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The super duper retro gaming review thread
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21-08-2011 10:30pm#1This might die a horrible death , but a thread geared towards retro reviews?
Either ones we've knocked up , or funny/good found ones
I've been faffing about sampling the best and worst of the home conversions of Outrun.(excluding the PCE/MS/Dos versions), here they (are ..roughly in order of recording so they get slightly better as I go..not much though)
C64
Spectrum
Amstrad
Atari St
SMS and GG
And lastly..
Amiga and Megadrive
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtv4ddGCFVs
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You're being really thorough with reviewing every version of the game. Have you thought about writing them up for HG101? I'm sure they'd love a submission like that and they usually require you to be thorough with the playing and reviewing all the ports which you seem to have been.
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Game:Cavern Fighter
Format:Zx Spectrum
Released:1983 By Bug Byte Software
Price: £5.95 on release (Can be found now on Ebay for around the same)
One of the early shmups and one of the first games i owned for the speccy.Conversion of the Arcade game Scramble which was a classic game.
Simple game blast the crap out of anything that moves and pick up fuel by shooting the fuel pods and make sure you dont smash into the walls
Its quite a tricky little game that as you will see in the vid i need a bit more practice on.I found myself playing this through 3 cups of coffee so it still has a bit to offer in competition with todays Shmups e.g Chou Aniki R Type Etc
Well worth a play and id suggest finding it on an emulator
Crash Score 1983: 92%
Score 2011: 78%
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Pimping my crappy blog but put up my thoughts on Dragon Quest 1. Currently doing one on goldeneye to be controversial :P
http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/dragon-quest.html
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My thoughts on my recent play through of goldeneye. I've tried to be objective but don't expect a glowing review:
http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/goldeneye-n64.html
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Just go for it, couldn't be easier to set one up and I'm sure people here such as myself will follow it. I've gotten hits from famicomblog which is weird. Mostly it's people leeching my thief and actraiser screenshots on google though
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Huzzah! Its another review!
Today Xybots
I'm probably going to do a few standalone ones as I'm planning a big change in the format of the multiformat reviews, (you'll see what I mean in a week or two)
(oh yeah thanks for that , SFII is a good choice , so I've added it to "the list" although theres a lot to get through first)0 -
Retr0gamer wrote: »My thoughts on my recent play through of goldeneye all games except Mother3. I've tried to be objective but don't expect glowing reviews:
Aged badly
Horrible textures
Bad antialiasing
Horrible mipmapping
Desperate anisoptric filtering
Appaling physics
Colour depth all wrong
Audio compression too high, resulting in less than studio quality sounds
And thats basically it
Fyp
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Retr0gamer wrote: »You forgot the important one, shitty gameplay for goldeneye.
Again
Goldeneye hasn't aged terribly, in fact no game 'ages' really. It's our perception that changes & our expectations, & no game, at least very few, can stand up against those odds 0 -
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Go play it then and tell me in all honesty it hasn't aged badly and that it's not as good as you remembered. All that matters is that when I played it recently it wasn't much fun. However if I go back and play something like Doom 2 it'll be far more enjoyable.
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Well that's more the games legacy and I did go into that and can't deny what it did and it's innovations for FPS games and console FPS games. Still I think it's worthwhile commenting on how the games hold up, it shows how far gaming has come. I think it's better to comment on this rather than to be like those people that still believe Goldeneye holds up as one of the best FPS games ever. As much as I give out about Halo I can still go back to that game and play it and have loads of fun. Well until the Library level at least :P I can't really say that about goldeneye.
Also about graphics aging, if there's one thing I hate it's a crap art style. If you have a crap art style once the technology moves on your game is going to look like ass. If you've good art that works around the limitations of the hardware then the game should look great forever. Goldeneye really has terrible art (as do most games that go for a realistic setting). If a game's got **** art then I'm not going to let it get away with it. Even though Goldeneye is impressive technologically for an N64 game (I did give it credit here) it's a terrible looking game in the art department.
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Prehaps I should have said I don't want to read a page of posts arguing about Goldeneye. We've been down that road before. If you disagree with Retr0 why not write your own review and post it here?
If anyone's been down that road, its Retr0 & myself so I know what you mean
If I may ask though, is the thread to facilitate dicussion on said reviews, or simply review links?
Edit - Apologies to LoGiE, I really should be voicing my queries by pm, slap slap EnterNow.0 -
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If anyone's been down that road, its Retr0 & myself so I know what you mean If I may ask though, is the thread to facilitate dicussion on said reviews, or simply review links?
Yeah this discussion has been kind of sedate compared to usual and I'd hardly call it argung since we both seem to be agree with each other? I don't mind people discussing my reviews at all. It gives me feedback and sure I'd rather they got discussed even if people disagree with me.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Yeah this discussion has been kind of sedate compared to usual and I'd hardly call it argung since we both seem to be agree with each other?
Second tremor in the force in two days....we're gonna have to get back to arguing before the laws of causality break down.
Now before LoGiE permabans me, I shall take my leave of this thread & allow it to get back on topic 0 -
luas_dublin wrote: »Huzzah! Its another review!
Today Xybots
Cool video luas, cheers for taking the time to do it.
If I can be picky I thought it would have been useful just to briefly mention what the aim of the game is just for folk who hadn't played it before, maybe I'm the only one in that bracket though! Nice and informative it was too, you mentioned the colours on his back to show health - Dead Space used something similar if I recall correctly. Looks like a cool game, must give it a bash on mame too.
A general thanks to all for doing these reviews, it's cool when it brings a game to your attention that you haven't played before.
Now to build up the courage to read Retr0's Goldeneye review without punching the screen. 0 -
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That Xybots review has me interested in a lynx now. Looks like a great game. Never seen the original in motion, it looks amazing for its time. I wonder if the programmers could have gotten the scrolling smoother by using a raytraced engine like wolfenstein. The lynx was capable of it since it could scale and rotate images with little performance penalty and the alien vs. predator beta that is floating around shows that it was possible to do an FPS in the vein of wolfenstein 3D.
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I would prefer if the discussion stuck to reviewing techniques, video and written reviews from members and suggestions for reviews. Feedback on individual reviews (Style, layout, etc) is welcome however should someone disagree strongly with a review then they should write their own review rather then posting a rebuttal in this thread. :pac:
Thanks, at least that clarifies expectations of the thread. I genuinely was agreeing with Retr0 though (shock horror), but your right I suppose the finer details should be left for another thread Apologies 0 -
Retr0gamer wrote: »Pimping my crappy blog but put up my thoughts on Dragon Quest 1. Currently doing one on goldeneye to be controversial :P
http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/dragon-quest.html
Ok here goes, deep breath.....
Your review wasn't too bad at all actually. Some points you raised brought back fond memories of the game like the hit boxes and being able to shoot guns out of hands. I think you're probably spot on about the hit and miss level design too.
I didn't think it was accurate to compare character models or interiors to games like Mario or Starfox. Goldeneye was meant to put you in real world locations, that's apples and oranges when compared to cartoony or sci-fi settings. I'm not sure how you can spice up an underground bunker anyway. :pac:
There seemed to be a theme of comparison to pc based shooters or more modern console ones but I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not? Overall a good article, fairly balanced. Thanks for doing it! Oh and nice little article on the PAL N64 av issues.
P.S. Your new blog header was the first thing I noticed along with the VB pimping. Looks good. Would it be possible to have each game name appear when you mouse over each one? Mainly for the more obscure ones. 0 -
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Glad you thought it was balanced, it's what I was aiming for and cut out my usual hyperbole
I suppose it's not fair to compare a stylised game with one that isn't. I still don't think the art design is all that good though. One part I just thought about where I don't give the game credit is the incidental details in each room, stuff like the science equipment in the labs etc., that gave them a lived in feel. This is something you would see in build engine games like Duke 3D but for a full 3D engine game Goldeneye was the first to do it and it wasn't until a year later with Half-Life that you saw these kinds of believable environments.
As for comparing Goldeneye to PC games it wasn't deliberate it's just that there's not much to compare it to on console before Goldeneye was released. I mentioned some of the features it introduced to the FPS genre that were taken from RPG and simulation genres, genres that were at the time were almost solely confined to the PC. This isn't a slight against the game as in PC got there first, it'smore to show what Goldeneye did to spice up the FPS genre by introducing all these new elements. The mission structure was present in a few obsucre FPS games like Dark Forces and the severely underappreciated Outlaws but I found Goldeneye was a lot less linear in how you achieve these objectives and also it did this in a full 3D environment as opposed to the pseudo 3D games before it based on raycasting 2D engines.
I don't compare goldeneye to earlier FPS games because I believe at the time that Goldeneye was the most advance FPS out there in terms of the ideas it introduced to the genre. In the same year the most advanced PC FPS was Quake 2, a game that really hadn't evolved much from Quake 1. In hindsight it was more technologically advanced as well but a much uglier game thanks to some poor art and overuse of coloured lighting. The levels were not believable in the way that Goldeneye made them. I guess I didn't give goldeneye enough credit in this regard.
As for comparing it to later FPS games I was really trying to find out why the game is no longer playable. A few PC games tried to mimmick the goldeneye experience, most notably Sin which was decent but a week later the big game changer came along, Half-Life which really overnight changed the way FPS games were made and set the quality bar so much higher that it was another year before games were even coming close to the quality of that game. It really just left goldeneye and ever other 3D engine based FPS behind and made us demand far more from FPS games. I feel the 2D engine games have aged more gracefully due to being unique experiences from 3D engine games.
I feel also the frame rate is a big factor. It was forgiveable when Goldeneye was released because you were getting the best FPS experience around at the time. However as it was surpassed by better games which also had smoother feeling controls due to stable 30+ frames per second it becomes less forgiveable in goldeneye.
Anyway that was practically another blog post!
As for the blog header, doing something like that would be beyond my capabilities so I'll just list them here:
Top row from the right: Virtual boy, Actraiser 2, Earthbound, Persona 4, Super Metroid
Bottom row from the right: Shin Megami Tensei, Donkey Kong, Catherine, Dragon Quest 8, lastly my old videogame set up
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