Five Gardai will not be charged in shell to sea tape

7sr2z3fely84g5

Well,looks like theres a new twist in this saga-

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0728/corrib.html

Five gardaí involved in making remarks of a sexually suggestive and disturbing nature at a Corrib protest in Mayo will not face criminal charges.

The recording was made following the arrest of two women at a protest against the Corrib pipeline in Co Mayo.

This afternoon the Garda Ombudsman Commission published its interim report into the incident.

The comments were recorded on a pocket camcorder seized from one of the women when they were arrested.

A garda put it in his pocket and it was unknowingly left in record mode - and this recorded a conversation between the gardaí in their vehicle.

The gardaí were heard joking about raping the women if they did not give their names and addresses. They also commented that one of the women - a US citizen - would be deported if she did not co-operate.

The report says a transcript of the recording 'supports these allegations.'

However, the investigation says it established that at no stage were the two women personally threatened about rape or deportation by the gardaí, because 'they did not hear the conversation at the time.'

Separately a detective Garda told the inquiry that one of the women shouted that the gardaí could rape them as they were being arrested. The Ombudsman inquiry said it could not corroborate this statement from the recording because high winds distorted the sound.

The inquiry said it found no evidence of a criminal offence having being committed.

The interim report also found that while footage of the original incident was recovered, parts of the recording were deleted and overwritten.

It said that a 'sequence of deletions from the device had taken place' before it was handed to gardaí.

Shell to Sea says it does not accept that the recording was tampered with.

Spokesperson Caoimhe Kerins said other academic files were removed from the disc before it was handed to the Garda Ombudsman, but the entire file for that day was made available.

All five gardai in the car when the comments were made were interviewed by Garda Ombudsman.

The interim report says investigators established within two days that three of them 'took no active part in the contentious part of the conversation, did not engage with the inappropriate comments or make any inappropriate comments themselves.'

The Ombudsman has now decided that while the other two - a Garda and a Sergeant - remain the subject of a disciplinary inquiry, none of the five will face criminal charges.

The Ombudsman said the level of cooperation it received during its investigation was unsatisfactory - in particular from individuals associated through academic links with the two women.

The report states that one of the two women failed to co-operate with the investigation.

On Friday 8 April this year, the Garda Commissioner apologised for the comments.

Martin Callinan said he was sorry for the offence caused to the 'community we serve' and for the hurt and pain felt in particular by victims of sex crime.

Report- http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf/Files/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf

bonerjams03

Well that's good seeing as they didn't do anything.

My name is URL

What criminal charges could have possibly been brought against them? =/

I don't recall anyone suggesting that they had broken any law.

mickydoomsux

What would they have charged them with?

Having a laugh?

7sr2z3fely84g5

Point of the post was,report revealed the tape itself may have been tampered with.

Aodan83

Doesn't say who did the tampering though.

Beruthiel

My name is URL wrote: »

What criminal charges could have possibly been brought against them? =/.

The law covering poor taste?

OK, it's not a law yet, but soon, very soon.......

seamus

Shell to Sea in "making up evidence to make Gardai look bad" shocker.

Mongarra

Sexist, very bad taste, stupid and somewhat worrying, but not illegal I would have thought.

They've probably had their (deserved) punishment not knowing how the inquiry would pan out and wondering if their jobs were safe.

mickydoomsux

Is there a charge that can be brought against them for wasting police resources/time if it turns out that the tape was faked or whatever.?

I presume not because they've been doing that for years with their blockade of the Shell site

UpTheSlashers

Good

Richard Hillman

This is another reason why the far-left should never be trusted in this country.

jonnny68

This was "faked" was it f**k, once again the Garda have come out of this and shown there is one law for joe soap and one law for them, i do not believe for one minute this tape was "faked" in my opinion they covered it up and brushed it under the carpet.:rolleyes:

jonnny68

mickydoomsux wrote: »

What would they have charged them with?

Having a laugh?

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

Splinters

Id love to hear in what way they are claiming it was tampered with, as it sounds quite authentic to me, and I record and edit audio for a living.

seamus

jonnny68 wrote: »

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

Yet again, we have people coming out of the woodwork who didn't even listen to the tape.

apoeiguq3094y

jonnny68 wrote: »

This was "faked" was it f**k, once again the Garda have come out of this and shown there is one law for joe soap and one law for them, i do not believe for one minute this tape was "faked" in my opinion they covered it up and brushed it under the carpet.:rolleyes:

Hardly "brushed under the carpet" considering its been all over the papers and minister for justice just made a statement about it.

The tampering suggests that the shell to sea crowd are trying to milk it for all its worth, rather than a big cover up by the Gardai.

Ray Palmer

Mongarra wrote: »

Sexist, very bad taste, stupid and somewhat worrying, but not illegal I would have thought.

They've probably had their (deserved) punishment not knowing how the inquiry would pan out and wondering if their jobs were safe.

In fairness they were being called rapists by the woman prior to arresting them so the poor taste, sexist, stupid and somewhat worry comments really started there. Laughing off the comments in the manner they did is pretty different as a result. The fact the tape seems to have been altered makes what they said even less of an issue.

They should not have any disciplinary action taken against them at all.

My name is URL

jonnny68 wrote: »

This was "faked" was it f**k, once again the Garda have come out of this and shown there is one law for joe soap and one law for them, i do not believe for one minute this tape was "faked" in my opinion they covered it up and brushed it under the carpet.:rolleyes:

Who said it was faked? The article says that it may have been tampered with. That could mean pretty much anything really. I doubt it's fake.. didn't the guys involved already apologise for what they said?

jonnny68

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

Hardly "brushed under the carpet" considering its been all over the papers and minister for justice just made a statement about it.

The tampering suggests that the shell to sea crowd are trying to milk it for all its worth, rather than a big cover up by the Gardai.

They probably are trying to milk it but that doesn't take away the fact that an "officer of the law" threatened to rape a woman regardless if he was "having a laugh" or not,so they've come up with this nonsense that the tape was somehow faked, unreal.

mickydoomsux

jonnny68 wrote: »

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

Well, considering they didn't actually threaten the women directly i don't see how your question is relevant.

This was an attempt at a "gotcha" on the Gardai by time-wasting eco-nobbers who have a grudge.

jonnny68

My name is URL wrote: »

Who said it was faked? The article says that it may have been tampered with. That could mean pretty much anything really. I doubt it's fake.. didn't the guys involved already apologise for what they said?

OK tampered with which i also doubt, they should have been suspended without pay for a number of months at the very least in my opinion.

The Garda have gotten away with so much in this bleedin country it beggars belief, even if your the son of a Garda you won't go to jail even if you've been caught red handed with a cocaine factory in your home http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/gardas-son-freed-over-drugs-find-at-his-home-2807384.html

if this was anyone else they would've been sentenced to 10+ years straight away regardless if was their first offence or not but if your father and grandfather were members of the Garda you don't.

jonnny68

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Well, considering they didn't actually threaten the women directly i don't see how your question is relevant.

This was an attempt at a "gotcha" on the Gardai by time-wasting eco-nobbers who have a grudge.

and that makes all the difference does it:rolleyes: if you heard a tape of someone talking and threatening to rape your mother,sister or partner what would your reaction be,would you just put it down to someone "having a laugh"

I seriously cannot believe some peoples opinions relating to this.

apoeiguq3094y

Here's the official report.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf/Files/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf

sorry its a scan so I can't paste it in. It does state that forensic analysis of the tape shows that files were deleted and overwritten hours before it was handed over to the ombudsman.

The forensics was done by the PSNI, I presume so that it would be independent.

ScumLord

jonnny68 wrote: »

They probably are trying to milk it but that doesn't take away the fact that an "officer of the law" threatened to rape a woman regardless if he was "having a laugh" or not,so they've come up with this nonsense that the tape was somehow faked, unreal.

From what i can tell the tape was edited to remove the girls bringing up rape in the first place so that when the guards commentated on it later it seemed out of the blue and sexist remark that the guards made when they where simply making a joke at the girls over reaction in making rape accusations in the first place.

tayto lover

Poor old Johnny 68 wanted blood and didn't get it. Looks like he was the subject of something sniffy himself.

Corsendonk

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

Here's the official report.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf/Files/shell%20to%20sea%20interim%20rpt.pdf

sorry its a scan so I can't paste it in. It does state that forensic analysis of the tape shows that files were deleted and overwritten hours before it was handed over to the ombudsman.

The forensics was done by the PSNI, I presume so that it would be independent.

Tampering. I wonder who did that? Didn't one of the ladies verify the tape when she sat in front of a press conference? Did she drop her complaint?

siobhan.murphy

so would all of us be ok with conversations we have had with people regarding other people??
I think not.

jonnny68

I refuse to believe it even more so because a police force like the PSNI (given their shameful human rights record since their inception) say so.

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

jonnny68

tayto lover wrote: »

Poor old Johnny 68 wanted blood and didn't get it. Looks like he was the subject of something sniffy himself.

#M U S T -T R Y - H A R D E R#

:rolleyes:

Radharc na Sleibhte

"you are being charged contrary to article 67a, ie you are a big ignorant lump of a sexist culchie roaster. You do not have to say anything but anything you do say may be used against you"

Finnbar01

jonnny68 wrote: »

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

They didn't threaten to rape anyone, they made a joke in private and not in the company of the protesters.

Waestrel

jonnny68 wrote: »

I refuse to believe it even more so because a police force like the PSNI (given their shameful human rights record since their inception) say so.

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

the problem with conspiracy theories is that they explain everything

tayto lover

jonnny68 wrote: »

I refuse to believe it even more so because a police force like the PSNI (given their shameful human rights record since their inception) say so.

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

Build a bridge.

mickydoomsux

jonnny68 wrote: »

I refuse to believe it even more so because a police force like the PSNI (given their shameful human rights record since their inception) say so.

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

They haven't "gotten away" with anything.

These women where found to have done something fishy with the "evidence" they had of this incident by an independant observer.

You are ignoring the facts because you seem to have a problem with the Gardai.

Gandalph

jonnny68 wrote: »

if someone threatened to rape your mother,sister or partner would you also consider it as "having a laugh"

Hallow threats are serious sh1t

jonnny68

Finnbar01 wrote: »

They didn't threaten to rape anyone, they made a joke in private and not in the company of the protesters.

WTF:eek: did you actually hear the tape in question, the Garda in question (regardless whether or not they were in the company of the protesters) said he would rape the woman,of course they are not going to say something like that to the face of the protesters,the garda was caught red handed on tape saying this,and now they are saying the tape was "tampered with"

4zn76tysfajdxp

jonnny68 wrote: »

WTF:eek: did you actually hear the tape in question, the Garda in question (regardless whether or not they were in the company of the protesters) said he would rape the woman,of course they are not going to say something like that to the face of the protesters,the garda was caught red handed on tape saying this,and now they are saying the tape was "tampered with"

They should be raped as punishment. :mad:

tayto lover

jonnny68 wrote: »

WTF:eek: did you actually hear the tape in question, the Garda in question (regardless whether or not they were in the company of the protesters) said he would rape the woman,of course they are not going to say something like that to the face of the protesters,the garda was caught red handed on tape saying this,and now they are saying the tape was "tampered with"

Tampered with by the people on the protesters side, not the Gardai. It was handled by an independent body and the gardai investigated by the Ombudsman for Gardai. What do you want ?

jonnny68

mickydoomsux wrote: »

They haven't "gotten away" with anything.

These women where found to have done something fishy with the "evidence" they had of this incident by an independant observer.

You are ignoring the facts because you seem to have a problem with the Gardai.

your talking rubbish mate, i have no problem with the Garda in general, i do however have a problem when they can get away with so much which they have done over the years, this particular incident being just one of many, even worse the PSNI as being the "independent observer" given their track record.

Einhard

jonnny68 wrote: »

This was "faked" was it f**k, once again the Garda have come out of this and shown there is one law for joe soap and one law for them, i do not believe for one minute this tape was "faked" in my opinion they covered it up and brushed it under the carpet.:rolleyes:

The Garda aren't running the investigation though, the Garda Ombudsman is. It's an entirely independent body, and has already brought numerous prosecutions against members of the force. By all means though, don't let the facts get in the way of an uninformed rant!

sheesh

jonnny68 wrote: »

I refuse to believe it even more so because a police force like the PSNI (given their shameful human rights record since their inception) say so.

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

what shameful human rights record does the psni have?

jonnny68

Einhard wrote: »

The Garda aren't running the investigation though, the Garda Ombudsman is. It's an entirely independent body, and has already brought numerous prosecutions against members of the force. By all means though, don't let the facts get in the way of an uninformed rant!

Not an "uninformed rant" whatsoever, so the Garda Ombudsman carried out an investigation,independent body my ar*e and you believe that rubbish do you, without even looking into this i would bet any amount of money these "numerous prosecutions" you speak of would be in the vast MINORITY compared to the few that have been prosecuted.

Do you believe everything that is written in the media, do you believe everything the Government,etc,etc,etc come out with,Ireland is rotten to the core from top to bottom, the amount of lies,corruption and deceit,etc is astounding and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigger fool.

Ray Palmer

jonnny68 wrote: »

Regardless it's too late now and once again these Garda parasites have gotten away,another injustice.:rolleyes:

Can you explain what you think happened?

I don't know how anybody in there right mind knowing the details would think that the Gardai really did anything particularly bad.

jonnny68

sheesh wrote: »

what shameful human rights record does the psni have?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=PSNI+shameful+human+rights+record

mickydoomsux

jonnny68 wrote: »

your talking rubbish mate, i have no problem with the Garda in general, i do however have a problem when they can get away with so much which they have done over the years, this particular incident being just one of many, even worse the PSNI as being the "independent observer" given their track record.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.

The facts are there and you're just ignoring them and making up your own version of the truth based on absolutely nothing, just like every other conspiracy theorist does.

mickydoomsux

jonnny68 wrote: »

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=PSNI+shameful+human+rights+record

This thread comes up as the first result you clown.

jonnny68

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Can you explain what you think happened?

I don't know how anybody in there right mind knowing the details would think that the Gardai really did anything particularly bad.

caught on video tape a member of the Garda was talking to a colleague and in the context of that conversation said "maybe ill rape her" or words very similar to that effect.

It's not an offence where the Garda in question should be sent to jail for this (obviously), the Garda however should've been reprimanded and suspended without pay and made to apologise to the woman in question,instead he was confined to "desk duties" for a period of time and now they have concluded that this evidence was "tampered with":rolleyes:


anyway ive a pain in my boll*x with all of this going around in circles so ill leave it at that.

jonnny68

mickydoomsux wrote: »

This thread comes up as the first result you clown.

i noticed that actually

Finnbar01

jonnny68 wrote: »

WTF:eek: did you actually hear the tape in question, the Garda in question (regardless whether or not they were in the company of the protesters) said he would rape the woman,of course they are not going to say something like that to the face of the protesters,the garda was caught red handed on tape saying this,and now they are saying the tape was "tampered with"

Yes I did listen to the tape but you obviously didn't. You claimed they threatened to rape them. They made a silly joke in private and not in front of the protesters. People make crude jokes all the time.

Incidentally, it was reported that one of the protesters accussed one of the gardaí of rape in his presence. If this is true, do you think she should be charged with making a false allegation? The protesters milked it for what it was worth and all on the back of genuine rape victims. That says a lot more about the mindset of these protesters and their supporters than it does about the gardaí involved.

jonnny68

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.

The facts are there and you're just ignoring them and making up your own version of the truth based on absolutely nothing, just like every other conspiracy theorist does.

ditto.........
on you go then