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Why do executions occur in pubs?

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  • 29-06-2011 12:14am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭


    Like the title suggests, another murder in Dublin occurred in a pub over the weekend. These seem to happen more often than not. My question is, why choose the packed atmosphere in a pub? Would it not be easier to wait till they go outside or get him outside his house or something? Would scoping out a pub or house for too long arouse suspicion so they just feel they have to do it as fast as possible?

    The idea of bursting into a packed pub and run the risk of someone trying to stop you (especially feeling brave with a few drinks on them) makes me think that it's a ridiculous idea. But sure, they get away with it so maybe not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Because the type of peope involved in gangland killings are invariably the type of layabout that spends most of their time in the boozer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..
    Hmmm...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Tags - 'Black Horse' - Wha?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Pints of Guinness have been 'murdered' in pubs for centuries


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Being Ireland the only places people go is bed, the shop and the pub.

    They dont want to shoot him in his bed cause the guy is likely to have is own array of firearms there!

    They wont shoot him as he goes to the shop cause they'd only have a 2 minute window as he buys 20 blue and a pint of milk to blow him away.

    So that only leaves the pub - and as its ireland he could be there for up to 20 hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Ya just hear about it more when it's a pub and especially when it happens in Dublin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,937 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Tags - 'Black Horse' - Wha?

    name of the pub where the young fla was shot last week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭✭muff03


    Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

    I've read this backwards and forwards and I still don't know what you are saying :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    because someone else in there is texting the gunman and telling him exactly where the soon to be dead guy is sitting??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Its a lot cooler in a pub. Shure isn't that how its done in de oul filums like?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    We are talking Dublin or Limerick pubs only, what do you expect ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    muff03 wrote: »
    I've read this backwards and forwards and I still don't know what you are saying :confused:

    My own theory is,in pub,more likely to be less on their guard and around friends,their reaction time could be slow down with drink consumed,and maybe going to the same haunts make an easy target.

    Sometimes these executions seem to take place when a "meeting" is held inside a car parked on a street.


  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Wetai


    More relaxed(less on guard), less space(maneuverability) to try and escape compared to on a street.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Easier to target somewhere there than in their homes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Full.Duck


    Because its the easiest way. Walk in, bang, walk out, gone!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Like the title suggests, another murder in Dublin occurred in a pub over the weekend. These seem to happen more often than not. My question is, why choose the packed atmosphere in a pub? Would it not be easier to wait till they go outside or get him outside his house or something? Would scoping out a pub or house for too long arouse suspicion so they just feel they have to do it as fast as possible?

    The idea of bursting into a packed pub and run the risk of someone trying to stop you (especially feeling brave with a few drinks on them) makes me think that it's a ridiculous idea. But sure, they get away with it so maybe not.

    If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons.

    1) Access to the pub - obviously it would have decent routes to and from, probably multiple options for where i would need to go after wards.

    2) You can very easily have an involved party in the pub having a few beers and waiting for them to show up. The person can watch and let you know the person is there, has just gone for a piss and ordered a pint and is unlikely to have moved during the time it takes me to get from my vehicle to the pub.

    3) They are in a pub, so they are feeling relaxed. Let them get a few drinks in so they are feeling even more relaxed. Add in that alcohol is a vasodilator and any non instantly fatal wounds will probably lead to them bleeding out a bit quicker.

    4) Any possible witnesses are drinking, so they can be shredded by my defense in court should I end up getting charged with it.

    5) Also on the defense front - it's far easier to explain why you were near a busy pub than near someone's gaff should you be seen and recognised.

    6) From a certain point of view, killing people in such a public manner would enforce a certain element of "**** you"idness to other criminals, the law and society at large. It basically states that you do what you like, when you like...because you can. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Forensics. Have you ever set foot in the establishment where the deceased was shot? Why yes, I was there last Tuesday and a fine public house it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Mr. Denton


    Tags - 'Black Horse' - Wha?

    More confusing the "Are You Being Served" stuff? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    Witnesses are more likely to duck and dive in a pub than give chase..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    Serious answer) Quite likely he has his own lads patrolling the street where he lives looking for anyone looking suspicious/hanging around. The gunman is just as likely to become the target.

    AH answer) No live music anymore. Gotta liven the place up somehow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I don't think they execute them literally inside the pub, I think most of the time it's outside.

    I can see how a pub would be a good place though. The person yer executing wouldn't be expecting it - relaxed atmosphere, surrounded by people, drinking away, socialising. You wouldn't really be expecting a lad to come at you with a gun in that situation. Also, doing it with other people around could act as a warning to others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    I saw a guy get shot in the head in a bar in Belfast about 10 years ago.

    Never saw a pub emptying so quickly before closing time in my life.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

    come again?


  • Registered Users Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    I don't think they execute them literally inside the pub, I think most of the time it's outside.

    No it happens inside the pub. Same thing happened a few years ago down the road in the Horse and Jockey. It's closed now.

    Logical Fallacy more or less summed it up in that post. I'd also add that everyone around the area knows who did it anyway but won't be talking so it doesn't really matter how many witnesses there are if they're locals. The main concern would be covering their tracks with forensics, alibis etc. And no I wasn't there. I wouldn't drink in that place if you paid me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons.

    1) Access to the pub - obviously it would have decent routes to and from, probably multiple options for where i would need to go after wards.

    2) You can very easily have an involved party in the pub having a few beers and waiting for them to show up. The person can watch and let you know the person is there, has just gone for a piss and ordered a pint and is unlikely to have moved during the time it takes me to get from my vehicle to the pub.

    3) They are in a pub, so they are feeling relaxed. Let them get a few drinks in so they are feeling even more relaxed. Add in that alcohol is a vasodilator and any non instantly fatal wounds will probably lead to them bleeding out a bit quicker.

    4) Any possible witnesses are drinking, so they can be shredded by my defense in court should I end up getting charged with it.

    5) Also on the defense front - it's far easier to explain why you were near a busy pub than near someone's gaff should you be seen and recognised.

    6) From a certain point of view, killing people in such a public manner would enforce a certain element of "**** you"idness to other criminals, the law and society at large. It basically states that you do what you like, when you like...because you can. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.

    You sound like you've done it before... :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    grenache wrote: »
    My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.

    How about "9-mil ville"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭chillywilly


    Well one for definite was based on opportunity. I think it was a pub on Cork Street in Dublin, around 2004/5. It could be O Neills pub, not sure to be honest. Anyway there was a guy in the pub(guy A) who saw another guy(guy B) that was wanted by some criminal. Guy A rang the criminal and told him guy B was there. So he saw the opportunity and went to the pub with one of his heavies and shot the guy dead. There was an RTE program about it a while ago.

    My mate happened to be in the pub at the time and the guy fled for the toilet but only made it as far as the door before he was killed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    cos they sell crisps


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