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First Time Tribe Encounter with Civilized Man [Real or Fake?]

tuxy

First Time Tribe Encounter with Civilized Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLvdm1JXsg

Right this video just went viral. And I have been talking to a friend who believes it to be real. He says the tribes reactions are far too real to be acted or faked.
Until recently this has only been shown on French TV or available to buy.
Because of this the most reliable info I found about it is from French sites.

Here is what I have found

http://www.rue89.com/2011/06/23/crainte-et-curiosite-premiere-rencontre-avec-des-hommes-blancs-210642

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4840/is-the-tribe-meets-white-man-for-the-first-time-video-fake

http://skyvington.blogspot.com/2011/06/human-contacts.html

So not the most reliable sources to back me up but that first link is a very popular French news site.

Here's also some more info from rolling stone magazine that suggests that Jean-Pierre Dutilleux the creator of the the video has a shady past. That involves the rock star sting :P http://www.rainforestfoundation.com/html/originalRStextinEnglish.htm

By the way this is the site the videos are sold from
http://www.jpdutilleux.com/
Can anyone find info that backs it up as authentic

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Seachmall

red menace wrote: »

Can help but feel that tribe would be 1000 times better off if they were left alone

What? You can't have a functional society without taxation and regulation, they're lucky we found them when we did otherwise they'll end up killing each other whilst high on drugs when they should be working 9-to-5s and going to church!

opinion guy

red menace wrote: »

Can help but feel that tribe would be 1000 times better off if they were left alone

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

tuxy

Someone uploaded the full original video to youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNQo8GAqILM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvhVItiBFs&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjIrYwmTUc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyeq9-cJoJA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0XS4VlgJQ&feature=relmfu

Pace2008

policarp wrote: »

They have clothes which would mean the Spanish were there first.

I hope that's some sort of joke.

OutlawPete

There's people in Mullingar that have never seen civilized man ffs.

DexyDrain

People would have seen their reflection in still water, pots and puddles etc. The reaction is probably a nervousness over what the object/mirror may do rather than what it is doing.

I think the Wharfian Hypothesis is well and truly on its last legs, even non-verbal persons with autism have a rich conceptual mind that retains its distinct cognitive style even after language is acquired in many cases.

Personally I think it's either fake or misrepresented.

Duckworth_Luas

OutlawPete wrote: »

There's people in Mullingar that have never seen civilized man ffs.

When did these people move to Westmeath from Dublin?

Capt'n Midnight

Seachmall wrote: »

Basic counting is apparently innate even without an understanding of words or numbers.

Pigeons and other birds can count. And IIRC they are better than students at counting the number of objects shown in flash cards.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bird_intelligence

dubtom

opinion guy wrote: »

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

I call bull, can we assume that they have lived as that guy 'found' them for thousands of years and in that time overcame malnutrition and worse without any help from us Civilized folk. I'd hazard a guess that some nice whitey purchased their land for 6 bags of rice and a slab of beer and it's now a tesco car park or some other essential infrastructure that they can't live without.:rolleyes:

[Jackass]

I'm not sure how exactly the OP suggests that this could be faked, but finding and meeting tribes that are in such remote areas to have never experienced outside human contact before is very well documented on several occassions.

Soth America and Asia's vast dense landscape and rainforests mean that civilizations are perminantly cut off from society when ventured in too deep.

This is quite a famous image of a tribe that was discovered by satelite photo and a search plain went to photograph it (in Brazil I believe).

The tribesmen, unaware of what a plane is, tried to shoot it down with arrows.

There are also charity organisations out there to protect rainforest land that is home to tribes unconntacted by the developed world who are being found by loggers etc.

http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/isolatedperu

El_Dangeroso

opinion guy wrote: »

As I said earlier - the kids all have kwashiorkor - a malnutrition disease.

But I expect they are all happy in their malnourished subsistence existence:rolleyes:

I doubt it's kwashikor, protein is plentiful in PNG, rare to find a protein deficiency in hunter gatherer tribes because they eat such a variety of protein sources such as insects and grubs.

It's probably parasites.

In any case contact with the western world doesn't usually work out well for these types of tribes, they usually suffer the ravages of communicable diseases that they haven't had prior exposure to before they experience any benefit like reduced childhood mortality.

Cathaoirleach

It's not fake. :rolleyes: Encounters like these are well documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

Here another recent one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fvTonR_gA

tuxy

[Jackass] wrote: »

I'm not sure how exactly the OP suggests that this could be faked

Cathaoirleach wrote: »

It's not fake. :rolleyes: Encounters like these are well documented.

Yes it's because of encounters like this being documented that French anthropologists believe this footage to be faked. Did you check out the links in my original post?

Sir Gallagher

Anybody interested in this or remembers the show; Mark and Olly:Living with the tribes should check out this documentary. It follows Bruce Parry who goes and lives with the Kombai tribe in PNG. It's as entertaining as it is fascinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDu0z_3NvI

Pompey Magnus

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Didnt know you were an intrepid explorer in your spare time keith!

To be fair he just said he had many encounters like this, he didn't actually specify whether he was the equivalent of the primitive native or the explorer and given the very tribal nature of parts of his community I am assuming he may fall into the former category :pac:.