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David Norris - Post-Revelations

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    #1052
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    later10 wrote: »
    Wonder what the other one is.

    Once, back in 1972, he crossed the road when the green man was flashing.


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    #1053
    later12
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    The magnitude of that controversy depends on the identity of the man and what age he was when he was flashing David Norris.


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    #1054
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    later10 wrote: »
    The magnitude of that controversy depends on the identity of the man and what age he was when he was flashing David Norris.

    Can't remember the details - someone ended up up the pole.


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    #1055
    vampire of kilmainham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    Lustrum wrote: »
    Can anyone shed some light on where the letter was leaked from? After all, someone has known about this letter for the last 19 years, but said nothing about it - in my mind that's as bad as writing the letter in the first place
    now you have hit the nail why was the letter not mentioned before because we are good at covering things up in ireland as usual but id say it was dragged out of it's hiding place because i have this sneaking suspicious feeling that somebody dident want a gay president in aras an uachtarain...


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    #1056
    Micky Dolenz
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    Orizio wrote: »
    Very simply, as people who grow up in Dublin city (and to a lesser extent, Cork and Limerick city) are well-educated, sophisticated and urbane, they are far too open minded and progressive to be homophobic. Urbanites are overwhelmingly pro-gay rights, and anti-tradtionalism while culchies tend to be overwhemlingly pro-Catholicism and extremely narrow minded in their views, invariably being racist, homophobic, sexist and so on.

    As such, it stands to reason that if the media is attacking Norris with a homphobic hate campaign - as they are - the media must be culchie run. One needs only to look at the non-stop GAA coverage in the media - even though decent human beings play/follow rugby and cricket - and the media's massive defense of the RCC in recent weeks to show just how that the Irish-media is bogger run.

    Banned.


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    #1057
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    vampire of kilmainham wrote: »
    Lustrum wrote: »
    Can anyone shed some light on where the letter was leaked from? After all, someone has known about this letter for the last 19 years, but said nothing about it - in my mind that's as bad as writing the letter in the first place
    now you have hit the nail why was the letter not mentioned before because we are good at covering things up in ireland as usual but id say it was dragged out of it's hiding place because i have this sneaking suspicious feeling that somebody dident want a gay president in aras an uachtarain...

    Who says it had anything to do with norris's sexuality. Maybe it was Norris himself that they didn't want as president. Maybe because of stuff like this.

    I'd imagine the person maybe didn't feel the need to make it public until they saw Norris threatening to hold a position of such power. My dad is of the opinion that it was the Israelies who released it.

    Just to clarify though. All of the above is speculation.

    I am just so sick of people going on about norris's sexuality. It should not have anything to do with his campaign. People should be focused on Norris as a candidate, the same as all others. Not on Norris, the gay man. Surely we're past that. Why should his sexuality have any relevance whatsoever?


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    #1058
    K-9
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    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    Who says it had anything to do with norris's sexuality. Maybe it was Norris himself that they didn't want as president. Maybe because of stuff like this.

    I'd imagine the person maybe didn't feel the need to make it public until they saw Norris threatening to hold a position of such power. My dad is of the opinion that it was the Israelies who released it.

    Just to clarify though. All of the above is speculation.

    I am just so sick of people going on about norris's sexuality. It should not have anything to do with his campaign. People should be focused on Norris as a candidate, the same as all others. Not on Norris, the gay man. Surely we're pastvthst. Why should his sexuality have any relevance whatsoever?

    Unfortunately despite trying to understand Norris and his position I had to rule him out as electable. Same if he'd wrote a letter for a 40 year old man and a 15 year old girl. I understand the context but it's still wrong.

    I think the drib drab release of information is suspect, we've a very powerful religious, socially conservative and financially rich right wing in this country.

    Mitchell is the front runner now and Dana is considering running. Look at the opposition to Higgins other than he's left wing and anti US who give us tourists and keep Shannon open.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #1059
    Min
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    There is a quote in the Mail on Sunday, it is a quote by David Norris back in 1975 where he says 'as a child, I had a great desire to be molested'.'

    Seems he supports/supported child abuse along with his 'I don't believe in an age of consent'.


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    #1060
    Show Time
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    Min wrote: »
    There is a quote in the Mail on Sunday, it is a quote by David Norris back in 1975 where he says 'as a child, I had a great desire to be molested'.'

    Seems he supports/supported child abuse along with his 'I don't believe in an age of consent'.
    Could you just imagine this sick f**k holding the office of president in the country.


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    #1061
    alejandro1977
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭alejandro1977


    dvpower wrote: »
    You provided no evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing. This matter was before a court and there was an agreed settlement.

    But do continue throwing out dirt, some of it might stick.

    Just to be clear - you believe the HC building was his to sell and not the gay community's?


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    #1062
    Caulego
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    Hadn't heard this RTE radio interview with Nawi before, but he does clearly say that he knew the boy's age. How Norris, assumedly knowing the facts, could make a representation in the case, is questionable as regards any sort of moral insight. There appears to be some sort of weird and selective myopia around the idea that if you are 'gay', or belong to some 'minority' group, that you have some form of superior moral outlook or sense of entitlement, which is obviously not the case.


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    #1063
    tayto lover
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    I think this thread just like Norris himself is history now.
    He's not coming back from this.


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    #1064
    Min
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I think this thread just like Norris himself is history now.
    He's not coming back from this.

    Well it is post revelations and revelations are still coming out about David Norris.


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    #1065
    dvpower
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    alejandro1977 wrote: »
    Just to be clear - you believe the HC building was his to sell and not the gay community's?

    I don't know, but since the agreed settlement ended up with DN getting money, I'm inclined towards that view. I think the gay community did get something out of it.


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    #1066
    alejandro1977
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    dvpower wrote: »
    I don't know, but since the agreed settlement ended up with DN getting money, I'm inclined towards that view. I think the gay community did get something out of it.

    if it emerged that he was in fact repaid well before the sale would you change your view of him and admit that he is a grasping hypocrite?


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    #1067
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    alejandro1977 wrote: »
    if it emerged that he was in fact repaid well before the sale would you change your view of him and admit that he is a grasping hypocrite?
    I'd continue to evaluate the known facts and come to a conclusion based on that; something you seem incapable of.


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    #1068
    alejandro1977
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    dvpower wrote: »
    I'd continue to evaluate the known facts and come to a conclusion based on that; something you seem incapable of.

    what facts exactly that I have written do you dispute? Or just the conclusion?


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    #1069
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    alejandro1977 wrote: »
    what facts exactly that I have written do you dispute? Or just the conclusion?

    First, you'd have to tell me, of what you have written here about that case, what is fact and where is the evidence for it.

    For example:
    the reason is that there is so little info is that the gay community (not Norris) had to agree to a confidentiality clause - they couldn't afford to fight the case.
    Where is the evidence that Norris is not bound by a a confidentiality clause, but the other side are?
    Where is the evidence that the reason they settled rather than fought the case was because they couldn't afford it?

    So far as I can tell, from what has been written here and what I can find on the internet, the basic facts are that:
    Norris put up most or all of the initial funding for the building.
    When it was being disposed of there was some disagrement over disbursement.
    There was a court case that ended in an agreed settlement. Its not known in any detail what that settlement was.
    There was some unhappiness in some quarters over the agreed settlement.

    After that there is very little known about the case. From what I can see of this case, there isn't reason to call Norris a 'grasping hypocrite'. Now, I wouldn't throw around that kind of accusation about anyone unless I was on very firm ground. You seem to be able to, but for the life of me I can't understand why.


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