Get rid of the angelus?

Jess16

To be honest, I think this is less to do with the Angelus and more to do with whinging opportunists simply waiting to grind their axe.

Seriously, to what extent can a meagre two minutes per day actually impact on someone's life? And if it does, why are you watching in the first place?

It seems we're all too willing to go out of our way to cater for minority groups in this country yet people are pilloried for wanting to support our own culture

Amhran Nua

ScumLord wrote: »

Lapse Catholics that barely go to church and are probably going to hell if held to the exact standards of the church.

If the church was held to the exact standards of the church no sinner need fear hellfire, they can just stand on the heads of the priests.

Jess16 wrote: »

our own culture

What it supposedly stood for, morality and spiritualism, may have been a part of our culture once, but what the church actually stands for is not part of our culture, and never has been.

I'll come clean here, I'm a spiritual man. I believe that we are more than the sum of our parts, and that something of us persists after we depart this mortal coil. What happens then, I don't know, I've studied every major religion and quite a few that I doubt anyone reading this thread has even heard of. No doubt that will curl many a lip, but that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I don't genuinely think anyone has the right answer, not the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Christians, nor the Muslims. Is there an all powerful god? I don't know.

What I do know is that the self perpetuating financial corporation that is the Catholic church doesn't represent any god I'd like to pray to, and I don't understand how any right thinking person could imagine otherwise.

Mickeroo

But if we got rid of the angelus the six one news would end up being at six o'clock? Anarchy would surely be the result.

Pretty_Pistol

Get rid! I hate the angelus with a passion. Awful sound.

johnners2981

Jess16 wrote: »

To be honest, I think this is less to do with the Angelus and more to do with whinging opportunists simply waiting to grind their axe.

Seriously, to what extent can a meagre two minutes per day actually impact on someone's life? And if it does, why are you watching in the first place?

It seems we're all too willing to go out of our way to cater for minority groups in this country yet people are pilloried for wanting to support our own culture

Minority groups, I don't think so. Seriously how many people actually believe in a god anymore.

Sure the census might say the majority are catholic but that's because mammys all over Ireland fill it in for their precious little god believing children.

I have to say I lose respect for a young person who believes in god, are they really that thick

OPENROAD

Jess16 wrote: »

To be honest, I think this is less to do with the Angelus and more to do with whinging opportunists simply waiting to grind their axe.

Seriously, to what extent can a meagre two minutes per day actually impact on someone's life? And if it does, why are you watching in the first place?

It seems we're all too willing to go out of our way to cater for minority groups in this country yet people are pilloried for wanting to support our own culture

I don't see the relevance to be honest of that in terms of this discussion.

vicwatson

Get rid of it. And the dam bongs at 12.00 noon on Radio One. Bloody annoying.

ScumLord

Amhran Nua wrote: »

I don't genuinely think anyone has the right answer, not the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Christians, nor the Muslims. Is there an all powerful god? I don't know.

And that's part of the problem with most religion, they basically stopped looking for god and accepted what they where told no matter how much it flew in the face of what actually happens in gods world. Science is the closest anyone will get to understanding god, should he exist.

Owldshtok

Don't know if this has been said already but Ireland and Iran are the only two countries in the world that have a televised call to prayer.

I'm not religious at all,but I don't think it should go - its always been there and it doesn't do any harm,apart from maybe offending ultra-atheists.

BTW The sound of church bells can be pleasant but I never seem to hear them anywhere these days..

Mickeroo

johnners2981 wrote: »

I have to say I lose respect for a young person who believes in god, are they really that thick

I'm an atheist but believing in god is perfectly fine and not something that should earn a lack of respect. I'm friends with people who genuinely think come dine with me is a good tv show and thats way way way worse than believing in god IMO :pac:

Amhran Nua

ScumLord wrote: »

Science is the closest anyone will get to understanding god, should he exist.

Sure, but science is unlikely to discover either eternal life or the secrets of the afterlife, should they exist, before I get there, so you have to make up your own mind at this stage of the game.

mossyc123

johnners2981 wrote: »

Minority groups, I don't think so. Seriously how many people actually believe in a god anymore.

Sure the census might say the majority are catholic but that's because mammys all over Ireland fill it in for their precious little god believing children.

I have to say I lose respect for a young person who believes in god, are they really that thick

Do you realise how ridicilous you sound?

Tens of thousands of years of human civilization, billions of people who have lived on earth throughout history, trying to figure out the answer to the question...

"Is there A God?"

... and you have the final conclusive answer?!

In fairness I could put this response to many posts on this site day-in, day-out but it wouldn't really make a difference.

You CAN'T possibly know now, you WON'T possibly know ever.

You claim to know the answer to the Big Question... are you really that thick?

Mickeroo

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Sure, but science is unlikely to discover either eternal life or the secrets of the afterlife, should they exist, before I get there, so you have to make up your own mind at this stage of the game.

Well we don't have to make up our minds at this stage at all really though do we, since there's no way of knowing, whatever will be will be and all that.

IrishEyes19

Its frikin amazing, how will all the actually serious problems we have in this country, some people would have to find a problem with the Angelus being played on tv, which I will add you dont have to watch. Its about as silly now when there as hype over taking down a nativity in the hospital and so on. People are just looking to argue over religion simple as. And it amazes me how they pick the least most important aspects.

Most important aspects: The clerical abuse, that is something to be raging over and right too. Its horrendous.

But having the angelus and nativity sets in public?? Its no harm to anyone, no is forced to sit in front of either, and yet there are those in society who would bring such things to court and that is fact. Riddiculous. :rolleyes:

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IrishEyes19 wrote: »

Its frikin amazing, how will all the actually serious problems we have in this country, some people would have to find a problem with the Angelus being played on tv, which I will add you dont have to watch. Its about as silly now when there as hype over taking down a nativity in the hospital and so on. People are just looking to argue over religion simple as. And it amazes me how they pick the least most important aspects.

Most important aspects: The clerical abuse, that is something to be raging over and right too. Its horrendous.

But having the angelus and nativity sets in public?? Its no harm to anyone, no is forced to sit in front of either, and yet there are those in society who would bring such things to court and that is fact. Riddiculous. :rolleyes:

Would you be annoyed if there was Muslim religious symbols everywhere?

Anyway, we're a republic, that means that no religion is given any preference. Anything that receives state money cannot endorse any religion, it's indisputable.

Is it the most important issue at the moment..Of course not. It doesn't mean people can't have a view on it.

johnners2981

mossyc123 wrote: »

Do you realise how ridicilous you sound?

Tens of thousands of years of human civilization, billions of people who have lived on earth throughout history, trying to figure out the answer to the question...

"Is there A God?"

... and you have the final conclusive answer?!

In fairness I could put this response to many posts on this site day-in, day-out but it wouldn't really make a difference.

You CAN'T possibly know now, you WON'T possibly know ever.

You claim to know the answer to the Big Question... are you really that thick?

When did I claim to know the answer?

Show me some proof of god. What if I started going on about my invisible friend simon who I talk to in my head, yeah you'd think I was crazy. Thats what I think of religious people.

To be honest I wouldn't give a damn about religion but its forced into my life, just like the angelus. Why should I have to baptise my kids to make sure they get accepted into a school, why should my kids be taught religion?

Duggy747

The Angelus is really at the bottom of the list of things I care about in this country.

It's a prominent Catholic country, let the Catholics have their one minute of television.

The only thing I see people do with it anyways is bless themselves when it comes on. Hardly an oppressing movement against the rest of us.

mossyc123

hotmail.com wrote: »

Anyway, we're a republic, that means that no religion is given any preference. Anything that receives state money cannot endorse any religion, it's indisputable.

Could you provide a link to back up that "indisputable" statement.

Is it in our constitution... or... where?

ColeTrain

Get rid of it and while we're at it, lets do away with the Catholic schools, alcohol bans on 'Good Friday' and anything else involving religion and state.
I've no problem with people practicing religion but let them do it on their own accord.

johnners2981

mossyc123 wrote: »

Could you provide a link to back up that "indisputable" statement.

Is it in our constitution... or... where?

It's called life experience. Just because it has never happened to you doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Maybe you're not aware that a lot of schools are still owned and run by the church.
In some places bishops get the final say on teacher positions so good luck getting a job as a teacher if you're an atheist.

Religion should be a personal thing so its about time our government and schools had nothing to do with it

mossyc123

johnners2981 wrote: »

When did I claim to know the answer?

Show me some proof of god. What if I started going on about my invisible friend simon who I talk to in my head, yeah you'd think I was crazy. Thats what I think of religious people.

To be honest I wouldn't give a damn about religion but its forced into my life, just like the angelus. Why should I have to baptise my kids to make sure they get accepted into a school, why should my kids be taught religion?

You obviously do care a bit about Religion if you see the Angelus on TV and your kids learning about Religion in school as some sort of a major problem.

Relax and go with the flow, the education system under R Quinn will see significant secularisation over the next while.

There are more important things to be worrying about, like the fact that your kids will be paying massive taxes (if they manage to get a job) because of leadership failures in political and financial institutions over the last few years.

Jess16

Amhran Nua wrote: »

What I do know is that the self perpetuating financial corporation that is the Catholic church doesn't represent any god I'd like to pray to, and I don't understand how any right thinking person could imagine otherwise.

And I can't understand why anyone would watch Eastenders but there you go. This isn't about us and our individual preferences, it's about majority rule taking precedence, which is a basic principle of human living.

And until the 2011 census figures are published, then Catholicism presides as the clear majority here in Ireland Therefore its customs and beliefs are the ones that are predominantly practiced and mirrored in our society, whilst others are fairly acknowledged,tolerated and afforded every opportunity for assimilation.

Of course not all people belong to the Catholic faith but unless they wish to devote themselves to endlessly fighting the power, they should learn to simply accept the dominant traditions of their environment or reside somewhere where their choices are prioritised.

Essentially, as long as there is human decision, there will be a complex and unequal distribution of preference. Since it isn't feasible to cater to all tastes in the manner which people want, we deal with this by prioritising the majority whilst being inclusive of the minority.

This is a fair and considered sociological practice and if there's a better proposal, I think it would have been implemented by now.

johnners2981

mossyc123 wrote: »

You obviously do care a bit about Religion if you see the Angelus on TV and your kids learning about Religion in school as some sort of a major problem.

Relax and go with the flow, the education system under R Quinn will see significant secularisation over the next while.

There are more important things to be worrying about, like the fact that your kids will be paying massive taxes (if they manage to get a job) because of leadership failures in political and financial institutions over the last few years.

You're good at putting words in my mouth, I never said it was a major problem. Its an annoyance if and when I think about it but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

And I said I wouldn't care about religion if it wasn't inflicted on me, I don't care about what people want to believe in as long as it doesn't affect me.

k.p.h

When someone under the age of 30 tells me they are religious my first thought usually is "whats wrong here" and I look for the deficiency.. either emotional or intellectual.. but it's always their..sometimes it's just an inability to think independently .. sometimes it's not their fault .. but their is no denying it ..

I think we should leave it their for now .. for the old folks and all that .. but it is really disturbing that out national broadcaster which we are taxed to fund can have something so insulting and discriminating on tv everyday..

Mickeroo

k.p.h wrote: »

When someone under the age of 30 tells me they are religious my first thought usually is "whats wrong here" and I look for the deficiency.. either emotional or intellectual.. but it's always their..sometimes it's just an inability to think independently .. sometimes it's not their fault .. but their is no denying it ..

I think we should leave it their for now .. for the old folks and all that .. but it is really disturbing that out national broadcaster which we are taxed to fund can have something so insulting and discriminating on tv everyday..

Are you deliberately mis-using the word "their" to get a rise? because it's working :pac:

johnners2981

Jess16 wrote: »

And I can't understand why anyone would watch Eastenders but there you go. This isn't about us and our individual preferences, it's about majority rule taking precedence, which is a basic principle of human living.

And until the 2011 census figures are published, then Catholicism presides as the clear majority here in Ireland Therefore its customs and beliefs are the ones that are predominantly practiced and mirrored in our society, whilst others are fairly acknowledged,tolerated and afforded every opportunity for assimilation.

Of course not all people belong to the Catholic faith but unless they wish to devote themselves to endlessly fighting the power, they should learn to simply accept the dominant traditions of their environment or reside somewhere where their choices are prioritised.

Essentially, as long as there is human decision, there will be a complex and unequal distribution of preference. Since it isn't feasible to cater to all tastes in the manner which people want, we deal with this by prioritising the majority whilst being inclusive of the minority.

This is a fair and considered sociological practice and if there's a better proposal, I think it would have been implemented by now.

That's a load of rubbish.

So in america black people should of just "accepted the individual preferences of the dominant traditions" of the white people because they were the majority and all moved to a different place to leave the white people in peace?

"Since it isn't feasible to cater to all tastes in the manner which people want"
Of course It is feasible, individual preferences should be exactly that, individual.

You are one of the most ignorant people I've ever come across.

"I think" I think you should stop thinking before you type some more utter rubbish

ColeTrain

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

Its frikin amazing, how will all the actually serious problems we have in this country, some people would have to find a problem with the Angelus being played on tv, which I will add you dont have to watch. Its about as silly now when there as hype over taking down a nativity in the hospital and so on. People are just looking to argue over religion simple as. And it amazes me how they pick the least most important aspects.

Most important aspects: The clerical abuse, that is something to be raging over and right too. Its horrendous.

But having the angelus and nativity sets in public?? Its no harm to anyone, no is forced to sit in front of either, and yet there are those in society who would bring such things to court and that is fact. Riddiculous. :rolleyes:

I can't say I care that much but it's the principle of the matter. Most people don't care about the minute but they're fully entitled to think that the state should be free of all religion including the ding dong.
Let all the Catholics get their tape players out and play the thing recorded of the TV or better yet buy their own bell, so they can do create their godly sound - maybe go for two minutes if they're feeling mad. Point is if their faith is strong enough then it won't be an issue either way.

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mossyc123 wrote: »

Could you provide a link to back up that "indisputable" statement.

Is it in our constitution... or... where?

Republic of Ireland is the hint.

A republic doesn't give any preference to any religion.

Jess16

johnners2981 wrote: »

That's a load of rubbish.

So in america black people should of just "accepted the individual preferences of the dominant traditions" of the white people because they were the majority and all moved to a different place to leave the white people in peace?

"Since it isn't feasible to cater to all tastes in the manner which people want"
Of course It is feasible, individual preferences should be exactly that, individual.

You are one of the most ignorant people I've ever come across.

"I think" I think you should stop thinking before you type some more utter rubbish

Do you actually have any substantial point to make, besides attacking and misquoting me to push your own misguided agenda?

My points on equality of opportunity, tolerance and inclusivity have clearly sailed right over your head.

Irish Guitarist

These kind of threads are fun if you just read the first post and then a random post from the last page. You can turn it into a little game and try to guess how the thread progressed from asking if The Angelus should be banned to talking about the struggle of black people in America.

Executive Steve

hotmail.com wrote: »

Anyway, we're a republic, that means that no religion is given any preference. Anything that receives state money cannot endorse any religion, it's indisputable.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Republic of Ireland is the hint.

A republic doesn't give any preference to any religion.

Actually, strictly speaking, there's absolutely nothing implicit in the idea of a Republic that it can not or should not endorse any particular religion; obviously most people are familiar with the United States constitution which specifically prohibits their state from meddling with religious affairs, but the preamble to the Irish constitution very explicitly states:

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

In the same way Iran is an (Islamic) Republic, our state was founded as a Catholic Republic - although because the founders of our state had a very limited knowledge of politics they chose not to make a true Republic with seperate branches for the Executive, Legislative and Legal branches, but instead copied the old Parliamentary Monarchy system with an elected "President" instead of a royal family.

Hope this helps.

itac

So, from what I can deduce over the last 13 pages of well reasoned debate, people take issue with the fact it's a call to prayer?

So if they get rid of "DONG....DONG...." and religious imagery (which I think they have?); all we have left is a pause for the thought kinda piece....?

Would that make anti-Angelus peoples happier?

Joey the lips

oh no it isnt...... :P

Solair

While it's not the most important thing in Church-State separation it is a highly symbolic one.

It's quite shocking that in 2011 we still have what is really a hark back to the era of Dev and Archbishop John Charles McQuaid - a very dark era of state/church oppression in Ireland that completely derailed Irish republican values, replacing them with a quasi-theocracy.

I think it's long past due that our public service broadcaster dropped this. It's not religious programming, which is a far more broad and inclusive thing. It's a twice daily call to prayer which is exclusively Roman Catholic, despite the spin and fancy secular video clips used to dress it up.

RTE is a state service. I don't see this as any different to pausing your 6pm Dublin-Cork InterCity rail service while CIE plays bongs and asks people to bless themselves. It simply wouldn't happen in this day and age, but for some reason when RTE does it, it's fine.

It's not about being anti-Catholic or anti-anything. The state broadcaster is supposed to be a neutral space. It should not be endorsing any religion or any private organisation by giving it a 1 min prime time advertising slot on radio and on TV daily.

I wonder how much that's worth, if I were to pay for a prime time ad slot 1 min before the main evening news?

Will they be rolling this free ad service to other faiths?

Freddie59

johnners2981 wrote: »

Show me some proof of god. What if I started going on about my invisible friend simon who I talk to in my head, yeah you'd think I was crazy. Thats what I think of religious people.

So it's not just about the angelus (as usual:rolleyes:). It's about belittling people of faith who don't bother you. I accept that you do not believe - but will not castigate or ridicule you for it. It is your own business. all I (and others like me ) ask is that you reciprocate this.

johnners2981 wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't give a damn about religion but its forced into my life, just like the angelus. Why should I have to baptise my kids to make sure they get accepted into a school, why should my kids be taught religion?

Hmm. "Forced" into your life. I take it then that you have allowed your children to be baptised, and receive the sacraments. You submitted them for acceptance to that school. If I were that bothered I would go to the ends of the Earth to put them in a different school. But that's just me.;):)

And as for the Angelus? There is a mute button, and - gasp:eek: - an off button on your TV set.

Freddie59

ColeTrain wrote: »

Get rid of it and while we're at it, lets do away with the Catholic schools, alcohol bans on 'Good Friday' and anything else involving religion and state.
I've no problem with people practicing religion but let them do it on their own accord.

Yeah. Get rid of the schools without which any of us would not have received an education.:rolleyes: Old saying: "eaten bread is soon forgotten". How very true.

Freddie59

Jess16 wrote: »

To be honest, I think this is less to do with the Angelus and more to do with whinging opportunists simply waiting to grind their axe.

Seriously, to what extent can a meagre two minutes per day actually impact on someone's life? And if it does, why are you watching in the first place?

It seems we're all too willing to go out of our way to cater for minority groups in this country yet people are pilloried for wanting to support our own culture

Very well put.

Freddie59

johnners2981 wrote: »

Minority groups, I don't think so. Seriously how many people actually believe in a god anymore.

Sure the census might say the majority are catholic but that's because mammys all over Ireland fill it in for their precious little god believing children.

I have to say I lose respect for a young person who believes in god, are they really that thick

My, you are so antagonised - for whatever reason. Your 'opinion' on our young people leaves an awful lot to be desired really. I find it quite repugnant.

Their 'God believing little children'. I must say you have an extremely polarised view of modern Irish society if that is what you really think.

Freddie59

ScumLord wrote: »

And that's part of the problem with most religion, they basically stopped looking for god and accepted what they where told no matter how much it flew in the face of what actually happens in gods world. Science is the closest anyone will get to understanding god, should he exist.

This would be the Science that preaches that there was nothing; then there was everything - and nobody did it?:p

Oh - I forgot. They're now claiming that the Universe was originally 45cm long............:rolleyes:

Freddie59

Ghost Buster wrote: »

A country where a bare and dwindling majority call them selves catholic

optogirl

mossyc123 wrote: »

your kids learning about Religion in school as some sort of a major problem.


There are more important things to be worrying about, like the fact that your kids will be paying massive taxes (if they manage to get a job) because of leadership failures in political and financial institutions over the last few years.

You just don't understand the fact that for those of us who want nothing to do with religion, our kids being indoctrined is offensive. Often we have little or no choice in this. Religious people bang on about having respect for their beliefs, can you not see that we would like some respect for ours too?

doomed

Compromise: Change the tune.

Many years ago Laurel and Hardy visited Cork and the shandon bells played their theme tune. Do that with the angelus. Kind of appropriate given where the country has found itself.

Amhran Nua

Jess16 wrote: »

Therefore its customs and beliefs are the ones that are predominantly practiced

I must have missed where the bible said "thou shalt have a donging bell on before the six o'clock news every night".

Jess16 wrote: »

Of course not all people belong to the Catholic faith but unless they wish to devote themselves to endlessly fighting the power, they should learn to simply accept the dominant traditions of their environment or reside somewhere where their choices are prioritised.

There was an Ireland long before the Catholic church existed, and I absolutely guarantee there will be an Ireland long after the Catholic church is consigned to dusty history books for people to shake their heads and marvel at.

Jess16 wrote: »

we deal with this by prioritising the majority whilst being inclusive of the minority.

From the poll above though, as far as we are aware, there doesn't appear to be majority support for the Angelus. Have you any other sources of information on the matter? I don't mean how many are Catholic, since the donging bell in this case isn't an essential part of Catholic rites or traditions.

Paparazzo

They should red button it. If rte knew exactly how many people would actually press a button to watch it by choice it would be gone in a flash.

OldGoat

How many times does the bell peal in the minute?

Pace2008

Freddie59 wrote: »

You've not got your ear to ground with the youth, lad, if you think the Church's days in Ireland aren't numbered.

Freddie59 wrote: »

This would be the Science that preaches that there was nothing; then there was everything - and nobody did it?

HERP DERP, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT SO IT MAKES NO SENSE

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Executive Steve wrote: »

Actually, strictly speaking, there's absolutely nothing implicit in the idea of a Republic that it can not or should not endorse any particular religion; obviously most people are familiar with the United States constitution which specifically prohibits their state from meddling with religious affairs, but the preamble to the Irish constitution very explicitly states:




In the same way Iran is an (Islamic) Republic, our state was founded as a Catholic Republic - although because the founders of our state had a very limited knowledge of politics they chose not to make a true Republic with seperate branches for the Executive, Legislative and Legal branches, but instead copied the old Parliamentary Monarchy system with an elected "President" instead of a royal family.

Hope this helps.

All that quote shows is that the writers of the constitution were religious and believed in a god. As were some of the writers of the US constitution. It does not specify any preference for one religion and the part that mentioned giving the Catholic religion a "special position" was removed in a 1969 referendum.

So you are factually wrong. This is a republic and it's just taking us longer to actually understand what that term means...it does not mean anti-monarch, it means everyone is treated equally regardless of religion, class, background etc.

Irish people need to be schooled on that definition.

mossyc123

optogirl wrote: »

You just don't understand the fact that for those of us who want nothing to do with religion, our kids being indoctrined is offensive. Often we have little or no choice in this. Religious people bang on about having respect for their beliefs, can you not see that we would like some respect for ours too?

Your kids, if they can't manage to get to an Educate Together School, can sit out Communion & Confirmation Preperation.

If there really is this so called overwhelming majority who don't want anything to do with Catholic faith those kids will soon be the majority and those preparing for the Sacraments the minority.

As for morning prayers, the angelus, etc are these really observed in schools at all these days?

If they are you have grounds for some grievance as this isn't fair on non-religious parents and kids.

To be honest though, I would say it is the exception rather then the rule these days.

mossyc123

hotmail.com wrote: »

All that quote shows is that the writers of the constitution were religious and believed in a god. As were some of the writers of the US constitution. It does not specify any preference for one religion and the part that mentioned giving the Catholic religion a "special position" was removed in a 1969 referendum.

So you are factually wrong. This is a republic and it's just taking us longer to actually understand what that term means...it does not mean anti-monarch, it means everyone is treated equally regardless of religion, class, background etc.

Irish people need to be schooled on that definition.

Definition of Republic:

A Republic is a Democracy without a Monarch as Head of State.

Your just interpreting the meaning to suit your own ends.

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mossyc123 wrote: »

Definition of Republic:

A Republic is a Democracy without a Monarch as Head of State.

Your just interpreting the meaning to suit your own ends.

Wolfe Tone's interpretation of a republic. And many many others.

The consequence of everyone being treated equally is that there is no monarchy.

Edit: do you actually want states to give preference to the religion of the majority??