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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2012*

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    #572
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    No no no, nobody would apply to medicine if it were 600 points. Stick to the current system, the HPAT keeps our points for medicine down. I prefer having it in two parts.


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    #573
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    reznov wrote: »
    The leaving certificate is a standard test which does not offer bonuses to females. It is certainly not sexist :P don't understand why males are unable to achieve what females can.

    I'm guessing you're female? Haha


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    #574
    Just Like Heaven
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    reznov wrote: »
    The leaving certificate is a standard test which does not offer bonuses to females.

    And there's no evidence to suggest that the hpat favours males either?


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    #575
    leaving cert finished 2k11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭leaving cert finished 2k11


    what answer did people get for the infectious disease question ?? less than 5 10 25 50?


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    #576
    Slow Show
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    anishboi wrote: »
    No no no, nobody would apply to medicine if it were 600 points..

    Well then it wouldn't be 600 points. :p

    Hope everything works out for everyone here, no matter what results they get! :)

    Curious as a potential/maybe/possible HPAT 2013er to see how all this goes, if the points inflate much over what you'd expect with the bonus points for maths, I can't really see the HPAT sticking around for too much longer...and the points certainly can't go down so it's a bit of a messy situation for all involved. I'd love if there were interviews myself, alas that looks fairly doubtful...


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    #577
    Just Like Heaven
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    leaving cert finished 2k11 wrote: »
    what answer did people get for the infectious disease question ?? less than 5 10 25 50?

    25? :o


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    #578
    matthew769
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭matthew769


    leaving cert finished 2k11 wrote: »
    what answer did people get for the infectious disease question ?? less than 5 10 25 50?

    Less than 25 I think, R0 needed to be less than 1, and the two other components were 0.02 and 2, therefore 0.04 c = less than 1. c has to be less than 25 :D


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    #579
    reznov
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭reznov


    Assuming the HPAT maintains a 50:50 ratio. Assuming that the LC apparently favours females, the HPAT balances this ratio by favouring males. Or so the folklore goes? I believe neither favours ashy gender. Just some perception exists that gender inequalities are some how balanced with yet another standardised test.

    I am male btw.
    Also, I guessed for that one lower than 25. :rolleyes:


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    #580
    Taco Chips
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    leaving cert finished 2k11 wrote: »
    what answer did people get for the infectious disease question ?? less than 5 10 25 50?

    I got less than 25 contacts. But the info in the question may be different across all of the papers. I.e, the theory of the question might be the same but I might have been given different figures to work with than you.


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    #581
    Togepi
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    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    And there's no evidence to suggest that the hpat favours males either?

    If it increases the number of males getting into medicine (which I'm pretty sure it does), as has been suggested a few posts ago, then it does favour males.

    The root of the problem is the Leaving Cert itself though, the points system has to go.


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    #582
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    leaving cert finished 2k11 wrote: »
    what answer did people get for the infectious disease question ?? less than 5 10 25 50?

    I got 50 :L


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    #583
    Just Like Heaven
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    Togepi wrote: »
    If it increases the number of males getting into medicine (which I'm pretty sure it does), as has been suggested a few posts ago, then it does favour males.

    A 50:50 male to female ratio is not in favour of males.


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    #584
    cathal94
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    anishboi wrote: »
    I got 50 :L

    I said 5 .. hadn't a notion :D


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    #585
    Togepi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Togepi


    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    A 50:50 male to female ratio is not in favour of males.

    True, but if that's an increase on the old ratio of males to females in medicine then it favours them more than it used to. It might have been better to do something about the unequal gender ratio for Leaving Cert results.


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    #586
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    No test can 'favour' a certain gender unless it asks about something like girls's cosmetics or boy's football teams.

    The HPAT wasn't actually invented to increas the number of males entering medicine, it was just made to test your aptitude before you do the course. Your ability to see through problems and read emotions, two things that most doctors need to do.

    And even if the HPAT was made to increase the number of males entering medicine, there is no evidence in the exam of any favouritism towards males, and all tests are marked by a computer so there can't be bias.

    And the LC isn't more lenient to females, us boys are just lazy ****es.


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    #587
    Just Like Heaven
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    Togepi wrote: »
    It might have been better to do something about the unequal gender ratio for Leaving Cert results.

    Sure. However
    reznov wrote: »
    The leaving certificate is a standard test which does not offer bonuses to females.

    So what can ya do.


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    #588
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    cathal94 wrote: »
    I said 5 .. hadn't a notion :D

    One of the questions that I had enough time to do, and could therefore work out :P


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    #589
    Kakes
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    Can anyone tell me, when you get your results in April, do you also get your percentile? Or is it just the points?


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    #590
    Togepi
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    anishboi wrote: »
    No test can 'favour' a certain gender unless it asks about something like girls's cosmetics or boy's football teams.

    Whatever about the HPAT but I think that was a tad sexist.

    I know far more about football teams than cosmetics.


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    #591
    reznov
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭reznov


    Can anyone remind me what stops males from performing on par with females at the LC? :confused:


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    #592
    Just Like Heaven
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    reznov wrote: »
    Can anyone remind me what stops males from performing on par with females at the LC? :confused:

    Tipping over the desk with their balls


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    #593
    Just Like Heaven
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    Kakes wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me, when you get your results in April, do you also get your percentile? Or is it just the points?

    You get both


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    #594
    Togepi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Togepi


    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    Togepi wrote: »
    It might have been better to do something about the unequal gender ratio for Leaving Cert results.

    Sure. However
    reznov wrote: »
    The leaving certificate is a standard test which does not offer bonuses to females.

    So what can ya do.

    I suppose, maybe if the Leaving Cert was changed to reward intelligence rather than being hard-working good at memorising information.

    Or if maths and the sciences were worth more than art, history, languages, etc in terms of getting into medicine.


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    #595
    Togepi
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    reznov wrote: »
    Can anyone remind me what stops males from performing on par with females at the LC? :confused:

    At the age of seventeen/eighteen anyway, girls generally tend to work harder in school. Apparently. So they do better. There's nothing to stop males doing just as well.


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    #596
    Just Like Heaven
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    Togepi wrote: »
    I suppose, maybe if the Leaving Cert was changed to reward intelligence rather than being hard-working good at memorising information.

    This is what they tried to do with the hpat yes.
    Togepi wrote: »
    Or if maths and the sciences were worth more than art, history, languages, etc in terms of getting into medicine.

    Maths are now worth more and they're looking into bonus points for sciences, based on the results from honours maths points.

    It's an awful lot of work though to put all these systems into place for 3,000 - 4,000 students per year though. And stuff like English and having a good control of language is still really important in being a doctor.


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    #597
    reznov
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭reznov


    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    Tipping over the desk with their balls

    Hahaha. :pac:
    Those damn testicles use up intelligence.


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    #598
    Just Like Heaven
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    Kakes wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me, when you get your results in April, do you also get your percentile? Or is it just the points?

    Actually I think if you scored poorly <20% they don't give you a percentile.


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    #599
    anishboi
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭anishboi


    Togepi wrote: »
    I suppose, maybe if the Leaving Cert was changed to reward intelligence rather than being hard-working good at memorising information.

    Well I think that the LC should be all about memory intelligence because that's the exam that gets you not just into medicine, but into every other course as well. That's why the exam and all subjects need to be a book-learning standard that's fair and relevant for everyone, and not an aptitude (intelligence) test. Put it this way, a construction worker doesn't need aptitude, but needs the LC theory that he/she learned in construction studies. An economist also doesn't need aptitude, but needs business and accounting.

    Remember that even though we're all applying to medicine, we're not the only ones going through this system. Everyone needs the LC to go where they want to go. The LC can't just be changed to suit us medical soon-to-be (hopefully) students.


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    #600
    Kakes
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Kakes


    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    Actually I think if you scored poorly <20% they don't give you a percentile.

    Let's hope that doesn't happen:) Thanks


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    #601
    leavingcert.
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭leavingcert.


    The reason girls to better in the leaving cert is because they do wayyy more study than males... I'm a male by the way..... the reason males do better in the hpat, assuming from the above posts that they do, would be because males have a better aptitude and logic... everyone knows it... thats why males excel in subjects like physics and maths... because they have more natural ability when it comes to mechanisms etc


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