First Time Tribe Encounter with Civilized Man [Real or Fake?]

tuxy

First Time Tribe Encounter with Civilized Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLvdm1JXsg

Right this video just went viral. And I have been talking to a friend who believes it to be real. He says the tribes reactions are far too real to be acted or faked.
Until recently this has only been shown on French TV or available to buy.
Because of this the most reliable info I found about it is from French sites.

Here is what I have found

http://www.rue89.com/2011/06/23/crainte-et-curiosite-premiere-rencontre-avec-des-hommes-blancs-210642

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4840/is-the-tribe-meets-white-man-for-the-first-time-video-fake

http://skyvington.blogspot.com/2011/06/human-contacts.html

So not the most reliable sources to back me up but that first link is a very popular French news site.

Here's also some more info from rolling stone magazine that suggests that Jean-Pierre Dutilleux the creator of the the video has a shady past. That involves the rock star sting :P http://www.rainforestfoundation.com/html/originalRStextinEnglish.htm

By the way this is the site the videos are sold from
http://www.jpdutilleux.com/
Can anyone find info that backs it up as authentic

opinion guy

The kids Kwashiorkor is real enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor

If it is real the white dude is an asshole. Meets Indians. First thing he does is show them firesticks and video cameras. I mean I was almost expecting him to produce some whisky, crack cocaine and guns

policarp

They have clothes which would mean the Spanish were there first.

aligator_am

Cool vid and have always liked the song at the start

Their reaction makes me think of how ancient man would have reacted if they'd met aliens or time travellers or something, and it's always nice to know that there's some folk in the world who don't spend their days worrying about the crap we have to

Chuck Stone

The 1st black guy has a pair of 1986 Liverpool shorts on him.

Anyone got the lyrics to that song?. Wanna learn it.

opinion guy

Have to say the music did my head in

mjcom4d

Think it could be fake

skelliser

These tribes do exist

here is one from a few months ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12360013

CoalBucket

Theyre all friends on Facebook now

tuxy

Yes true skelliser, the video you posted does look genuine and comes from creditable sources. I'm just sceptical of the video I posted, it just seams very staged.

ascanbe

Saw this years ago and asked myself the same question. Seems almost too perfect to be true, yet there are moments that seem too genuine to be fake.

Ficheall

Boobies at 10:24!

tuxy

Ficheall wrote: »

Boobies at 10:24!

It's fairly sad that people flagged the video for that

Seachmall

If it is real I think the mirror bit was pretty interesting. To them it must have just seemed like a portal or something as they've no understanding of light or reflection.

The handshaking was weird. Although it's possible they developed it on their own it's typically a western thing. And the fact that the white guy started to greet them by shaking their hand shows pure ignorance on his part, not something you'd expect from an anthropologist (assuming this guy is one).

Da Shins Kelly

I think it's real. I might have been staged insofar as the white guys might have gone looking for them, but I think the reactions of the tribal people look very genuine, especially the initial fear and their reactions to the mirror too.

Duckworth_Luas

Could be real. There's parts of the Papua New Guinea highlands that have yet to be explored by westerners.

The first time aerial photography was taken the surveyors were amazed to find large scale agriculture taking place.

New tribes have been encountered in PNG and have confirmed that things like laughing and counting for example are universal in humans.

Millicent

If that is real, is it not highly likely the tribe has now been exposed to illnesses it has no immunity to? I call shenanigans but if it is real, that guy is an idiot.

KeithAFC

Had many encounters like this myself.

Daroxtar

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Could be real. There's parts of the Papua New Guinea highlands that have yet to be explored by westerners.

The first time a aerial photography was taken the surveyors were amazed to find large scale agriculture taking place.

New tribes have been encountered in PNG and have confirmed that things like laughing and counting for example are universal in humans.

Incorrect, there's a tribe in the amazon basin, the Prahá, who have absolutely no concept of numbers. The closest they come to numbers is a word that means "Similar to" .
FTR, I'd say the footage is real, if its 1976 sure most people in Ireland hadn't seen a black person at that stage.

Daroxtar

Millicent wrote: »

If that is real, is it not highly likely the tribe has now been exposed to illnesses it has no immunity to? I call shenanigans but if it is real, that guy is an idiot.

Chances are that the tribe would have been exposed to illnesses by contact with other tribes who in turn had contact with westerners. The native north americans and meso/south americans were decimated across the whole of both continents in the space of a few years. By the time Pizarro, Cortez and any of the other conquistadors made it as far as the emperors their civilizations were on the point of collapse due to the plagues that had followed the initial contact a few years previously and had spread through inter tribal contact.
On the other hand , white man has been in PNG for 200 years. Its highly unlikely that the tribe would not have had some contact with other tribes who themselves would have been exposed either directly or indirectly to our pathogens.

Duckworth_Luas

Daroxtar wrote: »

Incorrect, there's a tribe in the amazon basin, the Prahá, who have absolutely no concept of numbers. The closest they come to numbers is a word that means "Similar to".

You're saying they don't have any concept of 1 and 2. Maybe so but I can't find any reference to them. I'll have to czech again later.

Millicent

Daroxtar wrote: »

Chances are that the tribe would have been exposed to illnesses by contact with other tribes who in turn had contact with westerners. The native north americans and meso/south americans were decimated across the whole of both continents in the space of a few years. By the time Pizarro, Cortez and any of the other conquistadors made it as far as the emperors their civilizations were on the point of collapse due to the plagues that had followed the initial contact a few years previously and had spread through inter tribal contact.
On the other hand , white man has been in PNG for 200 years. Its highly unlikely that the tribe would not have had some contact with other tribes who themselves would have been exposed either directly or indirectly to our pathogens.

Cheers for that. I had thought that was one of the reasons that other tribes had been aerially observed rather than interacted with.

Seachmall

Daroxtar wrote: »

Incorrect, there's a tribe in the amazon basin, the Prahá, who have absolutely no concept of numbers. The closest they come to numbers is a word that means "Similar to" .

Basic counting is apparently innate even without an understanding of words or numbers.

TheZohanS

Daroxtar wrote: »

Incorrect, there's a tribe in the amazon basin, the Prahá, who have absolutely no concept of numbers. The closest they come to numbers is a word that means "Similar to" .
FTR, I'd say the footage is real, if its 1976 sure most people in Ireland hadn't seen a black person at that stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcbH0V6Miw

AckwelFoley

Fake.

That video was shot in the field at the back of Willow park in athlone

WindSock

PNG is a massive mountainous tree covered island. I'd say there are many uncorrupted tribes for us to discover and name after ourselves.

sunflower27

Thanks for posting that - it was really incredible to watch and looks fairly real to me.

The mirror was fascinating. Imagine seeing yourself for the first time and being really disappointed

And was that rice he gave them to eat? I was wondering what the hitting of the head meant afterwards and I think I have worked it out.....






Bland.


Great vid

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Had many encounters like this myself.

Didnt know you were an intrepid explorer in your spare time keith!

sunflower27

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Didnt know you were an intrepid explorer in your spare time keith!

Yeah, makes me question if he is really called Keith at all

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Didnt know you were an intrepid explorer in your spare time keith!

lol

red menace

Can help but feel that tribe would be 1000 times better off if they were left alone

Seachmall

red menace wrote: »

Can help but feel that tribe would be 1000 times better off if they were left alone

What? You can't have a functional society without taxation and regulation, they're lucky we found them when we did otherwise they'll end up killing each other whilst high on drugs when they should be working 9-to-5s and going to church!

opinion guy

red menace wrote: »

Can help but feel that tribe would be 1000 times better off if they were left alone

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

tuxy

Someone uploaded the full original video to youtube



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNQo8GAqILM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvhVItiBFs&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjIrYwmTUc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyeq9-cJoJA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0XS4VlgJQ&feature=relmfu

Pace2008

policarp wrote: »

They have clothes which would mean the Spanish were there first.

I hope that's some sort of joke.

OutlawPete

There's people in Mullingar that have never seen civilized man ffs.

DexyDrain

People would have seen their reflection in still water, pots and puddles etc. The reaction is probably a nervousness over what the object/mirror may do rather than what it is doing.

I think the Wharfian Hypothesis is well and truly on its last legs, even non-verbal persons with autism have a rich conceptual mind that retains its distinct cognitive style even after language is acquired in many cases.

Personally I think it's either fake or misrepresented.

Duckworth_Luas

OutlawPete wrote: »

There's people in Mullingar that have never seen civilized man ffs.

When did these people move to Westmeath from Dublin?

Capt'n Midnight

Seachmall wrote: »

Basic counting is apparently innate even without an understanding of words or numbers.

Pigeons and other birds can count. And IIRC they are better than students at counting the number of objects shown in flash cards.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bird_intelligence

dubtom

opinion guy wrote: »

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

I call bull, can we assume that they have lived as that guy 'found' them for thousands of years and in that time overcame malnutrition and worse without any help from us Civilized folk. I'd hazard a guess that some nice whitey purchased their land for 6 bags of rice and a slab of beer and it's now a tesco car park or some other essential infrastructure that they can't live without.:rolleyes:

[Jackass]

I'm not sure how exactly the OP suggests that this could be faked, but finding and meeting tribes that are in such remote areas to have never experienced outside human contact before is very well documented on several occassions.

Soth America and Asia's vast dense landscape and rainforests mean that civilizations are perminantly cut off from society when ventured in too deep.

This is quite a famous image of a tribe that was discovered by satelite photo and a search plain went to photograph it (in Brazil I believe).

The tribesmen, unaware of what a plane is, tried to shoot it down with arrows.



There are also charity organisations out there to protect rainforest land that is home to tribes unconntacted by the developed world who are being found by loggers etc.

http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/isolatedperu

El_Dangeroso

opinion guy wrote: »

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

I doubt it's kwashikor, protein is plentiful in PNG, rare to find a protein deficiency in hunter gatherer tribes because they eat such a variety of protein sources such as insects and grubs.

It's probably parasites.

In any case contact with the western world doesn't usually work out well for these types of tribes, they usually suffer the ravages of communicable diseases that they haven't had prior exposure to before they experience any benefit like reduced childhood mortality.

Cathaoirleach

It's not fake. :rolleyes: Encounters like these are well documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

Here another recent one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fvTonR_gA

tuxy

[Jackass] wrote: »

I'm not sure how exactly the OP suggests that this could be faked

Cathaoirleach wrote: »

It's not fake. :rolleyes: Encounters like these are well documented.

Yes it's because of encounters like this being documented that French anthropologists believe this footage to be faked. Did you check out the links in my original post?

Sir Gallagher

Anybody interested in this or remembers the show; Mark and Olly:Living with the tribes should check out this documentary. It follows Bruce Parry who goes and lives with the Kombai tribe in PNG. It's as entertaining as it is fascinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDu0z_3NvI

Pompey Magnus

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Didnt know you were an intrepid explorer in your spare time keith!

To be fair he just said he had many encounters like this, he didn't actually specify whether he was the equivalent of the primitive native or the explorer and given the very tribal nature of parts of his community I am assuming he may fall into the former category :pac:.