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Do you judge people who don't aim for high paid jobs?

IamtheWalrus

I do. The exception being people who have a trade, own their own business, making something of themselves, etc.

But I judge people who prefer not to go to college because they prefer to make money after school. People like receptionists. They must make very little in terms of salary. Why wouldn't they wait 3/4 years, get a degree and double their salary.

There's a girl in my group who never went to college. She works in admin and makes very litle money. She has admitted waiting on a man to come along and marry her. Isn't that a bit selfish? She basically wants him to provide for her.

I know some people don't go to college because they can't afored it but they are in the minority. I'm guessing most just want cash as soon as possible.

Am I harsh?

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stateofflux

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I'm not talking about people who didn't go to college yet still get good jobs. That's just as good as not going. I'm talking about people who settle for a low paying job. If they only waited a few years they could be so much better off financially.

with the way the country is at the moment, im seeing friends with masters degrees struggling & waiting for phantom jobs and uncolleged friends with savvy entrepreneur skills surviving & doing ok...i don't look down on anybody that can use their brain to get ahead...some people need 3rd level, some don't

[Deleted User]

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I'm afraid you don't know my educational background.

what is it then, so we can judge you like you do others?

--LOS--

I might have before, not now though, college is not for everyone, it's far more important that you have ambition.

Cill Dara Abu

College smollege

Eric Cartman

we always have to have somebody to work at tills, answering phones , working in factories, serve us food, and there will always be people who dont feel like studying or anything to do these roles, It wouldnt be my cup of tea , working at a checkout in your 40s and having some young assistant manager half your age barking orders at you , but some people dont mind it. I went to college and it wasnt for me ,Ive done pretty well for myself and my business is working out well but I have plenty of friends who both went to college and a lot who didnt go , and it doesnt seem to matter , the ones under 25 are all doing either unpaid internships or working these 'shítty' jobs , the ones over 25 are in good jobs or temporarily out of work, there are some career positions that require degrees to break into , but there are a lot that dont, and a bit of experience and some hard work can overcome the lack of a degree.

and as for the people in these low paid jobs, atleast they went out and got jobs , they have my respects a million times more than the people who decided 'the dole is better than minimum wage'

IamtheWalrus

Starla_o0 wrote: »

what is it then, so we can judge you like you do others?

If you insist.. I am college educated.

mytwocents

ResearchWill wrote: »

Yup a bit harsh, not everyone wants to go to college straight after leaving or at all. I know many people who left school say 5 to 10 years age became receptionists in solicitors now earning 30k a year, some of their friends who went to study law and do blackhall, can not get jobs as solicitors, or if the do they are earning 30k a year.

So each to their own, some just don't want to go to college, and it would be a very boring world if everyone did. Also thankfully in Ireland if you change your mind at any age you can then go to uni.

Would 30k a year be regarded as good after 5/10 years work?

Regarding the issue I think there's this preoccupation in Ireland with trying to get all students to go to third level which I think is ridiculous. It's almost devaluing third level education as many people just aren't up to that standard and come out of college with little education/knowledge. I just don't think college is for everyone and for some I think they would be better just going off and starting some form of work.

plein de force

no, not at all
it's their own choice

7sr2z3fely84g5

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they have my respects a million times more than the people who decided 'the dole is better than minimum wage'

Depends on circumstances,a lot are like that because they have entitlement to the med card which is fine if they have small kids,kids regularly get sick.

IamtheWalrus

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

starviewadams

College seems to be a waste of money,at least for the people who I know anyways,loads of my friends went to college and got degree's,orts mainly,and nearly all of them are in the exact same job as me,working in a crappy office for shít money,one became a teacher but she had to move to England and the other quit orts to do nursing and she's doing well and can pick and choose when she works.

Logical Fallacy

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

I know dudes earning 80K a year who complain about not having enough money. It's a pretty universal gripe i have found.

flutterflye

No, wouldn't judge anyone who doesn't or hasn't gone to college - wtf like?!
I do however wonder how some people remain in crappy jobs their whole life- whether they be minimum wage jobs or middle range wage jobs.
I just cannot see how anyone could gain satisfaction from working at a counter or in an office their whole lives.
I don't judge them at all, I just find it difficult to understand.

[Deleted User]

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

If you insist.. I am college educated.

Ha! It's gotta be an arts degree

:D

Seriously though we need people to do all sorts of jobs...doctors, cleaners, receptionists, lawyers, waiters, shop workers. If the hospital is piled high with filth and dirt because there are no cleaners, how can a doctor do his work properly? If there's noone to sell you your food will we have to grow it all ourselves? Not everything requires a degree and a low paying job does not make you a failure or less of a person. For some people, money means very little and status and salaries are not what makes their worlds go around.

I can be as judgemental as the next person, but here I think you're just being snobby.

IamtheWalrus

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

Bubs99

Not everyone can afford it, also, many may have personal reasons why they cannot go and also after years upon years of constant education from playschool to secondary, maybe they just want a break and to work out what they really want.

At the age of 27 (myself), imo, the age 16-18 is too young to know exactly what you want to do for the rest of your life.
As the years went by for me, I have met people who have done several totally different courses because and that includes myself.

I have done 3, almost 4 (but I dropped out of 1). I have done an art PLC (after repeating my LC) and I have done a design CERT course, 2 years long in D.I.T. and a Veterinary Assistant course in Killester, Dublin.

I tried to get in to Crawford College of Art and Design TWICE but I'm just not academically intelligent, I love the practical work.

What annoys me about some people is, they dont think a CERT is good enough or even graduating in an I.T. rather than a University is good enough. Why? We worked just as hard!

Also...its so hard to get a job when most notices say "experience required"!

How do we get experience if nobody will employ us? It's a joke!

(I'm sorry for the rant)

Conor108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2TbQrkk-wk

IamtheWalrus

Bubs99 wrote: »

Not everyone can afford it, also, many may have personal reasons why they cannot go

I clarified this earlier in the thread.

mytwocents

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The girl I mentioned in my OP sometimes complains about not having enough money. To myself, I think well, society made it very easy for you to get yourself educated but you chose not too. She should have expected this to happen.

Maybe this girl knows herself that she isn't intelligent enough to get a degree? Maybe she alway struggled with academic subjects in school. I just don't see why people think everyone should be going to college. As others have pointed out we need receptionists etc and such jobs don't require degrees so why should we be looking for so many people to have degrees.

dresden8

Some of the most godawful idiots I've had working for me were quite proud of their degrees.

Unfortunately I think a lot of people went to college to go on the piss for 3 or 4 years and avoid work.

Eric Cartman

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

i wouldnt really care provided i could have an intelligent conversation with them , but on the other hand in your mates case - i would never financially support anyone else whether they earn 7 euro an hour or a million a year , thats what they have to survive on and my monies for me

[Deleted User]

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

No sisters and I'm a straight girl, but if anyone I knew wanted to do such a job I'd ask them are they sure and let them make THEIR OWN DECISION. Grown adults can do what they like when it comes to their careers, or indeed lack thereof. I'd just be glad he/she was going to make some money instead of being a dole scrounger.

mytwocents

Bubs99 wrote: »

What annoys me about some people is, they dont think a CERT is good enough or even graduating in an I.T. rather than a University is good enough. Why? We worked just as hard!

Also...its so hard to get a job when most notices say "experience required"!

How do we get experience if nobody will employ us? It's a joke!

(I'm sorry for the rant)

I hate to sound harsh but I would say that it is more difficult and involves more work to get a degree than to get a CERT. Obviously both require work, but in general I would say the standard would be a lot higher for a degree. The same I feel applies to university and I.T. degrees.

IamtheWalrus

I have amended my thread title. It was taking away from the point I was trying to make.

--LOS--

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I have amended my thread title. It was taking away from the point I was trying to make.

I dont think it makes much sense to change the thread title tbh! It certainly does not mean the same thing as attending college

mr.jingle

Does it matter in this day and age? Its all about who you know nowadays not what you know!

I know lads working in retail packing shelves that are more intelligent than some others i know that went to college got there degrees who are sitting at home now on the dole.

mytwocents

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Put it this way. If your sister or gf decided that she wasn't going to go to college (or trade or somehthing with a lot of potential) and was going to work as a receptionist, would you not try to persuade her to better herself? I know I would and I think most people would agree whether they admit it or not.

Yeah I'd very actively encourage my younger siblings to go to college. I strongly doubt any of them would ever consider not going, but if that thought ever entered their mind I'd try and change it quickly. They all have a lot of potential and I would feel it was being wasted. Also they've been given such great educations so far so it would seem crazy not to use it to its fullest.

Moist Bread

I feel that looking down on people that don't go to 3rd level is so incomprehensibly boring and pointless, there is often so much context to people's choices that we are not privy to. Making an absolute judgement that colours your perception of their character says more about yourself than the person you are judging. In other words, why the **** would you care?

IamtheWalrus

mytwocents wrote: »

Yeah I'd very actively encourage my younger siblings to go to college. I strongly doubt any of them would ever consider not going, but if that thought ever entered their mind I'd try and change it quickly. They all have a lot of potential and I would feel it was being wasted. Also they've been given such great educations so far so it would seem crazy not to use it to its fullest.

Thank you for considering my point of view.