fanboy membership dosen't come cheap! -- they seem to have a new iphone out every year! :eek:

Mellor

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

What? The iPhone 4 is still the best looking phone you can buy and it's been out for 15 months at this stage. Name one phone that is nicer? Go on I dare ya, I double dare ya.

pfft, its onlt 14 months old, it will look dated once it reaches 15 months and the iPhone 5 is out

The IRgAy wrote: »

Apple fanboy membership dosen't come cheap! -- they seem to have a new iphone out every year! :eek:

They don't "seem" to have a new one, that's exactly what they have done.

The first was released June 2007, and every Junr or July a new model has come out. The iPhone 4 has now been the "latest" model for the longet period yet. I was surprised at this as I still think of it as a new design, but it is probablt down to the fact that Gen 1, 2 and 3 were much more similar looking.

whiterebel

The IRgAy wrote: »

Apple fanboy membership dosen't come cheap! -- they seem to have a new iphone out every year! :eek:

Yeah, unlike a new HTC, Blackberry, Nokia, Samsung etc every 2 weeks......:rolleyes:

DubDJ

The IRgAy wrote: »

Apple fanboy membership dosen't come cheap! -- they seem to have a new iphone out every year! :eek:

Another member of the Fandroid club

120_Minutes

The IRgAy wrote: »

Apple fanboy membership dosen't come cheap! -- they seem to have a new iphone out every year! :eek:

came very cheap for me, i got my iphone 3gs for free on vodafone launch week and i won an apple tv 2



problem?

Groinshot

I'm still on a 3g from close to release date (well, my second 3g since then) so I think I deserve an upgrade...

Creamy Goodness

Mellor wrote: »

pfft, its onlt 14 months old, it will look dated once it reaches 15 months and the iPhone 5 is out

i counted the month that was june as it was announced then but you have a valid point

The IRgAy

DubDJ wrote: »

Another member of the Fandroid club

Nope - I have a 2 year old Samsung that cost the princely sum of €19.99.

If I were to upgrade to a 'smart phone' ( I use the term as loosely as possible) it probably would be an Android, but only because I believe spending 500 nicker on a phone is mentally retarded.

Groinshot

The IRgAy wrote: »

If I were to upgrade to a 'smart phone' ( I use the term as loosely as possible) it probably would be an Android, but only because I believe spending 500 nicker on a phone is mentally retarded.

Because android phones dont cost 500 euro