Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Strongbow10

rossie1977 wrote: »

mayo without o'connor, moran and dillon have scored 1-26 last two games against tyrone and kerry, what do you think we would score against those two without kilbride, shine and smith??

Donie Shine is a b level forward, immobile and prone to missing easy scores. A scorer of great points rather than a great scorer in general. And guys like that always catch the eye of those who don't happen to see him every game.

Kilbride is a far better player but the higher the level he operates the more likely he will be kept quiet. I really rate Kilbride as a player but worryingly he has yet to have a great game against really top class opposition, he has not turned it on on the big day.

Smith does look very promising and has a terrific attitude and temperment which will stand him in really good stead.

Definately take your point, take all 3 out of our side and scores will be scarce and thats even against Division 3 or 4 cannon fodder.

sting60

Until such time as Roscommon Gaels get into a position of winning the county title the county team will struggle.The other question I would ask would the current team beat the Clare team,Bridgets did recently in a friendly.

Syferus

Completely under-rating Donie there, Strongbow. I think his poor 2012 has clouded a lot of peoples' opinions. It really feels like people either over-rate him or severely under-rate him, the truth lies in-between the two.

Obviously he gets a lot of attention, and Kilbride is the more complete forward, but Shine's consistent form in 2010 and 2011 was at the heart of our progress in those years, and with Kilbride's injuries and absences with Brigid's he more than did his job for the county. He made Michael Shields look pretty foolish in his All-Star winning season while Tyrone had no answers for either him or Kilbride in 2011. In other words, Donie can get it done against opposition very few players in the country can. When we use him correctly he can be very effective.

Last season just felt like one where he never got his feet under him, he was switching to kicking points from the hand at one stage and anyone who knows how Donie plays will realise how strange a sight that was. I think the forwards as a unit never really got going under Newton and Des being a back in his own days as a player probably didn't help matters in that regard. After spending so many years under Fergie at minor and senior I suppose Shine's confidence took a hit with all the changes last year.

No one that's 6'5' is going to be a speedster in gaelic football, and even then I think Donie would readily admit his biggest weakness is his speed, but what I'd like to see more of is him using his physical strength in an effective manner. Aidan O'Shea is hardly a fast player - he can be burnt when on the back foot - but he's an absolute beast in the air and with ball in hand.

While I'd love to see Donie in the sort of shape Michael Murphy was in last season, as I think there's a whole load more that he could do if he really reaches peak fitness in the coming years, for right now O'Shea would seem a good template for Donie, and obviously Donie is a better scorer than O'Shea.

He's actually a pretty fine passer of the ball and if he ran at goal with the ball a little more it might cause some extra trouble to defenders because whatever about speed it's always going to be hard to stop a man of Donie's size when he's got a bit of momentum.

His free-taking and target man role was missing on Saturday and it took a big toll against a team where maybe the only way to beat them was to be able to kick-and-catch deep to by-pass their blanket defence.

manofwisdom

Whenever i look at Roscommon big win it normally has Donie Shine with the most scores both from play and frees. St. Brigids are getting the best out of Senan Kilbride because they are playing well and are successful take note Roscommon.

davegrohl48

Roscommon need to properly buy into using Donal Shine at full forward. That's more than just match day "Stick Donie in for the high ball". It involves things like corner forwards coming in at pace to take passes and kicking catchable ball in to him, not skyscraper hail marys that any decent full back will just punch 25 yards out the pitch. If they can get that operating then it will move the whole forward line on a lot.
There's often a reluctance amongst teams to admit to themselves that a player is training solely for a particular position.

sting60

In the context of where Roscommon are [very low level] Shine and the other fourteen players should be performing to that standard but obviously are not.In the bigger picture of All Ireland standard all Roscommon players are way short.So to say shine is underrated has to be put into context to the level in which he is rated.

Syferus

You realise Shine didn't play at all and only last about 20 minutes against Sligo on one good leg, right?

I'm really having to question your motives posted the above - are you just trying to get a rise?

sting60

Syferus wrote: »

You realise Shine didn't play at all and only last about 20 minutes against Sligo on one good leg, right?

I'm really having to question your motives posted the above - are you just trying to get a rise?

Im as honest as I can that Roscommon have their level which is way short of what is required to remotely challenge for All-Ireland honors.I have contacted the GAA about a request to have an open draw round robin All-Ireland where the Roscommons of this country will get game time against better opposition on a regular basis .The greatest player never to win an All-Ireland football medal [voted by congress]Gerry O Malley who lives near me is firmly of the same opinion as me.I am also a firm believer that to win or compete for an All-Ireland the team and panel should have players playing Sigerson Cup on a regular basis aka the 1980 side.If you find anything untrue about what I have printed please feel free to air your comments and base your comments on fact.

manofwisdom

sting60 wrote: »

Im as honest as I can that Roscommon have their level which is way short of what is required to remotely challenge for All-Ireland honors.I have contacted the GAA about a request to have an open draw round robin All-Ireland where the Roscommons of this country will get game time against better opposition on a regular basis .The greatest player never to win an All-Ireland football medal [voted by congress]Gerry O Malley who lives near me is firmly of the same opinion as me.I am also a firm believer that to win or compete for an All-Ireland the team and panel should have players playing Sigerson Cup on a regular basis aka the 1980 side.If you find anything untrue about what I have printed please feel free to air your comments and base your comments on fact.

Looking at Roscommons current panel they had or currently have players playing regularly in the Sigerson cup. I think the rossies need more than that to compete with the best.

rossie1977

roscommon have plenty of recent sigerson winners

2012
keenan and collins started for dcu

2011
niall daly started for ucc

2010
cathal cregg and donie shine for dcu

Sean McDermott won a sigerson with it sligo in 2005

conor daly and donie smith have a great chance of winning a sigerson this year with dcu (both still 19)

Syferus

The current panel have an absolute truckload of medals compared with most Roscommon teams that have taken the field, for the players over 22 it's about bringing consistency to their play, we've seen from time to time their ability to more than compete with teams many rungs above them but rarely with regularity, even in single games. Beating the teams on their own rung this spring would go a long way to setting us on the right course for the coming years.

The younger guys need a long leash from management and supporters alike, the worst thing that could be done is their own damaging their confidence while they're just finding their feet at senior.

mccarthy37

Well done St Bridget's brilliant game for a neutral to watch.

Dublin Red Devil

It's a shame they can't transfer some of this club success into Inter County success

nice_guy80

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

It's a shame they can't transfer some of this club success into Inter County success

Roscommon are coming. good minor and under 21 teams for the past 7+ years. the main problem is they don't have enough good players in the 25 - 32 age bracket
have patience

St Brigids won 8 under 21 titles in a row in Roscommon. That is where their strength in depth comes from.

sting60

Did they win backed them at 5/2 and 6/1 to win the lot.

yabadabado

sting60 wrote: »

Did they win backed them at 5/2 and 6/1 to win the lot.

won by a point:)

sting60

Thats Cheltenham payed for.

culline

sting60 wrote: »

Did they win backed them at 5/2 and 6/1 to win the lot.

any idea what price they were pre game? cheers

yabadabado

culline wrote: »

any idea what price they were pre game? cheers

Thats the pregame price.

sting60

yabadabado wrote: »

Thats the pregame price.

The friendly behind closed doors against the Clare senior team when they won well was a major pointer.Best price i saw was 5/2 and 6/1.

yabadabado

sting60 wrote: »

The friendly behind closed doors against the Clare senior team when they won well was a major pointer.Best price i saw was 5/2 and 6/1.

they were 11/4 in Powers and could have been got at 8's earlier this week.Was talking to a few of the Brigids lads recently and they were confident of beating Cross and going the whole way.I think they learned a lot from losing in the final in 2011 and the semi last year.

Always_Running

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon are coming. good minor and under 21 teams for the past 7+ years. the main problem is they don't have enough good players in the 25 - 32 age bracket
have patience

St Brigids won 8 under 21 titles in a row in Roscommon. That is where their strength in depth comes from.

Senior footballers are the only ones underachieving in Roscommon. Will be another year or two before they improve i feel and will need to get out of div 3 won't be easy without the Brigids players now.

yabadabado

Always_Running wrote: »

Senior footballers are the only ones underachieving in Roscommon. Will be another year or two before they improve i feel and will need to get out of div 3 won't be easy without the Brigids players now.

4 or 5 of the brigids lads would be starting for Roscommon, that's a huge loss for the league campaign. Need to get outta div 3 to get the best out of the players .

sting60

yabadabado wrote: »

they were 11/4 in Powers and could have been got at 8's earlier this week.Was talking to a few of the Brigids lads recently and they were confident of beating Cross and going the whole way.I think they learned a lot from losing in the final in 2011 and the semi last year.

PP in Swords Dublin were 5/2 best for 1k,6/1 1k .

Syferus

Best thing we can do is get the young guys more experience, even without the Brigids lads we have some seriously talented players on the panel. Whatever happens we need to build a bench the same way Brigids have, without 20-22 possible championship starters we'll always struggle late in big matches.

If most everyone is fit a trip to Salthill or Castlebar in June shouldn't hold fear for the team.

Strongbow10

at the game today, very disappointing stuff

yabadabado

threw it away .too many players taking the wrong option,poor shooting and poor decision making.I know we are no world beaters but Wicklow should have been beaten .Conceding a goal in the last minute was sickening.

Strongbow10

yabadabado wrote: »

threw it away .too many players taking the wrong option,poor shooting and poor decision making.I know we are no world beaters but Wicklow should have been beaten .Conceding a goal in the last minute was sickening.

The standard was atrocious, shocking really. very disappointed

Always_Running

Should be scoring at least 0-20 against sides like Wicklow however without Donal Shine,Senan Kilbride Roscommon are unlikely to reach the total v anyone. Looks like the St brigids guys will walk back into side.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Disappointing result, we missed a great chance to put ourselves in a strong position in the table. For a team with aspirations of provincial titles and beyond, drawing at home to the likes of Wicklow (no disrespect intended but they have been poor recently and look certs for a return to Div 4) is not good enough. Wicklow will be pleased to have got the draw having played so poorly which says it all really.

Meath at home next week and as poor as they have been so far, they'll fancy their chances against us, as will the bookies. I can see us doing just about enough to stay in the division but not much else which is a pity with Meath falling around like drunks at a barbeque I would have fancied us to sneak a top 2 finish. I do believe that maybe we have been slightly guilty of listening to our own hype over the past few years and I include myself in that but we should be capable of more, 2013 could be another disappointing year. Very downhearted right now!