Why do executions occur in pubs?

actuallylike

Like the title suggests, another murder in Dublin occurred in a pub over the weekend. These seem to happen more often than not. My question is, why choose the packed atmosphere in a pub? Would it not be easier to wait till they go outside or get him outside his house or something? Would scoping out a pub or house for too long arouse suspicion so they just feel they have to do it as fast as possible?

The idea of bursting into a packed pub and run the risk of someone trying to stop you (especially feeling brave with a few drinks on them) makes me think that it's a ridiculous idea. But sure, they get away with it so maybe not.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

flahavaj

Because the type of peope involved in gangland killings are invariably the type of layabout that spends most of their time in the boozer.

El Weirdo

Cole Cool Junkyard wrote: »

Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

Hmmm...

flutterflye

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Where To

Pints of Guinness have been 'murdered' in pubs for centuries

Oranage2

Being Ireland the only places people go is bed, the shop and the pub.

They dont want to shoot him in his bed cause the guy is likely to have is own array of firearms there!

They wont shoot him as he goes to the shop cause they'd only have a 2 minute window as he buys 20 blue and a pint of milk to blow him away.

So that only leaves the pub - and as its ireland he could be there for up to 20 hours.

amacachi

Ya just hear about it more when it's a pub and especially when it happens in Dublin.

ballsymchugh

flutterflye wrote: »

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name of the pub where the young fla was shot last week.

muff03

Cole Cool Junkyard wrote: »

Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

I've read this backwards and forwards and I still don't know what you are saying

M three

because someone else in there is texting the gunman and telling him exactly where the soon to be dead guy is sitting??

DWCommuter

Its a lot cooler in a pub. Shure isn't that how its done in de oul filums like?

Sponge Bob

We are talking Dublin or Limerick pubs only, what do you expect ???

7sr2z3fely84g5

muff03 wrote: »

I've read this backwards and forwards and I still don't know what you are saying

My own theory is,in pub,more likely to be less on their guard and around friends,their reaction time could be slow down with drink consumed,and maybe going to the same haunts make an easy target.

Sometimes these executions seem to take place when a "meeting" is held inside a car parked on a street.

Wetai

More relaxed(less on guard), less space(maneuverability) to try and escape compared to on a street.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Easier to target somewhere there than in their homes.

Full.Duck

Because its the easiest way. Walk in, bang, walk out, gone!

Logical Fallacy

actuallylike wrote: »

Like the title suggests, another murder in Dublin occurred in a pub over the weekend. These seem to happen more often than not. My question is, why choose the packed atmosphere in a pub? Would it not be easier to wait till they go outside or get him outside his house or something? Would scoping out a pub or house for too long arouse suspicion so they just feel they have to do it as fast as possible?

The idea of bursting into a packed pub and run the risk of someone trying to stop you (especially feeling brave with a few drinks on them) makes me think that it's a ridiculous idea. But sure, they get away with it so maybe not.

If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons.

1) Access to the pub - obviously it would have decent routes to and from, probably multiple options for where i would need to go after wards.

2) You can very easily have an involved party in the pub having a few beers and waiting for them to show up. The person can watch and let you know the person is there, has just gone for a piss and ordered a pint and is unlikely to have moved during the time it takes me to get from my vehicle to the pub.

3) They are in a pub, so they are feeling relaxed. Let them get a few drinks in so they are feeling even more relaxed. Add in that alcohol is a vasodilator and any non instantly fatal wounds will probably lead to them bleeding out a bit quicker.

4) Any possible witnesses are drinking, so they can be shredded by my defense in court should I end up getting charged with it.

5) Also on the defense front - it's far easier to explain why you were near a busy pub than near someone's gaff should you be seen and recognised.

6) From a certain point of view, killing people in such a public manner would enforce a certain element of "**** you"idness to other criminals, the law and society at large. It basically states that you do what you like, when you like...because you can. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.

dasdog

Forensics. Have you ever set foot in the establishment where the deceased was shot? Why yes, I was there last Tuesday and a fine public house it is.

Mr. Denton

flutterflye wrote: »

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More confusing the "Are You Being Served" stuff?

7sr2z3fely84g5

Witnesses are more likely to duck and dive in a pub than give chase..

AskMyChocolate

Serious answer) Quite likely he has his own lads patrolling the street where he lives looking for anyone looking suspicious/hanging around. The gunman is just as likely to become the target.

AH answer) No live music anymore. Gotta liven the place up somehow.

Da Shins Kelly

I don't think they execute them literally inside the pub, I think most of the time it's outside.

I can see how a pub would be a good place though. The person yer executing wouldn't be expecting it - relaxed atmosphere, surrounded by people, drinking away, socialising. You wouldn't really be expecting a lad to come at you with a gun in that situation. Also, doing it with other people around could act as a warning to others.

starbelgrade

I saw a guy get shot in the head in a bar in Belfast about 10 years ago.

Never saw a pub emptying so quickly before closing time in my life.

refusetolose

Cole Cool Junkyard wrote: »

Most relaxed,drunk to turn around as quick,same could with cars,usually sitting for a meeting can be dangerous..

come again?

RussellTuring

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't think they execute them literally inside the pub, I think most of the time it's outside.

No it happens inside the pub. Same thing happened a few years ago down the road in the Horse and Jockey. It's closed now.

Logical Fallacy more or less summed it up in that post. I'd also add that everyone around the area knows who did it anyway but won't be talking so it doesn't really matter how many witnesses there are if they're locals. The main concern would be covering their tracks with forensics, alibis etc. And no I wasn't there. I wouldn't drink in that place if you paid me.

grenache

My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.

jd007

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons.

1) Access to the pub - obviously it would have decent routes to and from, probably multiple options for where i would need to go after wards.

2) You can very easily have an involved party in the pub having a few beers and waiting for them to show up. The person can watch and let you know the person is there, has just gone for a piss and ordered a pint and is unlikely to have moved during the time it takes me to get from my vehicle to the pub.

3) They are in a pub, so they are feeling relaxed. Let them get a few drinks in so they are feeling even more relaxed. Add in that alcohol is a vasodilator and any non instantly fatal wounds will probably lead to them bleeding out a bit quicker.

4) Any possible witnesses are drinking, so they can be shredded by my defense in court should I end up getting charged with it.

5) Also on the defense front - it's far easier to explain why you were near a busy pub than near someone's gaff should you be seen and recognised.

6) From a certain point of view, killing people in such a public manner would enforce a certain element of "**** you"idness to other criminals, the law and society at large. It basically states that you do what you like, when you like...because you can. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.

You sound like you've done it before... :pac:

RussellTuring

grenache wrote: »

My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.

How about "9-mil ville"?

chillywilly

Well one for definite was based on opportunity. I think it was a pub on Cork Street in Dublin, around 2004/5. It could be O Neills pub, not sure to be honest. Anyway there was a guy in the pub(guy A) who saw another guy(guy that was wanted by some criminal. Guy A rang the criminal and told him guy B was there. So he saw the opportunity and went to the pub with one of his heavies and shot the guy dead. There was an RTE program about it a while ago.

My mate happened to be in the pub at the time and the guy fled for the toilet but only made it as far as the door before he was killed.

BBDBB

cos they sell crisps

maninasia

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons.

1) Access to the pub - obviously it would have decent routes to and from, probably multiple options for where i would need to go after wards.

2) You can very easily have an involved party in the pub having a few beers and waiting for them to show up. The person can watch and let you know the person is there, has just gone for a piss and ordered a pint and is unlikely to have moved during the time it takes me to get from my vehicle to the pub.

3) They are in a pub, so they are feeling relaxed. Let them get a few drinks in so they are feeling even more relaxed. Add in that alcohol is a vasodilator and any non instantly fatal wounds will probably lead to them bleeding out a bit quicker.

4) Any possible witnesses are drinking, so they can be shredded by my defense in court should I end up getting charged with it.

5) Also on the defense front - it's far easier to explain why you were near a busy pub than near someone's gaff should you be seen and recognised.

6) From a certain point of view, killing people in such a public manner would enforce a certain element of "**** you"idness to other criminals, the law and society at large. It basically states that you do what you like, when you like...because you can. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.

It's only possible because of the the lack of guns in society and unarmed police force. I doubt it is a popular method in the US for example, easy to get trapped or erupt in a full on gunfight.

Dyr

I'd imagine if you read through garda witness statements it's because the patrons of an irish pub will always be in the jacks or looking at the telly for the duration of a gangland hit

"Was he shot? jaysus I did'nt notice a thing guard"

Ellis Dee

The victim is less likely to be moving in a pub, giving the assailants an easy target and plenty of time to take aim. :cool:

I disagree with the use of the word "executions" in the OP. As much as one might disagree with capital punishment, executions are at least legally sanctioned killings in some jurisdictions.:)

There is only one correct term for this kind of killing in Ireland: murder - and that's what we should call it.:rolleyes:

who the fug

grenache wrote: »

My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.

First heard Limerick called Stab City in 1982, and the Limerick Lady what told me, said it was called that when she was a child in the sixties.


So not a media conspiracy just what the natives call it .

Logical Fallacy

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

If i was going to kill someone in a manner that would send a message i'd probably do it in a pub for a couple of reasons............................. If i was a murderous criminal i could see the appeal in this.

If you were a murderous criminal you'd just hire a hitman or have one of your staff do it

daveyboy_1ie

I would imagine its something as easily explained as the following:

Hitman hirer
'I want Wacker wacked'

Hitman
'No worries, where and when?'

Hitman hirer
'him and his cronies go to X pub every night'

Hitman
'Sorted'

chillywilly

grenache wrote: »

My question is, when is Dublin going to rightfully earn the title of "Gun City"? It took two knife murders in a month for Limerick to earn the moniker of Stab City, yet there's an execution in Dublin every bloody week. God forbid the national media might actually pick on our capital city.

Eh Paul Williams et al are shytin on about the gangland murders in Dublin at every opportunity! The General wasn't actually a General, they are just names to whack on the front of the newspapers. Journalists these days must not have thought of a cool name for Dublin like "Gun City". Maybe you should send it to the Sunday Wertild, they might use it.

Dravokivich

People have habbits that are often repeated without actually thinking of doing them. Tend to leave for work around the same time, get home around the same time, take the same route in and out. Go out to the same pubs / shops around the same times. How they walk, sit at tables.

It's simply a matter of determining when is their most vulnerable timeframe. A Pub just seems to be a common place that's vulnerable for these.

Drav's top tip:
I've yer a scummer and heavily involved in criminal activity, do yerself a favor and don't go to the pub.

biko

Most people would think the killings are gang related but it's just one ex-alcoholic hitman roaming the country aimlessly killing strangers in pubs.

It could happen to anyone, anywhere...

Sunnyisland

One of the main reasons why that sort of people murder people in pubs is the fact that people are coming and going all night,also the unfortunate person will be seated & slightly relaxed,hence when or if you go into a kinda rough pub everyone looks at you & seeing what your at. Also as a lot of pubs are on main thoroughfares which can make good escape routes.

rednik

A lot of people get their shots in a pub.

Sunnyisland

biko wrote: »

Most people would think the killings are gang related but it's just one ex-alcoholic hitman roaming the country aimlessly killing strangers in pubs.

It could happen to anyone, anywhere...

Another reason to stop drinking, the dreaded AA hitman

seamus

maninasia wrote: »

It's only possible because of the the lack of guns in society and unarmed police force. I doubt it is a popular method in the US for example, easy to get trapped or erupt in a full on gunfight.

I actually don't think it's anything to do with that. I think it's because there's less of a bar culture in the US. If movies like Goodfellas and Friday have taught us anything, it's that gang members spend the bulk of their time drinking on the side of the street and/or driving around in their cars. Hence why they all get shot coming out of a building to their car, or while stopped at lights.

A bar in the US would likely be considered very exposed. But here, the scumbag is usually surrounded by criminal associates and so probably feels somewhat protected.

Zebra3

Do people in the bars cheer during the shootings?

Orando Broom

Zero chance of the guards being in the pub.

Certainly the pubs that are usually the sites of these shootings.

Is the Faussaugh House in Cabra the most hit?

Sunnyisland

Zebra3 wrote: »

Do people in the bars cheer during the shootings?

I wouldn't be thinking so, It would not be a good idea to be bringing attention to yourself when there is a person near you with a gun and what would anyone be cheering about, In most cases a human being has just been killed, not a pretty sight.

Banjaxed82

Regarding the shooting at the weekend. Didn't the hitman actually come into the bar an hour earlier brandishing a shotgun and a 9mm.

I drove by the pub about 30 minutes after the shooting and there was a huge crowd outside (patrons from the pub).

So this begs the question, why in your right mind would you continue to drink on in a pub where some nut has just made a Rambo style appearance?

Whether I was the target or not.....I would've been leggin it!

Sunnyisland

I presume most people did not think the gunmen would come back.

Orando Broom

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Regarding the shooting at the weekend. Didn't the hitman actually come into the bar an hour earlier brandishing a shotgun and a 9mm.

I drove by the pub about 30 minutes after the shooting and there was a huge crowd outside (patrons from the pub).

So this begs the question, why in your right mind would you continue to drink on in a pub where some nut has just made a Rambo style appearance?

Whether I was the target or not.....I would've been leggin it!

They know who's getting hit. These internecine turf wars are open secrets in the areas they occur. There's no cloak and dagger stuff about it. The lads went in looking for yer man, he wasn't there, they left patrons just carried on. I'd say the craic was good when the victim eventually turned up.

Banjaxed82

realies wrote: »

I presume most people did not think the gunmen would come back.

I don't care if he's not coming back. A guy just produced a gun in a pub. Why would you stay?!? The drink??......Sadly, that's probably the reason most people did stay.