Denver Broncos Thread

spiralism

poldebruin wrote: »

Looking forward to the game at the weekend. Everything from the playoffs on was a bonus in my eyes for Denver this year - all so unexpected.

Unfortunately, I do agree that NE will be even better in this game. Home field, already played Denver once (so they have seen first hand the unconventional offence) and Belichek is known for his adjustments on Defense in second halves/second meetings etc.

That said, I was a little surprised at that Denver fared so well in the opening salvos of the game at Mile High. IMO for Denver to win the game, they will need to capitilise on all opportunities that present themselves - i.e. champs near int in the endzone, redzone opps that only turn into field goals. they will need to, not just commit 0 turnovers, but reverse what happened in the first game and perhaps win the turnover battle by 2 or so. If all this were to happen - I could see Denver having a shot - A long one I know!

Finally, I may get lambasted for this thought, but is there an advantage to be gained by the Denver D by just "selling out" on multiple plays. See if they can force a strip-sack, int or fumble. Gamble if there's a chance of an int, even if it means giving up a long play/td. Brady and co have already shown they can march up and down the field on Denver all night....by taking the chance, you may get a favourable result, and if it doesn't work out, your offense trots back out onto the field to try and counter - run down the clock and perhaps win the TOP battle.

True. One of the reasons we lost the 1st time imo is that we were too vanilla, getting no pressure on 3 man rushes and let brady pick us apart. We can't go in with the same defensive gameplan, we'd get killed again. We need to blitz early and often and tip blitzes on every play we don't. Brady can get rattled if the blitz gets to him, especially up the gut. Give him all day and play cover defences on a 3 man rush and he'll cut you up all night. He's well able to beat the blitz naturally but if we can get a couple of hits in and maybe force a turnover we can prevent him from getting into the sort of rhythm he did at mile high.

dulpit

For anyone interested, Woody Paige makes some very interesting points in this column/mailbag thing: http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag

He lays out an interesting gameplan for how he sees the Broncos could win:

In regard to New England, here's what I envision: Because the Patriots adjusted after the first quarter in Denver (the Broncos had more than 160 yards on the ground in the first quarter), I expect the Broncos to run from a normal set more of the time and not much read-option. Because the Patriots have a bad pass defense, I think the Broncos should, and will, pass more than they did against the Steelers (21 times). I would expect 25-27 passes, a balanced offense.
I think you'll see Matt Willis involved more in the offense even though he's had some drops. Go back to Tebow's rookie year, and he and Willis had something going on in the exhibition games. And because Thomas and Willis weren't starters at the beginning of this year, Tebow and those two have more of a familiarity with each other because they usually, as backups, worked together in exhibitions and practice. Willis can go deep. I think the Patriots will double-team Thomas, which will allow Willis to get free. I'd get the ball to Royal more often on dump offs and end-arounds.
And Tebow has to continue to run the football, which he got away from in the Buffalo and Kansas City games. He can take the pressure off McGahee when he rolls out or cuts back. That two-point conversion play is unstoppable anywhere on the field, when Tebow fakes over the middle or left, then goes right over right tackle with a pulling guard. Fox needs to go for it on fourth-and-one this time with Tebow running that play. And, as I pointed out last Sunday, when the Broncos get to their Orange Zone, the opponents' 35, with Tebow at QB, they set themselves up for scoring 85 percent of the time (they've had some missed field goals).
I'd like to see them throw more to tight ends Fells and Rosario down the field (copy the Patriots) and use the extra lineman (eligible receiver) as a surprise receiver a couple of times. I love the play they used against the Jets when they lined up three wide receivers right, and Tebow runs left. You've got only one cornerback backing up the play, and he can't stop Tebow if he gets past the end and linebacker on that side.
I'd still like to see Quinn come into the game on a third-down situation and throw to Tebow. I shovel pass to McGahee a couple of times in the middle, and I like the flea-flicker against this New England defense. I also like lining up Elvis and Von on the same side a few times, overloading, and the tackle can't take care of both of them. You're not going to get to Brady more than a couple of times. He gets rid of the ball too quick. So I'd give up the run and put seven players in pass coverage, double team both tight ends and Wes Welker, and have a deep safety (cover 1) for support on the strong side and put a linebacker on the running back out of the backfield. When the Patriots get into the hurry-up, stay in that defense, which will allow a cornerback blitz.
And if I'm McCoy, I throw the ball to Jeremiah Johnson a half dozen times. He can break plays. And he doesn't fumble the ball.
That's my plan for success. And, if I were John Fox, I'd remind the Broncos that a Broncos team went into a postseason game once as 13-point underdogs. They went on to beat the Packers for their first Super Bowl title.

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

In 2009 Jim Zorn was HC of redskins, in 2010 it was Mike Shanahan. Jason Campbell was only traded to the Raiders in 2010 after the Redskins picked up McNabb. Jim Zorn could have easily wanted to keep Campbell but when he was sacked and Shanahan took over Campbell was not wanted.

Eh? The Redskins did everything short of selling Daniel Synder's kidneys on the black market to try and get a different QB before the 2009 season, they reluctantly stuck with him after they couldn't make something happen.

The beautiful irony has been all three who have tried to replace Campbell since have been significantly worse than him even though they all had the security of knowing their coaches weren't about to be fired/let go/shot from a cannon by the end of the season.

spiralism

As always, a must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE3hqvOE29Y

kmart6

Love those videos! Although the YouTube user def looking for views by naming it Tebow SoundFx!

Amazing at the end how Dumerville didn't know the rule, the Williams explained it to him wrong, so then Dumerville told the other guy the same thing....extreme chinese whispers...wonder what they were saying by the time they got to the dressing room ha!

spiralism

kmart6 wrote: »

Love those videos! Although the YouTube user def looking for views by naming it Tebow SoundFx!

Amazing at the end how Dumerville didn't know the rule, the Williams explained it to him wrong, so then Dumerville told the other guy the same thing....extreme chinese whispers...wonder what they were saying by the time they got to the dressing room ha!

It's pretty much dumervil and ben tbh, great to watch though, especially the end. As surly as ben seems on screen, he comes across as pretty grand and upbeat there. The local radio calls by Dave Logan are great too, i remember the official NFL site had local radio calls for all highlights up to last year and took them down, i was raging when they did, loved hearing local commentators go bananas:mad:

kmart6

Yeah I know, but if I came out with 'thats not about Tebow' I prob woulda got lynched since that's the way things are in here at the minute!

Ben's always like that, chirpy and kinda laid back...same way Rodgers is really...as if nothing cases them!

Morrisseeee

The 'Take it to the house' play :cool:, check out the anticipation on the sidelines, esp Dawkins (who isn't ruled out of Saturday's game yet!)



Some things I found amazing about the last 2 weeks:
Mediamania, it has gone 'mad' about the win, esp Tebowmania, it's as if he won the game by himself, one person who watches it from time-to-time said to me: "wasn't that a great game, Tebow was fantastic, but the rest of the team are sh1te" !! huh, I had to set him straight. I then heard on my 'local' radio station, on a sports bulletin, that Tebow won by throwing a 316 yard pass !! It's amazing how the 'mania' spreads to the masses, and how it gets twisted ??!!

Fanmania, I was following the fans reactions on their forum, and what a contrast from last week to this, they wanted a certain QB 'out' last week, and it's all 'love' this week.

I'll add some media links of my own now, just to add to the mania, :pac:

Link to the BTV (field level highlights), not for Steeler fans obviously, the end bit is interesting, ie. where did Thomas end up after 'that' run.

There are loads of fans videos on youtube, of different parts of the game, here's 2, Tebow's running TD, and fans go mad after final play.

mikemac1

Too much religion in this thread, time to turn it a bit
Swiped from here
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/could-tim-tebow-really-just-be-the-antichrist/

I was going to use weird and wacky thread but may as well us here

And yes, I checked it wasn't posted already, I know some get angry over that :eek:

The Antichrist will ride in on a white horse [Revelations 6: 1-2]


The Antichrist will be worshipped by many people [Rev 13:8]
There's a few on boards

He “does not regard the desire of women.” [Daniel 11:37]

The bible makes 25 unfavorable references to left-handedness. And the Latin word for left-handed is “sinister.”

The Antichrist’s arrival on the world scene will be accompanied by “wonders” (Denver’s opening kick hits the crossbar for a touchback and rolls back 30 yards and stops dead on the 20)


His name will be associated with the number 666, “though not in an obvious way.” [Rev 13:17-18]



Some prophets interpreted a dream by Nebuchandnezzer with the arrival of the Antichrist and the End of the World. The dream involved a statue “with silver arms and chest, a bronze torso and thighs and iron legs.” [Daniel 3:16-18]



The Antichrist will have compelling charisma and ability to communicate. “A mouth speaking great things.” [Rev 13:5]



The Antichrist will be a king from a land to the north of Israel.



During his rise to power, a 7-year peace pact between warring nations will be negotiated, setting off a wave of euphoria. [Mathew 24:15]



His appearance will be one of “a fierce countenance” and “more stout than his fellows.” [Daniel 7:20]


He will appear to survive a fatal injury. [Rev 13:3]



And finally, the true Antichrist “will do as he pleases.” [Daniel 11:36] :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKo-gkbeCY

There's a few more in the link, it's very long

spiralism

Very interesting alright, i dont think the son of satan would have so many nice things to say about Jesus though :pac:

mikemac1

spiralism wrote: »

i dont think the son of satan would have so many nice things to say about Jesus though :pac:

Don't be fooled

You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Acts 13:10

kmart6

Amazing how some people still have their knickers in a twist over the fact it is general policy on boards that things aren't reposted! :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHB0o9lCizQ

Didn't see this yet

Morrisseeee

For the day that's in it:
/insert pumped up smiley face.....

I think he's either saying:
"Let's go Brady, lets gooooo !"
or
"Let it snow baby, let it snooooow!"
or
"........"etc etc :pac:
(probably: "let's go baby, let's gooo"

spiralism

God i'm embarrassed. We should have awarded them a bye to next week.

Paully D

You've had a good season though.

If someone had told you after the first few weeks of the season that you'd be facing New England in the divisional round of the playoffs after beating the Steelers in the wildcard round you'd probably still be laughing!

Obviously it must be very disappointing to lose the way you're losing tonight, but they're a very good side led by one of the best QB's to play the game and who are having the best game of their season tonight.

There's certainly no shame in going out to the Patriots at this stage of the competition.

Fair play to Denver, Tebow and the squad as a whole. A full off-season and season as a starter will be very good for Tebow and it'll be very interesting to see how things pan out next year.

If nothing else you won't be bored

basillarkin

Paully D wrote: »

You've had a good season though.

If someone had told you after the first few weeks of the season that you'd be facing New England in the divisional round of the playoffs after beating the Steelers in the wildcard round you'd probably still be laughing!

Obviously it must be very disappointing to lose the way you're losing tonight, but they're a very good side led by one of the best QB's to play the game and who are having the best game of their season tonight.

There's certainly no shame in going out to the Patriots at this stage of the competition.

Fair play to Denver, Tebow and the squad as a whole. A full off-season and season as a starter will be very good for Tebow and it'll be very interesting to see how things pan out next year.

If nothing else you won't be bored

The Broncos are having a good season but they have not showed up at all tonight, i thought they would get beat but to go down without a fight does this say something about team spirit Paully D?

Syferus

basillarkin wrote: »

The Broncos are having a good season but they have not showed up at all tonight, i thought they would get beat but to go down without a fight does this say something about team spirit Paully D?

Does it say more than half a dozen 4th quarter wins?

Concannon7

Syferus wrote: »

Does it say more than half a dozen 4th quarter wins?

Exactly just outclassed by a better team. If Superbowls were handed out for heart and team spirit Denever would be one of the biggest challangers going by their numerous late victories this season.

Paully D

basillarkin wrote: »

The Broncos are having a good season but they have not showed up at all tonight, i thought they would get beat but to go down without a fight does this say something about team spirit Paully D?

In my opinion, no.

Tonight is just a classic example of a team who have given everything they have got up until this point, but who have ultimately came up against a better team on top form.

It's been a long, hard season for Denver. They've been involved in a lot of close fourth quarter games and OT periods along the way.

The team spirit has been there to see since the started getting it going under Tebow and I wouldn't attribute tonight's performance to a lack of team spirit.

Sometime's a team just deserves to be beaten, not through lack of team spirit etc, and tonight was Denver's night for that to happen.

davyjose

spiralism wrote: »

God i'm embarrassed. We should have awarded them a bye to next week.

in fairness, NE came out of the blocks incredibly. one of the best first half performances I've ever witnessed. Denver had no answer. There's no real shame in that.

spiralism

Paully D wrote: »

You've had a good season though.

If someone had told you after the first few weeks of the season that you'd be facing New England in the divisional round of the playoffs after beating the Steelers in the wildcard round you'd probably still be laughing!

Obviously it must be very disappointing to lose the way you're losing tonight, but they're a very good side led by one of the best QB's to play the game and who are having the best game of their season tonight.

There's certainly no shame in going out to the Patriots at this stage of the competition.

Fair play to Denver, Tebow and the squad as a whole. A full off-season and season as a starter will be very good for Tebow and it'll be very interesting to see how things pan out next year.

If nothing else you won't be bored

Given that i've calmed down...you're probably right man. At the time though, it definitely looked like they would break the 70 barrier, it was shambolic. Thank god bill called off the dogs, it really looked like this was going to break us for the long run it would have been so bad

Regarding himself: Poor but not catastrophic a lá Buffalo/Detroit/Kansas. Not an awful lot he'll do when there's 5 pats defenders in the backfield on every single play. This sums it up pretty well:

Whether you love or hate the Patriots, you have to agree that no one drugs opposing offensive linemen like them. I'm only semi-kidding. I mean, I'm sure there are plausible reasons as to why the Denver front whiffed on the New England pass-rushers all night. For example, it's very possible that Bill Belichick asked Josh McDaniels to kidnap the blockers' loved ones, forcing them to allow sacks as blackmail.

I've never seen an offensive line look so Jekyll and Hyde in a span of a week. The front kept Tim Tebow completely clean against the Steelers, yet the Patriots were in the backfield on almost every single passing down. Tebow had no chance whatsoever, especially with his receivers unable to separate. Denver had 14 negative plays - the most by any team in the NFL this year.

On the rare occasions that Tebow was able to get a clean release off, his receivers would drop passes. The worst infraction of this nature came from last week's hero, Demaryius Thomas, whpo dropped what would have been a first down in New England teritory on a third down during the team's second drive. I counted five drops in total.

Jolly Red Giant

Paully D wrote: »

In my opinion, no.

Tonight is just a classic example of a team who have given everything they have got up until this point, but who have ultimately came up against a better team on top form.

It's been a long, hard season for Denver. They've been involved in a lot of close fourth quarter games and OT periods along the way.

The team spirit has been there to see since the started getting it going under Tebow and I wouldn't attribute tonight's performance to a lack of team spirit.

Sometime's a team just deserves to be beaten, not through lack of team spirit etc, and tonight was Denver's night for that to happen.

I agree - it was always going to take a massive upset - and unfortunately the upset of the round went to the 49er's.

Coming off a 4-12 season followed by a 1-4 start this has been a good season for the Broncos and has been fun to watch. There are clearly still a lot of holes in the roster - particlarly up the spine of the defence DT MLB S and in the middle of the OL as well. Hopefully some decent free agent signings and a solid draft will improve things another step. But it will take two or three years of development before the Broncos will be close to being in the same league as the Pats (talent-wise - no-one would be interested in having the same character).

Chucky the tree

Still a long long way to go for Tebow and Denver. Despite his wins he's still shown very little real improvement as the season has gone on which is the biggest worry for Elway and Co.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Still a long long way to go for Tebow and Denver. Despite his wins he's still shown very little real improvement as the season has gone on which is the biggest worry for Elway and Co.

You really believe that? You haven't noticed an improvement in his footwork? You didn't notice how he got rid of the ball quicker last week?

Stev_o

eagle eye wrote: »

You really believe that? You haven't noticed an improvement in his footwork? You didn't notice how he got rid of the ball quicker last week?

One week he shows "signs" of improvement and the next week he shows his old bad habits. He got out coached today by BB. He dared him to throw to receivers who were given a cushion and had both edges spyed and Tebow couldn't handle it.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

You really believe that? You haven't noticed an improvement in his footwork? You didn't notice how he got rid of the ball quicker last week?

He's like a rollercoaster. One week he looks to improve, then next week he's plummeting back down. I didn't notice him getting rid of the ball quicker this week, did you?

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's like a rollercoaster. One week he looks to improve, then next week he's plummeting back down. I didn't notice him getting rid of the ball quicker this week, did you?

I asked you about last week and you haven't answered that.

He got outcoached for sure this week and thats not a surprise. I never said he was anything close to the finished article. I do believe he will improve a lot next season because he will work so hard on his game in the offseason.

As for your 'question' answer he didn't get rid of the ball quicker this week because he didn't have the opportunites to. He had to check down a lot and the pressure was coming through all night. The Patriots D was superb last night, as good as I've ever seen it.

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's like a rollercoaster. One week he looks to improve, then next week he's plummeting back down. I didn't notice him getting rid of the ball quicker this week, did you?

On the flipside, i didnt notice receivers getting separation and his offensive line put in one of the worst performances i've ever seen. If you cant see an improvement from his games against Miami and San Diego to his performances against Pittsburgh, NE at home, Minnesota and Chicago i'd wonder what you were watching.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

I asked you about last week and you haven't answered that.

He got outcoached for sure this week and thats not a surprise. I never said he was anything close to the finished article. I do believe he will improve a lot next season because he will work so hard on his game in the offseason.

As for your 'question' answer he didn't get rid of the ball quicker this week because he didn't have the opportunites to. He had to check down a lot and the pressure was coming through all night. The Patriots D was superb last night, as good as I've ever seen it.

He didn't show anything differeny last week. The only difference between this week and last week is his first read was open last week while this weeking Bill and the Pats weren't as cocky/stupid as the steelers. Last week with his 47% completiong wasn't a huge improvement on his 48% game against the Dolphins. The only difference is Steelers decided to go for single coverage on the outside with no safety help for some bizarre reason and while doing that Gay decided to make some extremely poor decisions while in coverage.


As I said when his first read isn't on he crumbles badly. Also against the steelers they allowed him out of the pocket easily while the Pats made sure to keep him contained. As I said I've little improvement in what it takes to be a decent starting QB in the nfl. Can't make reads, can't make decisions quickly, poor footwork, can't throw accurately enough, isn't a great decision maker. Doesn't really bode well for him.

spiralism wrote: »

On the flipside, i didnt notice receivers getting separation and his offensive line put in one of the worst performances i've ever seen. If you cant see an improvement from his games against Miami and San Diego to his performances against Pittsburgh, NE at home, Minnesota and Chicago i'd wonder what you were watching.

The only improvement I saw is playing regularly and getting better timing down with his team mate really. Haven't seen big improvements in all the things I listed for Tebow.