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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2012*

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    #962
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    spasmaster wrote: »
    because they didnt know the date changed

    Your posts are kind of unclear...:confused:


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    #963
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    Yeah, didn't get it finished either, bad timing.... luck on the day i suppose ! will be fairly cheesed off on monday even though i know i didn't do all to well! FML. theres always pharmacy:)


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    #964
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    Answering every single question "properly" can give you a fall sense of security. I think it's almost worse because you're likely to lull yourself into thinking you've aced it. You can get through everything, think you've done really well, but in actual fact you've gone and fallen into every trap they set along the way and you end up with a very mediocre score.

    I think it's one of the hardest exams I've ever come across to speculate on results. Wish this week would hurry on up and put us out of our misery!


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    #965
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    estimating i got mid 170''s mark ;-( only section truly confident on was 2, which is undoubtedly the easiest...so that bears no consolation... i bet its the biggest anticlimax ever, the chase is always better than the kill


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    #966
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    Brenn2345 wrote: »
    estimating i got mid 170''s mark ;-( only section truly confident on was 2, which is undoubtedly the easiest...so that bears no consolation... i bet its the biggest anticlimax ever, the chase is always better than the kill


    Ah, brings me back to my Merchant of Venice days, 'All things that are, are with more spirit chased than enjoyed.':)

    Section 2 is not the easiest, however. People think it is, but it is difficult and one that isn't always easy to pick up points on.


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    #967
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    Perhaps you're right 'Medicine333' , is the hpat hand correct or just correct by computer? when i was in college any of those mcqs where fed into a computer!
    anyone shed some light??


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    #968
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    Brenn2345 wrote: »
    Perhaps you're right 'Medicine333' , is the hpat hand correct or just correct by computer? when i was in college any of those mcqs where fed into a computer!
    anyone shed some light??

    By computer. Oh, and don't take what I said about section 2 fully to heart-it is a very difficult section, but some people do excel at it. However, every person I spoke to going into the exam said it was their favourite section, but coming out they had a different opinion!

    Don't worry about it though, as Hollingr said, it is one of the most difficult exams to gauge whether you have done well or not!


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    #969
    skinny malinky
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭skinny malinky


    hollingr wrote: »
    Wish this week would hurry on up and put us out of our misery!

    The results might only be the beginning of my misery!


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    #970
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    Yeah it is, the hpat is just just ridiculous in a sense though. Like yeah ok, it sort of gauges how you perform under pressure and although that is like a key characteristic for a future in medicine . it isn't actually the only one thats important, and thats why a lot of apt people are being faced with rejection every year. i think england have the right idea, bring you in sit you down, have lil chat, read your personal statement ask you a few questions, the actually account the person and not just the results. as opposed to C A ****ty O and its computer selection, its awfully unfair, and lets not forget al the poor unfortunates that will be greeted with '*" in august ....bastard asterisk


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    #971
    skinny malinky
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭skinny malinky


    hollingr wrote: »
    Answering every single question "properly" can give you a fall sense of security. I think it's almost worse because you're likely to lull yourself into thinking you've aced it. You can get through everything, think you've done really well, but in actual fact you've gone and fallen into every trap they set along the way and you end up with a very mediocre score.

    I think it's one of the hardest exams I've ever come across to speculate on results.

    I agree. Honestly feel I could have scored anything between 140 and 190.


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    #972
    NoHarm1994
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭NoHarm1994


    Bricking it that I am going to see a big dirty 100 out of 300.


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    #973
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    are the results out at 12 am onwards monday?


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    #974
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Brenn2345 wrote: »
    Yeah it is, the hpat is just just ridiculous in a sense though. Like yeah ok, it sort of gauges how you perform under pressure and although that is like a key characteristic for a future in medicine . it isn't actually the only one thats important, and thats why a lot of apt people are being faced with rejection every year. i think england have the right idea, bring you in sit you down, have lil chat, read your personal statement ask you a few questions, the actually account the person and not just the results. as opposed to C A ****ty O and its computer selection, its awfully unfair, and lets not forget al the poor unfortunates that will be greeted with '*" in august ....bastard asterisk
    The UK is even worse. You have no idea how difficult it is to get in.

    The academic requirements at the A level are much the same as the LC (Except Chemistry is mandatory almost everywhere).
    There's the UKCAT/BMAT which is more or less the same as the HPAT.
    There's the interviews which are nerve-wracking.
    There's the personal statement and your references and evidence of voluntary work and/or experience in working in healthcare


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    #975
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    The UK is even worse. You have no idea how difficult it is to get in.

    The academic requirements at the A level are much the same as the LC (Except Chemistry is mandatory almost everywhere).
    There's the UKCAT/BMAT which is more or less the same as the HPAT.
    There's the interviews which are nerve-wracking.
    There's the personal statement and your references and evidence of voluntary work and/or experience in working in healthcare

    but in fairness , its strategic. it filters out all the gob****es that are doing it for the stigma of being a doctor. cus they think it looks çool'when they watch greys anatomy or whatever.

    its actually a bit depressing that you can do medicine now without having did a science subject... at least over there students need to be like minded and show they have the commitment .. students who choose geography history art etc or bio chem or physics , who's more apt?? and they base it on a aray of things, i dunno about you but i'd be fairly pissed if i found out i lost out on my place in medicine to someone who never did a science subject! just because a computer 'randomly' selected them, as least over there you loose out, you know everyone else was better than you!


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    #976
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    Brenn2345 wrote: »
    its actually a bit depressing that you can do medicine now without having did a science subject...

    You can't do medicine anywhere without having done at least one science subject.


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    #977
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    The UK is even worse. You have no idea how difficult it is to get in.

    The academic requirements at the A level are much the same as the LC (Except Chemistry is mandatory almost everywhere).
    There's the UKCAT/BMAT which is more or less the same as the HPAT.
    There's the interviews which are nerve-wracking.
    There's the personal statement and your references and evidence of voluntary work and/or experience in working in healthcare

    It's more complicated, but much more superior to our system, in fairness!


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    #978
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I never said it was a bad system. Just more difficult.


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    #979
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I never said it was a bad system. Just more difficult.

    You said it is 'even worse.'


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    #980
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Medicine333 wrote: »
    It's more complicated, but much more superior to our system, in fairness!

    I'd probably agree, in the UK you tick a number of boxes: score fairly well in the UKCAT, get 3As at A-level, do some work experience and be a normal person at interview, and you've pretty much got in, at least somewhere.

    Here if you can't do one godawful test you're screwed! :(


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    #981
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    Medicine333 wrote: »
    You said it is 'even worse.'

    In terms of its difficulty in getting in.


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    #982
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    You can't do medicine anywhere without having done at least one science subject.

    Well, there is graduate entry (GAMSATS).. Only some basic chemistry required! Engineers tend to do quite well in it.


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    #983
    spasmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭spasmaster


    do you think theyd let you skip first year of med if you already did a year in college?


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    #984
    Medicine333
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Medicine333


    spasmaster wrote: »
    do you think theyd let you skip first year of med if you already did a year in college?

    Do you mean just do a 4 year course, or skip foundation?


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    #985
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    spasmaster wrote: »
    do you think theyd let you skip first year of med if you already did a year in college?

    You may be able to skip premed depending on what course you did and your LC subjects. You would never be able to skip first med.


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    #986
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    spasmaster wrote: »
    do you think theyd let you skip first year of med if you already did a year in college?

    i think only if you have previously did a vet or dentistry degree , you can 'accelerate' to second year, they are the rules in tcd anyway


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    #987
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Medicine333 wrote: »
    You said it is 'even worse.'
    In terms of difficulty, yes.
    Brenn2345 wrote: »
    i think only if you have previously did a vet or dentistry degree , you can 'accelerate' to second year, they are the rules in tcd anyway
    Veterinary doesn't get accelerated entry as far as i'm aware.

    If you did dentistry, are registered with the dental council and have published research you get accelerated entry in to 3rd year Medicine.

    I think the same goes for Medicine --> Dentistry except you get in to 2nd year Dentistry instead.


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    #988
    Brenn2345
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Brenn2345


    Anyone have veterinary after medicine on their CAO?


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    #989
    aisling95
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭aisling95


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    The UK is even worse. You have no idea how difficult it is to get in.

    The academic requirements at the A level are much the same as the LC (Except Chemistry is mandatory almost everywhere).
    There's the UKCAT/BMAT which is more or less the same as the HPAT.
    There's the interviews which are nerve-wracking.
    There's the personal statement and your references and evidence of voluntary work and/or experience in working in healthcare


    I don't know, at least with applying to the UK your whole life doesn't seem to depend on one short test. I actually found the process quite straight forward and got an offer without too much hassle. The entry requirements for Irish students are probably lower as well; I need 5As and one B with an A in Biology and Chemistry, which could in theory be as low as 525 points! I suppose it's just a matter of preference, but I think that having a range of different aspects being considered definitely takes the pressure off each one individually!


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    #990
    skinny malinky
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭skinny malinky


    aisling95 wrote: »
    I don't know, at least with applying to the UK your whole life doesn't seem to depend on one short test. I actually found the process quite straight forward and got an offer without too much hassle. The entry requirements for Irish students are probably lower as well; I need 5As and one B with an A in Biology and Chemistry, which could in theory be as low as 525 points! I suppose it's just a matter of preference, but I think that having a range of different aspects being considered definitely takes the pressure off each one individually!

    But the fees etc. are much higher in England right? That's the only thing holding me back applying to there next year. That and the fact that I lived in London before and the cost of living is ridiculous.


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    #991
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    skinny malinky wrote: »
    But the fees etc. are much higher in England right? That's the only thing holding me back applying to there next year. That and the fact that I lived in London before and the cost of living is ridiculous.

    Yeah, the fees are £9,000/yr. But my insurance is Newcastle, and the cost of living there is much lower than London, and less than Dublin too; generally in the UK the further north you go, the less the cost of living.


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