graffiti vandalism or art?

superstoner90

so here is my question , is graffiti vandalism or art? whats your thoughts?

my personal opion is i myself have been part of several graffiti operations in different places (cant say were for legal reasons)
so i like to see the odd tag and such here and there :P

altmario-7.jpg
not my work just a pic of the net

later12

I'll give you a third option: Maser. F*cking annoying at this stage.

CardBordWindow

Hard to generalise all graffiti. It depends on the location, content and the context.

Bloody Nipples

Good graffiti is worth looking at, but if you're just spraying a poorly designed representation of your own name then fúck off. 99% of all graffiti in Ireland is bollocks.

The Waltzing Consumer

I will also go with f**king annoying option. Sorry OP, but 99% of graffiti in Dublin is an absolute eyesore, stupid tags or skangers drawing on buildings/walls/public spaces. The 1% may be very good, but if I had an "all or none" option, it would be none cause the vast majority is awful.

rockmongrel

Graffiti can be brilliant, I would consider quite a bit of it art.

Tagging is ****ing moronic.

People seem to mix the two up or consider them the same thing, shame really.

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/used-to-have-art-20110503-113826.jpg

aaronjumper

I don't mind well drawn pictures.
Its the "Bullitz woz ere" or "Sharon loves John 4eva"
that I have a problem with.

AhSureTisGrand

It's all art. Most of it's shìt art though

The Waltzing Consumer

rockmongrel wrote: »

Graffiti can be brilliant, I would consider quite a bit of it art.

Tagging is ****ing moronic.

People seem to mix the two up or consider them the same thing, shame really.

eh, isn't tagging a form of graffiti?

When I was in Valencia, I would walk around the streets and get lost to discover some absolutely amazing graffiti. However, most of the time we get "x is gay!" or "y wuz 'ere"

Aodan83

The odd time you'll see one really good, inspired piece some where. THe rest of the time it's just bollox.

Tar.Aldarion

later10 wrote: »

I'll give you a third option: Maser. F*cking annoying at this stage.

They produce electromagnetic waves?


hmm well they could build a wall and use their own damn wall :mad:

Liam Byrne

If it's commissioned or requested, then it's art.

If it's just "done" by the artist on a permanent structure, then it's vandalism, by virtue of it - regardless of artistic merit or otherwise - involving defacing someone else's property.

If it looks good I don't have an issue with it on temporary hoarding - e.g. the panels that fence off unfinished building sites, etc.

The "tagging" ****e is just blatant defacement of property, signs, bridges, etc. Buy a f**king sketchpad and stop trying to make yourself feel important and "famous".

falan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4rNonP87g

Very good documentary about graffiti directed by banksy. Yes its art.

Temptamperu

when i lived in amsterdam there was a dude called lazer who had motivational sayings sprayed onto building site hoardings it really cheered me up sometimes.
Some is art, Some is just ****.

superstoner90

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I will also go with f**king annoying option. Sorry OP, but 99% of graffiti in Dublin is an absolute eyesore, stupid tags or skangers drawing on buildings/walls/public spaces. The 1% may be very good, but if I had an "all or none" option, it would be none cause the vast majority is awful.

hmmm interest i agree on the 99% being eyesore , im living in sligo (reviling my id is very risky) but my friend and his cousin are great at it...:D

The Waltzing Consumer

falan wrote: »

Very good documentary about graffiti directed by banksy. Yes its art.

Banksy sucks. He may have had a few nice thoughts at the start, but for the last couple of years, he is as graffiti-ish as a topshop billboard. He is now just a commercial gimmick and has turned some nice original ideas into family guy style imagery, take random imagery into something shocking.

So a typical banksy thing:
1) take a pillar of society = royal family, police, politicians etc.
2) put something crazy there for a pop culture political reference :rolleyes: = the queen as Fagan in Oliver Twist, the police kissing, the house of commons as a ghetto
3) profit

The Waltzing Consumer

superstoner90 wrote: »

hmmm interest i agree on the 99% being eyesore , im living in sligo (reviling my id is very risky) but my friend and his cousin are great at it...:D

Well anything you and your cousin do is bound to be artistic when it comes to the background that is Sligo town

Kidding, good luck with it, but no law breaking mister! :pac:

Mr. Presentable

On the painter's own wall, possibly art. On mine, vandalism.

superstoner90

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well anything you and your cousin do is bound to be artistic when it comes to the background that is Sligo town

Kidding, good luck with it, but no law breaking mister! :pac:

law breaker me? never

Liam Byrne

superstoner90 wrote: »

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I will also go with f**king annoying option. Sorry OP, but 99% of graffiti in Dublin is an absolute eyesore, stupid tags or skangers drawing on buildings/walls/public spaces. The 1% may be very good, but if I had an "all or none" option, it would be none cause the vast majority is awful.

hmmm interest i agree on the 99% being eyesore , im living in sligo (reviling my id is very risky) but my friend and his cousin are great at it...:D

Your ID would only be "reviled" if it were a so-called "tag" defacing someone else's property.

superstoner90

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well anything you and your cousin do is bound to be artistic when it comes to the background that is Sligo town

Kidding, good luck with it, but no law breaking mister! :pac:

law breaking??? , me?? :eek: never:D

superstoner90

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Your ID would only be "reviled" if it were a so-called "tag" defacing someone else's property.

hmmm you got a good point

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Vandalism.

Art.

later12

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

They produce electromagnetic waves?

Maser is a Dublin graffiti artist who imitates genuinely talented graffiti artists and collaborates with *actual* artists to reproduce their words.

Vogue Wilson shagged him, that should be telling enough...

Run_to_da_hills

Similar thread in communication & Transport forum a few years ago..


Graffiti, is it an art or just vandalism?

Obelisk

Art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMKRWIP1pjM

Aoifey!

Some graffiti can be absolutely amazing and make an area look so much better. Well done graffiti should be admired and respected as any other for of art would be.

However poorly scrawled messages or names on a wall just make the area look like crap.

Kylo Ren

Some Graffiti = Art

Some Graffiti = Vandalism

/Thread

Caliden

falan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4rNonP87g

Very good documentary about graffiti directed by banksy. Yes its art.

Great documentary.
Pretty hilarious listening to the rich folks crawling over each other to get some of his work after he became 'famous' and was great to see that almost anyone can become a modern artist once you have the right connections.

Recognition through repetition.

Executive Steve

Creative Vandalism.

FlutterinBantam

superstoner90 wrote: »

so here is my question , is graffiti vandalism or art? whats your thoughts?

my personal opion is i myself have been part of several graffiti operations in different places (cant say were for legal reasons)
so i like to see the odd tag and such here and there :P

altmario-7.jpg
not my work just a pic of the net

Pure vandalism, if you want it considered as art build your own walls and then try to sell them.

Total wasters who could put their 'skills' to better use.

superstoner90

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Pure vandalism, if you want it considered as art build your own walls and then try to sell them.

Total wasters who could put their 'skills' to better use.

I personaly think that it looks good on a wall in a town or something

Irish Guitarist

It's vandalism. Even if it's well done it's still vandalism unless you have permission to do it.

What I really hate is when morons go to a really beautiful scenic place and write nonsense everywhere.

booboo88

depends of the graffiti, if its just some young one and who she loves that weekend then its vandalism. theres a car park in cork that is wall to wall graffiti and it really brightens the place up

MrThrifty

Agree it's generally vandalism, but would add that typically it's a narcissistic idiot's way of stating 'hey, look at me, I'm great aren't I?'!

My name is URL

Even the crappiest of graffiti is sometimes better than art

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/attachments/just-fun/18102d1193161646-best-graffiti-graffiti-9.jpg

paddyandy

A lot of mischief resides comfortably in the twilight zone of meanings these days.The real problem is that one sector of society enjoys annoying the other and it's not lost to the marketing execs. around fitzwilliam square where a lot of our problems are nurtured.Everthing is designed to annoy.

superstoner90

MrThrifty wrote: »

Agree it's generally vandalism, but would add that typically it's a narcissistic idiot's way of stating 'hey, look at me, I'm great aren't I?'!

agree 100%

Herb Powell

Don't really like graffiti myself, but I wouldn't be pissed off about it

Cianos

superstoner90 wrote: »

so here is my question , is graffiti vandalism or art?

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Spread

Graffiti? Art with a capital F.

superstoner90

My name is URL wrote: »

Even the crappiest of graffiti is sometimes better than art

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/attachments/just-fun/18102d1193161646-best-graffiti-graffiti-9.jpg

haha i like it

leeroybrown

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Pure vandalism, if you want it considered as art build your own walls and then try to sell them.

If the owner of the wall grants permission and there's no planning issue then it's not vandalism in any way. I've seen loads of good commissions over the years. Any kind of tagging is utter shíte tho.

Logical Fallacy

It can be both.

One thing that has been bugging me lately is people complaining about famous pieces being painted over or damaged. It's a case of tough ****, you put your art in a public space or on someone elses property...**** happens.

There are some truly amazing graff artists out there though and i very much admire and appreciate what they do.

jakobgallagher

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GHHVJSVGuiE/TGk6F-cGDvI/AAAAAAAACGE/09P_SFDO1RE/s1600/GreedScars.jpg
Im quite fond of this

bluto63

Most of it is utter shite tbh. Although there are the odd exceptions, pretty much just Banksy, from what I can see in this thread.

OldGoat

Hate it with a passion. If graffiti artists think their work has value then why not put it on canvas and sell it from a gallery? At least that way I don't have it making my city look like a creche on finger painting day.

Cianos

OldGoat wrote: »

Hate it with a passion. If graffiti artists think their work has value then why not put it on canvas and sell it from a gallery? At least that way I don't have it making my city look like a creche on finger painting day.

Not all art is made to be sold. I thought that'd be fairly obvious from the medium/context of graffiti.

Slunk

Most of it in Dublin is pretty ****. In Melbourne at the moment and there's some amazing stuff on the walls. All along the train line too. Seen a nice piece on a city wall in Sydney a few times which would be painted over then graffiti again. Eventually it was just left there accompanied by the line 'they keep painting - we keep painting', made me laugh.
Was very well done though. Wouldn't mind it on the side of my house

mikemac

I like the guys who do pictures like space and planets and other work with their spray cans.
You can meet them around Dublin and buy from them.
Now they are artists.

Very rare you'll find graffiti of quality, it does exist but mostly the locals are just tagging their names.
**** off, it's not as if they'd do that on their own property