Do you judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs?

IamtheWalrus

I do. The exception being people who have a trade, own their own business, making something of themselves, etc.

But I judge people who prefer not to go to college because they prefer to make money after school. People like receptionists. They must make very little in terms of salary. Why wouldn't they wait 3/4 years, get a degree and double their salary.

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

I know some people don't go to college because they can't afored it but they are in the minority. I'm guessing most just want cash as soon as possible.

Am I harsh?

Wolfe Tone

I only have a little laugh to myself if said people where scumbag waster dickheads in school.

My name is URL

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

What sort of group?

Am I harsh?

Yes

who cares

UrbanSea

Good for you.


I know people who never even did their leaving cert and are more intelligent and hard working than people with some degrees.

Why would you look down on them? Unless you're an arrogant prick.

Chuck Stone

Just goes to show that college does not purge people of stupid prejudices like you have.

py2006

Not everybody is academically inclined!

Gary4279

Don't judge them as such. So long as they ain't sitting on their arses all day.

What do you mean by 'college'? Because there is a world of difference between say Trinity, and for example Borris in Ossory IT.

ResearchWill

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I do. The exception being people who have a trade, own their own business, making something of themselves, etc.

But I judge people who prefer not to go to college because they prefer to make money after school. People like receptionists. They must make very little in terms of salary. Why wouldn't they wait 3/4 years, get a degree and double their salary.

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

I know some people don't go to college because they can't afored it but they are in the minority. I'm guessing most just want cash as soon as possible.

Am I harsh?

Yup a bit harsh, not everyone wants to go to college straight after leaving or at all. I know many people who left school say 5 to 10 years age became receptionists in solicitors now earning 30k a year, some of their friends who went to study law and do blackhall, can not get jobs as solicitors, or if the do they are earning 30k a year.

So each to their own, some just don't want to go to college, and it would be a very boring world if everyone did. Also thankfully in Ireland if you change your mind at any age you can then go to uni.

IamtheWalrus

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you mean by 'college'? Because there is a world of difference between say Trinity, and for example Borris in Ossory IT.

Get a degree or something similiar.

Mr. Manager

As posted in another thread recently, I never finished a year of college (tried 3 times) and I have a great job. Fantastic salary, amazing benefits and perks.

Plus it's relating to something I have a huge interest in.

College doesn't necessarily mean big salaries. My brother completed his Masters in Civil & Structural Engineering last year and now works behind the tills in Spar.

5 years of college for that? No thanks.

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Am I harsh?

Yes.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you mean by 'college'? Because there is a world of difference between say Trinity, and for example Borris in Ossory IT.

yeah ones full of cúnts, the others in borris in ossory

Richard Hillman

I do yes. Its the 1st question i ask people even before their name. If they say no i wont bother with their name. I even ask people that sit beside me on the bus if they have gone to college. If they say no, they cant sit beside me.

Saila

no, only people who think money is everything

IamtheWalrus

I'm not talking about people who didn't go to college yet still get good jobs. That's just as good as not going. I'm talking about people who settle for a low paying job. If they only waited a few years they could be so much better off financially.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Some people can't go to college because of family reasons at home or the financial reasons which leaves them in no-man land if they are above the threshold to get a grant or there's lack of part-time work out there to help them pay their way through college.

The introduction of fees is on the horizon which could push more people out of the system,leaving the well off not affected.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yeah ones full of cúnts, the others in borris in ossory

Boom boom

locked_out

Barring some exceptions, College is merely a form of insurance for a potential employer. They really don't give a **** what you have learnt for the most part, just that you can jump through hoops and please your superiors. Who says you can't learn the subjects outside of their priestly enclaves?

Well I think you've got things a bit confused.

Of course it's acceptable to think little of your friend, because she's basically killing time until she can use a relationship to make money. I wouldn't have much respect for someone whose plan A is to marry into money and stop working.

But to say that your problem with that situation is that she's not going to college? That's not just harsh, that's ridiculous. College education, or the lack of, is not the problem there.

Actually I think the assumption that college is the right move for everyone is a little dim/snobby.

IamtheWalrus

Ailani Strong Caterpillar wrote: »

Some people can't go to college because...

Again, not talking about those people. It's the ones who could have went but decided not to.

Niles

The need for college is way overrated. I mean, a lot of people do courses like Arts just for the sake of it (I'm an Arts grad myself so I'm not dissing people for doing Arts). One sees jobs listed that "require degrees" but when it comes down to it they could just as easily be done by someone just out of school. I think it's an artificial economy really, in the Celtic Tiger era more and more people started going to college, so more and more people on the job market had degrees, so degrees become a "requirement" even if what's learnt in them doesn't really qualify one for the job anymore than their Leaving Cert does. There is kind of an idea out there that "you need to go college", the whole education system is built around it (Leaving Cert points, etc). I think that more of an emphasis should be placed on practical work skills than academia for academia's sake.

So no, I don't look down on people who don't go to college.

College is absolutely not for everyone. Judging someone who didn't go is pointless, just get on with your own life. And anway, a degree on its own is worth feck-all these days anyway

Logical Fallacy

I got a job that required a Degree and a Masters with neither qualification.

I felt sorry for the poor spanners who went through 5-6 years of college only to be beaten to the punch by a guy who did nothing more than show an ability to learn, do the job well and work hard. On the job training is the bizzle.

Pho rizzle.

dublin daz

College isn't for everyone.

If everyone wanted to go to college and no be 'receptionists' who would do these jobs?

Also, just because someone is a receptionist, does not mean they did not go to college.

As someone said their brother has a masters degree in civil engineering and work on a till.

I think we should judge ourselves before we judge others.

I don't think college gives anyone superiority.

Tonto86

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Am I harsh?

Yes... and your a dick

So you judge people not by the fact they're earning but how much they're earning?

I hate to break it to you, but the country is in the sh.itter and having a degree will not guarantee you a higer salary anymore. In fact I look down on you because you only have a degree...where's the masters, PhD, post-doc???:rolleyes::rolleyes:

c0rk3r

This says alot more about you know than anything else

Whats awaiting a graduate when they leave college anyway? Very low prospects for a job, government internships, further studies (paid phd or €5k masters) or emigration. I received a degree on don't hold them on any pedestal because they dont deserve one.

Da Shins Kelly

Not really, unless they're wasters who didn't go to college simply because they couldn't be bothered and want to sponge off the dole for the rest of their lives.

And to be honest, I feel like a lot of people judge people who go to college too, with this whole 'What are you gonna do with that degree?' and 'Why don't you get a job, sure aren't you just gonna finish college with a useless degree and have no job?' Some people like college, like some people don't. It seems a lot of people love taking down anyone who opts to get a degree with their naysaying about jobs and such. Fact is, when the time comes round again and we come out of recession (which we will), jobs for graduates are going to become more available and there'll be plenty of people who will be very grateful for their degrees. True, college isn't for some and I wouldn't knock anyone on that, but people shouldn't knock people who choose to go to college either.

IamtheWalrus

Starla_o0 wrote: »

I look down on you because you only have a degree...where's the masters, PhD, post-doc???:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm afraid you don't know my educational background.

Ficheall

I'm going into my eighth year in college... Seriously beginning to wonder at the pointlessness of it all...

locked_out

stateofflux

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I'm not talking about people who didn't go to college yet still get good jobs. That's just as good as not going. I'm talking about people who settle for a low paying job. If they only waited a few years they could be so much better off financially.

with the way the country is at the moment, im seeing friends with masters degrees struggling & waiting for phantom jobs and uncolleged friends with savvy entrepreneur skills surviving & doing ok...i don't look down on anybody that can use their brain to get ahead...some people need 3rd level, some don't

IamtheWalrus

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I'm afraid you don't know my educational background.

what is it then, so we can judge you like you do others?

--LOS--

I might have before, not now though, college is not for everyone, it's far more important that you have ambition.

Cill Dara Abu

College smollege

Eric Cartman

we always have to have somebody to work at tills, answering phones , working in factories, serve us food, and there will always be people who dont feel like studying or anything to do these roles, It wouldnt be my cup of tea , working at a checkout in your 40s and having some young assistant manager half your age barking orders at you , but some people dont mind it. I went to college and it wasnt for me ,Ive done pretty well for myself and my business is working out well but I have plenty of friends who both went to college and a lot who didnt go , and it doesnt seem to matter , the ones under 25 are all doing either unpaid internships or working these 'shítty' jobs , the ones over 25 are in good jobs or temporarily out of work, there are some career positions that require degrees to break into , but there are a lot that dont, and a bit of experience and some hard work can overcome the lack of a degree.

and as for the people in these low paid jobs, atleast they went out and got jobs , they have my respects a million times more than the people who decided 'the dole is better than minimum wage'

IamtheWalrus

Starla_o0 wrote: »

what is it then, so we can judge you like you do others?

If you insist.. I am college educated.

mytwocents

ResearchWill wrote: »

Yup a bit harsh, not everyone wants to go to college straight after leaving or at all. I know many people who left school say 5 to 10 years age became receptionists in solicitors now earning 30k a year, some of their friends who went to study law and do blackhall, can not get jobs as solicitors, or if the do they are earning 30k a year.

So each to their own, some just don't want to go to college, and it would be a very boring world if everyone did. Also thankfully in Ireland if you change your mind at any age you can then go to uni.

Would 30k a year be regarded as good after 5/10 years work?

Regarding the issue I think there's this preoccupation in Ireland with trying to get all students to go to third level which I think is ridiculous. It's almost devaluing third level education as many people just aren't up to that standard and come out of college with little education/knowledge. I just don't think college is for everyone and for some I think they would be better just going off and starting some form of work.

plein de force

no, not at all
it's their own choice

7sr2z3fely84g5

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they have my respects a million times more than the people who decided 'the dole is better than minimum wage'

Depends on circumstances,a lot are like that because they have entitlement to the med card which is fine if they have small kids,kids regularly get sick.

IamtheWalrus

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

starviewadams

College seems to be a waste of money,at least for the people who I know anyways,loads of my friends went to college and got degree's,orts mainly,and nearly all of them are in the exact same job as me,working in a crappy office for shít money,one became a teacher but she had to move to England and the other quit orts to do nursing and she's doing well and can pick and choose when she works.

Logical Fallacy

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

I know dudes earning 80K a year who complain about not having enough money. It's a pretty universal gripe i have found.

flutterflye

No, wouldn't judge anyone who doesn't or hasn't gone to college - wtf like?!
I do however wonder how some people remain in crappy jobs their whole life- whether they be minimum wage jobs or middle range wage jobs.
I just cannot see how anyone could gain satisfaction from working at a counter or in an office their whole lives.
I don't judge them at all, I just find it difficult to understand.

IamtheWalrus

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

If you insist.. I am college educated.

Ha! It's gotta be an arts degree :D

Seriously though we need people to do all sorts of jobs...doctors, cleaners, receptionists, lawyers, waiters, shop workers. If the hospital is piled high with filth and dirt because there are no cleaners, how can a doctor do his work properly? If there's noone to sell you your food will we have to grow it all ourselves? Not everything requires a degree and a low paying job does not make you a failure or less of a person. For some people, money means very little and status and salaries are not what makes their worlds go around.

I can be as judgemental as the next person, but here I think you're just being snobby.

IamtheWalrus

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

Bubs99

Not everyone can afford it, also, many may have personal reasons why they cannot go and also after years upon years of constant education from playschool to secondary, maybe they just want a break and to work out what they really want.

At the age of 27 (myself), imo, the age 16-18 is too young to know exactly what you want to do for the rest of your life.
As the years went by for me, I have met people who have done several totally different courses because and that includes myself.

I have done 3, almost 4 (but I dropped out of 1). I have done an art PLC (after repeating my LC) and I have done a design CERT course, 2 years long in D.I.T. and a Veterinary Assistant course in Killester, Dublin.

I tried to get in to Crawford College of Art and Design TWICE but I'm just not academically intelligent, I love the practical work.

What annoys me about some people is, they dont think a CERT is good enough or even graduating in an I.T. rather than a University is good enough. Why? We worked just as hard!

Also...its so hard to get a job when most notices say "experience required"!

How do we get experience if nobody will employ us? It's a joke!

(I'm sorry for the rant)

Conor108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2TbQrkk-wk

IamtheWalrus

Bubs99 wrote: »

Not everyone can afford it, also, many may have personal reasons why they cannot go

I clarified this earlier in the thread.

mytwocents

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

Maybe this girl knows herself that she isn't intelligent enough to get a degree? Maybe she alway struggled with academic subjects in school. I just don't see why people think everyone should be going to college. As others have pointed out we need receptionists etc and such jobs don't require degrees so why should we be looking for so many people to have degrees.