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Should religion be taught in schools?

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    #572
    Ghost Buster
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    crucamim wrote: »
    Why should any Catholic allow his child to be taught by you or by anyone who might think like you do? Why should any Catholic allow his child to be taught in the same school as your children or alongside the children of anyone who thinks as you do?

    Can you guarantee that your children would not mock Catholicism while in the presence of Catholics? Can you guarantee that they would not beat up Catholic children. Can you guarantee that your children would not make dishonest allegations against Catholic teachers?

    Shouldnt they just turn the other cheek?


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    #573
    smash
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    mgmt wrote: »
    You can say the exact same thing about Santa Claus.
    Except there comes a point where we know Santa Claus is not real. Yet believers in god spend their life obsessing over it.


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    #574
    Ghost Buster
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    mgmt wrote: »
    You can say the exact same thing about Santa Claus.

    Or Superman.... oh except for a slight Kryptonite allergy


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    #575
    partyatmygaff
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    mgmt wrote: »
    You can say the exact same thing about Santa Claus.
    When will people stop using this ridiculous argument? I really don't want to work with this argument but you leave me with no choice.

    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.


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    #576
    Jethropool
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When will people stop using this ridiculous argument? I really don't want to work with this argument but you leave me with no choice.

    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    Who are you to question the almighty Santa Claus!?


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    #577
    smash
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    If god is unlimited and around us all the time then why has he NEVER made his presence knows?


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    #578
    mgmt
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »

    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    Jesus could apparently heal the sick. But he only healed the sick who he happened to come across. Was he limited by location or was he just a c*nt?


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    #579
    flutterflye
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When will people stop using this ridiculous argument? I really don't want to work with this argument but you leave me with no choice.

    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    No one is saying that they are exactly the same.
    Just that to believe in such a fantastical thing is the same.

    It does not matter anyhow, because the fact of the matter is that an awful lot of people do not believe in the catholic god, therefore should not be subjected to learning about 'him' in schools.

    That's really all there is to it.
    It is irrelevant as to who is right or wrong on the subject of religion.


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    #580
    dvpower
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    Take it to the Santa vs God thread:pac:


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    #581
    Ghost Buster
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When will people stop using this ridiculous argument? I really don't want to work with this argument but you leave me with no choice.

    If Santa Claus is unlimited as is God, why does he use reindeers to travel across the world? Surely if he is unlimited he would not be limited by something as trivial as location.

    If God is unlimited why did he have to kill his own son for a sin that his own creation seems to have by default?


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    #582
    philologos
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    partyatmygaff: Just ignore all references to Santa, FSM, and other such tripe. People who bring these up aren't interested in seriously discussing the question. It saves time to do things that way.


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    #583
    Ghost Buster
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    mgmt wrote: »
    Jesus could apparently heal the sick. But he only healed the sick who he happened to come across. Was he limited by location or was he just a c*nt?

    Attention seeker.


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    #584
    Freddie59
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    mgmt wrote: »
    You can say the exact same thing about Santa Claus.
    :rolleyes:


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    #585
    philologos
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    If God is unlimited why did he have to kill his own son for a sin that his own creation seems to have by default?

    What sin other than what they have done themselves is what I'd ask you?

    I don't believe He had to either, I believe that He did because it was the clearest way of demonstrating to mankind that He forgave them and that this forgiveness had a price.

    Oh yes, and you're forgetting that Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected.


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    #586
    Ghost Buster
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    philologos wrote: »
    partyatmygaff: Just ignore all references to Santa, FSM, and other such tripe. WE have no real comeback against these.



    FYP


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    #587
    Freddie59
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    If God is unlimited why did he have to kill his own son for a sin that his own creation seems to have by default?

    HE didn't.


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    #588
    Ghost Buster
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    philologos wrote: »
    What sin other than what they have done themselves is what I'd ask you? Ah like new born babies?
    That original sin thing is a neat trick.
    I don't believe He had to either, I believe that He did because it was the clearest way of demonstrating to mankind that He forgave them and that this forgiveness had a price.

    Oh yes, and you're forgetting that Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected.
    ...


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    #589
    philologos
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    philologos wrote: »
    partyatmygaff: Just ignore all references to Santa, FSM, and other such tripe. There is simply no reasonable comparison.


    Fixed your post quoting my post :pac:


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    #590
    Jethropool
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    philologos wrote: »
    What sin other than what they have done themselves is what I'd ask you?

    Original sin perhaps?


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    #591
    Seachmall
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    philologos wrote: »
    it was the clearest way of demonstrating to mankind that He forgave them and that this forgiveness had a price.

    Hardly the clearest way.


    Random question (probably not relevant, just curious on your opinion):
    Why do we have temptation?


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    #592
    Ghost Buster
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    philologos wrote: »
    Fixed your post quoting my post :pac:

    How about Thor?
    I heard thunder the other day. Proof!!!!


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    #593
    philologos
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    ...

    What am I supposed to believe in respect to "original sin" that you speak about?

    Personally I believe that Jesus died for the sins of the world, all of them that they themselves committed.


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    #594
    Ghost Buster
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    philologos wrote: »
    What am I supposed to believe in respect to "original sin" that you speak about?

    Personally I believe that Jesus died for the sins of the world, all of them that they themselves committed.

    Ah. So we have to take into account your own personal take on things now. This is getting complicated. There I was thinking that catholicism was cut and dried. Please let me know any of your other personal interpretations so we can proceed


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    #595
    partyatmygaff
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Ah. So we have to take into account your own personal take on things now. This is getting complicated. There I was thinking that catholicism was cut and dried. Please let me know any of your other personal interpretations so we can proceed
    Not all Christians agree with the Roman Catholic doctrine of original sin. I am not a Catholic and as far as I am aware neither is philologos.


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    #596
    philologos
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    Jethropool wrote: »
    Original sin perhaps?

    I would argue that man is inclined towards sin as a result of his free will. I wouldn't argue that man is guilty of the sin of anyone else.
    Seachmall wrote: »
    Hardly the clearest way.

    A good deal clearer than if He hadn't.
    Seachmall wrote: »
    Random question (probably not relevant, just curious on your opinion):
    Why do we have temptation?

    See what I've said to Jethropool above.
    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Ah. So we have to take into account your own personal take on things now. This is getting complicated. There I was thinking that catholicism was cut and dried. Please let me know any of your other personal interpretations so we can proceed

    Funnily enough, I'm not a Roman Catholic and I've told people this on numerous occasions. I'm a Christian who would fit broadly into the evangelical camp.


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    #597
    Jethropool
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    philologos wrote: »
    I would argue that man is inclined towards sin as a result of his free will.

    You think that man has an inclination towards sin simply because he is capable of it? That strikes me as a very joyless view of mankind, as well as an unacceptable generalisation.


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    #598
    smash
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    Back to the original topic... Everyone has their own meaning for life. If you want to waste it by worshipping something that you think is there, then do it. If you want your kids to be the same then teach them that way. But it's not the place of a school.


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    #599
    philologos
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    Jethropool wrote: »
    You think that man has an inclination towards sin simply because he is capable of it? That strikes me as a very joyless view of mankind, as well as an unacceptable generalisation.

    I believe mans heart is inclined towards evil. All you need to do is pick up the newspaper and see what screwed up stuff that people have done today. Honestly I can look back at my life and say that I've done some screwed up things, take stock of that and be accountable for it. Accountable to others, myself and ultimately to my Creator. I want to live as He wanted me to live.

    The good news is that I can because the Lord Jesus made a way for me to be able to. That's why I praise God. He has guided me and He has shown me the way that leads to life.


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    #600
    smash
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    philologos wrote: »
    That's why I praise God. He has guided me and He has shown me the way that leads to life.

    He has not guided you in the slightest, your upbringing guided you to believe in a misconception. It's a matter of circumstance, if you had been born in another country you would have a different god, different beliefs and a very different life. And you can't bring that back to your faith or your path that god has chosen... it's to do with the belief in a god that your parents/teachers/whoever believed in and passed on to you.


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    #601
    Knight who says Meh
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    philologos wrote: »
    I believe mans heart is inclined towards evil. All you need to do is pick up the bible and see what screwed up stuff that people have done today. Honestly I can look back at my life and say that I've done some screwed up things, take stock of that and be accountable for it. Accountable to others, myself and ultimately to my Creator. I want to live as He wanted me to live.

    The good news is that I can because the Lord Jesus made a way for me to be able to. That's why I praise God. He has guided me and He has shown me the way that leads to life.

    FYP. Shocking violent perverted book!


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